First Reviews of the 3G iPhone!!

At 09 Jul 2008 20:35:42 -0700 SMS wrote:
> David Moyer wrote:
>
> > "It was a true hand-held computer..."
>
> Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a hand-
> held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.


To be fair, not every device classified as a "computer" can necessarily do
spreadsheets. In fact, I'm pretty sure my old Timex-Sinclair 1000 couldn't..
;-)

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Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> At 09 Jul 2008 20:35:42 -0700 SMS wrote:
>> David Moyer wrote:
>>
>> > "It was a true hand-held computer..."
>>
>> Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
>> hand- held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.
>
>
> To be fair, not every device classified as a "computer" can
> necessarily do spreadsheets. In fact, I'm pretty sure my old
> Timex-Sinclair 1000 couldn't..
> ;-)
>
>
>

http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/

I don't know how big you can make a spreadsheet on it, but it's huge...(c;

No, I don't know what all the functions do, either.....

http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnumeric/

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm no developer, so I could be all wet, but I assume the SDK has been
> designed to protect the device from illegal function calls, or direct
> hardware access, so perhaps as long as the SDK (and only the SDK) was used,
> the app will be "assumed certified" at least until proven otherwise.

the sdk has been designed to prevent access to certain things like
direct control of the cellular radio. however, one need not use much
of the sdk to write apps that won't be accepted, such as porn or hacker
apps (e.g., wifi password cracking).

someone at apple will have to install the application and see what
happens when it runs. even if it takes just a few minutes to do that,
it adds up. maybe apple thought it through, but it's not clear to me
how it can scale.

> eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement system-
> I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way
> there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a
> community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega, etc.
> would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be
> able to "earn" their status.

that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a
newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ?

In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > Edward Baig / USA Today
> > - "iPhone 3G: The Sequel, is worth the wait."
> > - Still no recording video, no stereo bluetooth or voice dialing
>
> I can't believe that they still have no voice dialing. Is there _any_
> other current cell phone model that doesn't have voice dialing?

i've never seen voice dialing work particularly well, but nevertheless,
at least one third party (and i think more than just one but i can't
remember whom) has announced voice dialing support.

<http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080707/0413246.html>

In article <%[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> David Moyer wrote:
>
> > "It was a true hand-held computer..."
>
> Huh? In reality it was a web pad/phone/MP3 player. It was _not_ a
> hand-held computer. You couldn't even do a spreadsheet on it.

the official description is:

The iPhone combines three products in one ‹ a revolutionary phone, a
widescreen iPod, and a breakthrough Internet device with rich HTML email
and a desktop-class web browser. i

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> > iBrate is already available on the iPhone and has been for awhile:
> >
>
> AHA! No POWER and SPEED controls! Gotcha!....(d^

this one does it even vibrates in rhythm to your music.

http://www.ohmibod.com/

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-CAB4CC.22182109072008
@news.qwest.net:

> this one does it even vibrates in rhythm to your music.
>
> http://www.ohmibod.com/
>
>

Cool!....(c;

Ever seen one of these?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10

Same feel....no *****ing, no begging, no headaches.

I don't know how she keeps from laughing so long.....(c;

It's the mobilephone version of one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGfaQCY_bo4

Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders....

The Bob <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> Golly gee, it's too bad that you can't buy a spare or extended
> >> battery on iPhone the way that you can on real cell phones.
> >
> > sure you can, any iPod or iPhone battery extender will work fine.
>
> Battery extender? I thought the iPhone battery kept a charge for weeks.
> At least that's what you were saying a year ago. Right about the same time
> you were preaching that wifi would be the 3g killers.

i never said "weeks", more lies from you... but it does work for about a
week with normal use.

> > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
> >
> > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
> >
> > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
> >
> > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
>
> Wow- my laptop would be easier and lighter to use than that amalgamation of
> electronic odds and ends. And it shoots the whole"form" argument all to
> hell.

and i agree it's not necessary, but just pointing out they are available
to Mark.

On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:57:38 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

>The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their perversion of Japanese


SO true! I've never heard others say it, but you are spot on
there.


>there's quite a grey market of them selling on eBay.

I get to Japan often, and have purchased phones for others. It
happens that I've been with Sprint for nine years, which has naturally
limited my options a good deal.



>You have to ask yourself -- what is it that you want besides Japanese
>capability? If you want a media player, go with iPhone.

I do not. I dislike MP3. My wife does, and she holds a slight
edge in the voting, don't ask me how.

One feature of the iPhone that does make a very positive
impression is the Safari mobile browser. I haven't yet seen a RIM or
Palm device with a useful browser. I must admit I haven't really
examined this aspect of the Windows Mobile platform, but I imagine it
would be strong as well.

You've given me a lot of great information and I appreciate it
very much!

DGI

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.thepocketsolution.com/PSI-35159.html
>
>
> ...and they said you can't tether an iPhone!
>
> > or there are now several iPhone specific battery packs like this one.
> >
> > http://www.mophie.com/products/juice-pack
>
> So much for thin... Now your iPhone can be as thick as my Tilt!
>
> > geeesh, you know nothing about what you speak.
>
> He was limiting the discussion to swappable, user replaceable batteries, I
> assume.
>
> No problem, though- as you've always said, the iPhone battery is certainly
> user replaceable- instead of the products you mentioned above, you could
> just carry this:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d.html?ie=UTF8&a=B000EM98KW

(smirk)

i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
first take-a-parts.

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Cool!....(c;
>
> Ever seen one of these?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Pfs6YAYeJ10

the end is near! wow.

> Same feel....no *****ing, no begging, no headaches.
>
> I don't know how she keeps from laughing so long.....(c;
>
> It's the mobilephone version of one of these:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGfaQCY_bo4
>
> Both factories looks like they have plenty of orders....

yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well,
configure to order a babe here:

http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd

At 09 Jul 2008 21:07:02 -0700 nospam wrote:

> > eBaty was probably a bad example since it's a simple paid placement
system-
> > I didn't mean so much "buying" into the front screen as working your way
> > there by quality or reputation- perhaps by number of downloads, or a
> > community feedback system. Giants/"partners" like Google, AOL, Sega,
etc.
> > would start with such "status" already granted, while newcomers would be
> > able to "earn" their status.
>
> that's what i mean about not being a level playing field. how is a
> newcomer going to compete against google, sega, etc. ?

Well, to be fair, why should someone deserve a level playing field vs.
Google when offering the world their first iPhone app? Why wouldn't the
app store mirror the rest of the marketing world?

Brewing a decent root beer in my garage doesn't automatically get me shelf
space right next to A&W at the local grocer!

Just being guaranteed ANY shelf space at the only official distribution
point for iPhone software gives small/beginning/amateur developers a leg up
compared to Palm, WinMo, etc. developers who need to find a distribution
method on their own.

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-F5E713.22573209072008
@news.qwest.net:

> yeah, the end is near... the realdoll people are still around as well,
> configure to order a babe here:
>
> http://www.realdoll.com/cgi-bin/snav.rd
>
>

It's unnatural to have a cooperative female in 2008.....(c;

David G. Imber <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 18:57:38 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The only thing worse than Microsoft's perversion of English is their
>>perversion of Japanese
>
>

The only thing worse than Micro$oft's perversion of Japanese is the
Japanese perversion of Engrish!....(c;

http://www.engrish.com/

Great fun when you're bored.

"Be Happy - Fock Lots!"

It was in the window of a store selling condoms and supplies, I kid you
not.....(c;

There's a whole chain of "Happy Drug Stores"!
.....and none of them are in Berkeley...(c;

David Moyer <[email protected]> wrote in news:davmoy-904180.22285409072008
@news.qwest.net:

> i see the new iphone has two small screws at the base, so this possibly
> will open more doors for battery options. we'll know friday with the
> first take-a-parts.
>
>

.....This to be followed by a special YouTube posting of "Will It Blend",
within 24 hours, I'm sure....(c;