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- 07-06-2008, 08:06 PM #91DTCGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> Tell that to Battelle as you ask to go into their main facility.
>> Considering they do so much Homeland Security stuff and thus have
>> to meet DHS security metrics, I'll be that no one cares if you brought
>> in a camera phone. [snicker]
>
> Not true.
>
> You're not even allowed to bring your phone into Battelle, period.
> Leave it at the front desk, thank you very much.
Ummm...what I was alluding to was since DHS was involved, that would
imply a Katrinaesque lack of security.
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- 07-06-2008, 08:56 PM #92OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
In article <[email protected]>,
"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Oxy..... reading that total crap (above), one of two things are going
> on with you.
>
> #1 Either you actually believe what you post and are quite mentally ill
> (delusions of grandeur, etc like I've said before.) or...
I only post factual information, I don't include any bias, what else do
you want? Come on Ness, if you can't compete with the big boys like me
in posting to USENET, resorting to name calling isn't going to help.
> #2 You know this outrageous **** you post is just that - pure bull ****.
> Then, that makes you a troll - and an asshole for cross posting it everywhere.
Can you give an example? I only post helpful information so others can
learn. If you don't like it, ignore the info, it's that easy.
> So, what is it - a nutcase or an asshole
>
> (maybe both)??
>
> Whatever it is make no mistake - you provide no "facts' - never have (yet).
> You have burned no one - except yourself, many times now.
Can you give an example. I'm well known for getting right to the facts
without using candy coated language. Again, if you don't like it, there
is little I can do to help you further.
- 07-06-2008, 09:13 PM #93The BobGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Oxford <[email protected]> amazed us all with the following in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oxy..... reading that total crap (above), one of two things are
>> going
>> on with you.
>>
>> #1 Either you actually believe what you post and are quite mentally
>> ill (delusions of grandeur, etc like I've said before.) or...
>
> I only post factual information, I don't include any bias, what else
> do you want? Come on Ness, if you can't compete with the big boys like
> me in posting to USENET, resorting to name calling isn't going to
> help.
You have posted on many subjects you know nothing about. That is not
factual posting.
- 07-06-2008, 10:57 PM #94Ness-NetGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> I only post factual information, I don't include any bias, what else do
> you want? Come on Ness, if you can't compete with the big boys like me
> in posting to USENET, resorting to name calling isn't going to help.
Horse ****! Let's take this as an example:
"The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling."
There is ZERO "fact" in the above statement. It is 100% conjecture and
100% biased.
Which is typical of ALL you post. "Big boys" - my ass.
More like pre- pubescent fanBOY.
>
>> #2 You know this outrageous **** you post is just that - pure bull ****.
>> Then, that makes you a troll - and an asshole for cross posting it everywhere.
>
> Can you give an example? I only post helpful information so others can
> learn. If you don't like it, ignore the info, it's that easy.
>
> Can you give an example. I'm well known for getting right to the facts
> without using candy coated language. Again, if you don't like it, there
> is little I can do to help you further.
I gave an example above. Your past wifi blather missed the mark badly
as well. There are many more.
You are well known all right. But NOT for "getting anything right". Well
known for asinine fanBOY rants and wild predictions that have no
basis in fact whatsoever.
You bore me now - no more sport in poking at you further. It would
be cruel to keep letting you shoot yourself in the foot, over and over.
- 07-07-2008, 12:03 AM #95OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I only post factual information, I don't include any bias, what else do
> > you want? Come on Ness, if you can't compete with the big boys like me
> > in posting to USENET, resorting to name calling isn't going to help.
>
> Horse ****! Let's take this as an example:
>
> "The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
> centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
> starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling."
>
> There is ZERO "fact" in the above statement. It is 100% conjecture and
> 100% biased.
but I stated a fact which is true. have you looked at their stock ever
since Apple announced the 3G iPhone? They are seriously tanking since
their products aren't competitive to what Apple has announced.
http://snipurl.com/2uad9 [finance_yahoo_com]
no bias was involved, i just keep more current on companies that's all.
> Which is typical of ALL you post. "Big boys" - my ass.
> More like pre- pubescent fanBOY.
i best you each time, so you don't have anything to go on...
> >> #2 You know this outrageous **** you post is just that - pure bull ****.
> >> Then, that makes you a troll - and an asshole for cross posting it
> >> everywhere.
> >
> > Can you give an example? I only post helpful information so others can
> > learn. If you don't like it, ignore the info, it's that easy.
> >
> > Can you give an example. I'm well known for getting right to the facts
> > without using candy coated language. Again, if you don't like it, there
> > is little I can do to help you further.
>
> I gave an example above. Your past wifi blather missed the mark badly
> as well. There are many more.
the expanding sphere of free WiFi is growing very rapidly, that's an
established fact. I had around 9-13 wifi networks last year at this
time, now i have 23! the world is changing, but you don't want to see it.
> You are well known all right. But NOT for "getting anything right". Well
> known for asinine fanBOY rants and wild predictions that have no
> basis in fact whatsoever.
>
> You bore me now - no more sport in poking at you further. It would
> be cruel to keep letting you shoot yourself in the foot, over and over.
I've never been a fanboy, just a fact checker. Try and have a level head
like me, it will help you grow faster and start to catch up with my
knowledge base.
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- 07-07-2008, 05:51 AM #96LarryGuest
Re: 7 killed, scores injured as iPhone riots continue [Jul. 4th, 2008|10:22 am]
4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:001ea84a-8296-4c74-883b-
[email protected]:
> The death tally climbed to seven yesterday as the Canadian iPhone
> riots showed no signs of abating. Angry mobs upset at Rogers' proposed
> iPhone pricing and contract terms hurled PVRs and molotov cell phones
> at riot police outside of Rogers' headquarters.
>
>
The angry mobs aren't there about the FruitFone. Canadians have hated
Rogers for decades before the FruitFone was invented....(c;
- 07-07-2008, 05:58 AM #97LarryGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote in newsrmdncIedYDUP-
[email protected]:
> Horse ****! Let's take this as an example:
>
> "The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
> centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
> starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling."
>
>
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...h-rogers-over-
iphone-plan-pricing/
While researching this nonsense, I stumbled over this report of
interest....
- 07-07-2008, 08:32 AM #98OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Horse ****! Let's take this as an example:
> >
> > "The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
> > centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
> > starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too compelling."
> >
> >
>
> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...h-rogers-over-
> iphone-plan-pricing/
>
> While researching this nonsense, I stumbled over this report of
> interest....
yes, there is concern that collusion is going on with Rogers & Rimm to
try and slow the iPhone on their Canadian home turf.
I don't believe it, but it is a bit odd that iPhone plans are about
1/3rd more than USA rates.
43,000+ people are quite upset about it...
http://www.ruinediphone.com/
- 07-07-2008, 09:05 AM #99CarlGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Oxford wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEHNrqPkefI
>>>
>>> sure, apple wasn't in the greatest of health at the time, but they
>>> spent $400 million on a new OS 8 months prior to that keynote, so
>>> they weren't exactly poor either.
>>>
>>> learn the facts, before you post again.
>>>
>> It was an out-of-court settlement designed to save face. The chosen
>> rhetoric (ie. "patent disputes") was designed to save face. Their
>> computers were being sold to an ever declining market: they didn't
>> have businesses lined up; they didn't have schools lined up; they
>> didn't have hobbyists lined up. They had a small niche market
>> amongst artists and graphics designers.
>
> Incorrect, they were the No. 1 selling PC vendor 2 years prior. The
> PROBLEM was Michael Spindler. He began the clone program which allowed
> low quality Macs to enter the market, he also started the Performa
> program which produced identical machines, but with different
> marketing names. Couple that with poor inventory management to the
> tune of $718 million in over production and yes, you do get problems.
> So Steve Jobs brought Amelio onboard to clean up the mess for his
> return 16 months later. That's a known fact.
>
>> I only
>> knew one person who owned an Apple in the '90's and he used to spend
>> half his life defending its declining popularity by arguing
>> constantly about how much "better" it was than our PC's: probably
>> true, but irrelevant in light of the then belief of Apple's demise.
>
> Macs have always been better, nobody disputes that. But yes, Windows
> was starting to catch up with Apple, in another 4 years Windows would
> be on Par with a Mac.
>
>> No matter which part of that video you want to perseverate on, you
>> cannot dispute that Jobs speaks of restoring Apple "back to health".
>> You can gloss over that as much as you choose, but it is the most
>> telling phrase in the entire video.
>
> Back to "health", doesn't equate to "bankruptcy". If you catch the
> flu, does it mean you are "going bankrupt"? of course not.
>
> That was NEVER even in the cards for Apple. One of the best quotes was
> "Apple has suffered from many years of engineering mismanagement" -
> Steve Jobs.
>
> Which is not unlike what is happening to Microsoft right now. Is MS on
> the verge of "bankruptcy"? Nope... they are just "unhealthy", same
> with Apple in 1997.
>
>> By the way, can you substantiate your "factual" assertion that they
>> had "$1.1 billion in pure cash at the time"? Or do you just get to
>> say it as if it's a fact and then challenge me to "learn the facts"?
>> I dug up the video, having done at least a little DD before posting.
>> You? What have you done?
>
> Look it up, some claim it was $1.3 billion, but the records show $1.1.
>
> I know all PC history with encyclopedic accuracy, so there is never a
> need to question the facts.
>
> Learn from me, don't dispute, since I will burn you every time.
>
> -
I don't need to dispute with you. I have Charles on my debating team, who
seems to be doing an excellent job of wiping YOU up.
Charles, take it away... ;-)
- 07-07-2008, 09:07 AM #100CarlGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Ness-Net wrote:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:apony-6E6597.11565206072008@dialup-4.167.115.65.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net...
>>
>> I know all PC history with encyclopedic accuracy, so there is never a
>> need to question the facts.
>>
>> Learn from me, don't dispute, since I will burn you every time.
>>
>
>
>
> Oxy..... reading that total crap (above), one of two things are going
> on with you.
>
> #1 Either you actually believe what you post and are quite mentally
> ill (delusions of grandeur, etc like I've said before.) or...
>
> #2 You know this outrageous **** you post is just that - pure bull
> ****. Then, that makes you a troll - and an asshole for cross posting
> it everywhere.
> So, what is it - a nutcase or an asshole
>
> (maybe both)??
>
> Whatever it is make no mistake - you provide no "facts' - never have
> (yet). You have burned no one - except yourself, many times now.
>
Oops, Oxford, I have to add Ness-Net to my debating team. You're losing. And
I noticed you don't seem to have any teammates!
- 07-07-2008, 09:08 AM #101CarlGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Ness-Net wrote:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I only post factual information, I don't include any bias, what else
>> do you want? Come on Ness, if you can't compete with the big boys
>> like me in posting to USENET, resorting to name calling isn't going
>> to help.
>
> Horse ****! Let's take this as an example:
>
> "The Blackberry is fading quickly now that all the development is
> centered on the iPhone. They had a good 6 year run, but they are dead
> starting July 11th. The iPhone apps alone will be just too
> compelling."
> There is ZERO "fact" in the above statement. It is 100% conjecture and
> 100% biased.
>
> Which is typical of ALL you post. "Big boys" - my ass.
> More like pre- pubescent fanBOY.
>
>>
>>> #2 You know this outrageous **** you post is just that - pure bull
>>> ****. Then, that makes you a troll - and an asshole for cross
>>> posting it everywhere.
>>
>> Can you give an example? I only post helpful information so others
>> can learn. If you don't like it, ignore the info, it's that easy.
>>
>> Can you give an example. I'm well known for getting right to the
>> facts without using candy coated language. Again, if you don't like
>> it, there is little I can do to help you further.
>
> I gave an example above. Your past wifi blather missed the mark badly
> as well. There are many more.
>
> You are well known all right. But NOT for "getting anything right".
> Well known for asinine fanBOY rants and wild predictions that have no
> basis in fact whatsoever.
>
> You bore me now - no more sport in poking at you further. It would
> be cruel to keep letting you shoot yourself in the foot, over and
> over.
+1 for Ness. Good research.
- 07-07-2008, 09:21 AM #102CarlGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
Charles wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Carl
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> By the way, can you substantiate your "factual" assertion that they
>> had "$1.1 billion in pure cash at the time"? Or do you just get to
>> say it as if it's a fact and then challenge me to "learn the facts"?
>> I dug up the video, having done at least a little DD before posting.
>> You? What have you done?
>
> Here is a link to how much cash they had in 1997.
>
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...17/ai_19892880
>
> They did have a cash balance of $1.2 billion.
>
> However if the losses at the time had continued that would not have
> been enough, that is $150 million from Microsoft could not have made a
> difference. But the $150 million along with Microsoft's commitment to
> continue developing a Mac version of Office certainly helped from a
> psychologically perspective as part of Steve Jobs turnaround of Apple
> when he returned. Apple was certainly in big trouble in 1997.
>
Thank you for posting that link. But let's take a look at it more carefully.
One of the specifics in it states: "The company reported a net loss of $816
million for the fiscal year ended Sept. 27, 1996, and a net loss of $1.0
billion for fiscal 1997", which shows a pattern of increasing losses, which
would project to more than $1.0B in 1998.
Another important specific stated in the article: "cash balances were $1.2
billion as of September 1997. However, liquidity could be reduced by
expected near-term operating losses", strongly implying that the $1.2B cash
balance could be wiped out within the next year if losses had continued at
the same rate. So, when this report was written, in 1997, Apple was looking
at having a zero, or minus, cash balance by 1998.
Oxford could argue that Apple was not yet ready to be declaring "bankruptcy"
based on those numbers (many large companies survive worse cash-flow issues
for a time), but they certainly were in "trouble".
- 07-07-2008, 09:49 AM #103OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Whatever it is make no mistake - you provide no "facts' - never have
> > (yet). You have burned no one - except yourself, many times now.
> >
> Oops, Oxford, I have to add Ness-Net to my debating team. You're losing. And
> I noticed you don't seem to have any teammates!
I haven't lost a round yet, and having "teammates" simply means you have
a weak position. Just stay with the facts and you'll stay out of my way.
- 07-07-2008, 09:52 AM #104OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
In article <[email protected]>,
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Look it up, some claim it was $1.3 billion, but the records show $1.1.
> >
> > I know all PC history with encyclopedic accuracy, so there is never a
> > need to question the facts.
> >
> > Learn from me, don't dispute, since I will burn you every time.
> >
> > -
> I don't need to dispute with you. I have Charles on my debating team, who
> seems to be doing an excellent job of wiping YOU up.
>
> Charles, take it away... ;-)
charles tends to pull up information to confirm my facts. I said Apple
had $1.1 billion in cash during their darkest day, but it turned out to
be more, $1.2 love it...
- 07-07-2008, 10:09 AM #105OxfordGuest
Re: iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!
"Carl" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Here is a link to how much cash they had in 1997.
> >
> > http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...17/ai_19892880
> >
> > They did have a cash balance of $1.2 billion.
> >
> > However if the losses at the time had continued that would not have
> > been enough, that is $150 million from Microsoft could not have made a
> > difference. But the $150 million along with Microsoft's commitment to
> > continue developing a Mac version of Office certainly helped from a
> > psychologically perspective as part of Steve Jobs turnaround of Apple
> > when he returned. Apple was certainly in big trouble in 1997.
> >
> Thank you for posting that link. But let's take a look at it more carefully.
>
> One of the specifics in it states: "The company reported a net loss of $816
> million for the fiscal year ended Sept. 27, 1996, and a net loss of $1.0
> billion for fiscal 1997", which shows a pattern of increasing losses, which
> would project to more than $1.0B in 1998.
>
> Another important specific stated in the article: "cash balances were $1.2
> billion as of September 1997. However, liquidity could be reduced by
> expected near-term operating losses", strongly implying that the $1.2B cash
> balance could be wiped out within the next year if losses had continued at
> the same rate. So, when this report was written, in 1997, Apple was looking
> at having a zero, or minus, cash balance by 1998.
Wiggle, Wiggle... the fact remains, Apple had plenty of cash. The losses
were due to Amelio's diligent house cleaning so Steve could return later
in the year.
> Oxford could argue that Apple was not yet ready to be declaring "bankruptcy"
> based on those numbers (many large companies survive worse cash-flow issues
> for a time), but they certainly were in "trouble".
Yes, and I fully agree Apple was very poorly managed at the time.
Forecasts, Sales and Production was "way" out of sync, too many product
lines (newton, printers, cameras, scanners, emate, etc) but what the
"public" saw was a massive effort to "focus" and that's messy with such
a large company.
There was never any valid fear that Apple would "go under", but there
were concerns Apple would become a much smaller company... and for a
time Apple did shrink down to something like $7 billion in sales... but
today, they are a $30 billion company with around $19.1 billion in pure
cash... one of the wealthiest companies in the history of business.
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