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- 07-12-2008, 06:44 PM #16LarryGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
"Thurman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:
> You really show your lack of intelligence by asking someone to
> identify an internal chipset by looking at the case. That's like
> asking someone to identify the engine by a picture of a car. I
> supplied supercomputers to many of the eight fab factories in the late
> '80s. Your mindset is trapped in the 1960s.
>
I had the chipset wrong. The chip I identified incorporates the Marvell
400mw wifi transceiver and CSR Bluetooth transceiver, as noted on:
http://live.ifixit.com/images/6pp5MI...rIV1-large.jpg
....after the picture was annotated by other people, like myself, who
lack intellegence because we want to identify every internal chipset by
looking at the BOARD, not the case.
Other people, showing their lack of intelligence by asking someone to
identify an internal chipset, have identified the unit's GPS on picture:
http://live.ifixit.com/images/Xiuvbf...sDUm-large.jpg
as the Infineon PMB2525 "Hammerhead II" GPS-on-a-chip.
-------------------------------------------------------------
I'd like to set the record straight, with all the fanbois, on another
matter......
Look closely at:
http://live.ifixit.com/images/Xiuvbf...sDUm-large.jpg
and the list of manufacturers identified by this picture.
I keep hearing fanbois telling us how wonderful this gadget is because
Apple made it. I hope they'll have the decency to note that Apple did
NOT make the iPhone. Apple integrated technologies from a host of OTHER
companies, just like every other computer gadget company on the planet,
into a single unit they put their name on. NONE of the ICs identified,
so far, which is most all of them except a few support chips, was made
by Apple, Inc. Iphone is made of off-the-shelf parts and is not
something unique made especially for you in some Apple laboratory like a
fine watch.
It's just another device....just like my devices....and hardly worth
camping out overnight to buy. How silly it all is....
It's main processor is from Samsung, whos own new sellphones you fanbois
poopoo as old technology, when the latest iPhone's ARM processor is the
same one....only the software is different, making it do other things.
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- 07-12-2008, 06:47 PM #17LarryGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
Tim Smith <[email protected]> wrote in news:reply_in_group-
[email protected]:
> I took my TomTom on a cross country train trip, and if there was a road
> parallel to tracks within about 50 yards of the tracks, it would often
> put me in the middle of that road, rather than on the train tracks.
> When the road diverged sufficiently from the tracks, it would then jump
> my position to the tracks.
>
That would be very annoying. It's a sign they're trying to cover up for a
lack of accuracy.
- 07-12-2008, 07:19 PM #18LarryGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
"Thurman" <[email protected]> wrote in
news[email protected]:
> You really show your lack of intelligence by asking someone to
> identify an internal chipset by looking at the case. That's like
> asking someone to identify the engine by a picture of a car. I
> supplied supercomputers to many of the eight fab factories in the late
> '80s. Your mindset is trapped in the 1960s.
>
Here's an article from Jan 2007 on the 3G's tiny GPS receiver:
http://www.gpslodge.com/archives/009147.php
According to this article:
http://wirelessanalyst.blogspot.com/...-business.html
Hammerhead II was developed to give GSM phones the required E911 GPS
function. You'll probably find it in GSM phones since 2007.
"Infineon’s strategy seems to be to provide low-cost cellular platforms
whose gaps can be filled by other vendors. The 2G iPhone platform is a good
example. While its cellular ICs were from Infineon, the application
processor was from Samsung, WLAN from Marvell and Bluetooth from CSR. This
model will work fine as long as handset vendors are interested in picking
the best-in-class components based on cost and performance. If, on the
other hand, the trend drifts towards highly integrated single vendor
solutions, the handicaps in Infineon’s mobile portfolio will result in the
company losing its market share, potentially including iPhone designs 2009
and beyond. Infineon will not be in a position to compete with the likes of
Qualcomm, Broadcom and STM, all of whom have a complete portfolio to build
single-stop cellular platforms. "
- 07-12-2008, 10:00 PM #19LarryGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:120720081908390733%[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Sure would like to find out more information on that LBEE chip. The
>> internet engines find nothing with that number on it.....
>
> The GPS chip is Infineon's PMB 2525 Hammerhead II.
>
> http://www.techonline.com/product/un...9000013?pgno=1
>
Yeah, I see it. The spec sheet says it's for sellphones, not GPS
receivers. That must be why the video posted was wandering around in a
couple of the realtime videos on the blogs. The ATT video on YouTube was
edited so you couldn't see any time it went tits up as he was driving
along...otherwise they would have left the camera pointing constantly at
the phone...not little snippets of phone video driving straight mixed in
with pictures of the ATT bureaucrat driving the car. It was edited out.
- 07-12-2008, 10:45 PM #20Beer Drinking DogGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
Larry wrote:
> Tim Smith <[email protected]> wrote in news:reply_in_group-
> [email protected]:
>
>> I took my TomTom on a cross country train trip, and if there was a road
>> parallel to tracks within about 50 yards of the tracks, it would often
>> put me in the middle of that road, rather than on the train tracks.
>> When the road diverged sufficiently from the tracks, it would then jump
>> my position to the tracks.
>>
>
> That would be very annoying. It's a sign they're trying to cover up for a
> lack of accuracy.
>
TomTom is a device specifically geared to the automotive navigation
market. It's not a sign that they're trying to cover *anything* up, it's
just a sign that the programmers made a stupid assumption that anyone
using the device would be in a car on a road.
Boy, Larry, you're one paranoid bastard.
- 07-12-2008, 10:51 PM #21Beer Drinking DogGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
Larry wrote:
> "Thurman" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news[email protected]:
>
>> You really show your lack of intelligence by asking someone to
>> identify an internal chipset by looking at the case. That's like
>> asking someone to identify the engine by a picture of a car. I
>> supplied supercomputers to many of the eight fab factories in the late
>> '80s. Your mindset is trapped in the 1960s.
>>
>
> Here's an article from Jan 2007 on the 3G's tiny GPS receiver:
>
> http://www.gpslodge.com/archives/009147.php
>
> According to this article:
> http://wirelessanalyst.blogspot.com/...-business.html
> Hammerhead II was developed to give GSM phones the required E911 GPS
> function. You'll probably find it in GSM phones since 2007.
Funny that you'd be posting this Larry. Particularly funny given that
you were the one heralding only a couple days ago that the 3G iPhone had
NO GPS chip in it. In all caps, as I remember. Ironic that the
information on this chipset has been floating around on the web for a
year and a half when you originally claimed it didn't exist. And now
you're taking credit for sharing this wonderful info with us, when most
of us could care less what the hell you have to say. You rally about the
"fanbois", but you seem to be one yourself--only you're a fan not of
Apple but of yourself.
- 07-12-2008, 11:19 PM #22Todd AllcockGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
At 13 Jul 2008 04:00:26 +0000 Larry wrote:
> > The GPS chip is Infineon's PMB 2525 Hammerhead II.
> >
> > http://www.techonline.com/product/un...9000013?pgno=1
> >
>
> Yeah, I see it. The spec sheet says it's for sellphones, not GPS
> receivers.
It's spec sheet says it's designed for cellphones because of it's tiny size-
not because of any differences in performance. Car-navigation GPS
receivers typically have more room under the hood and can get by with
larger (cheaper) chips. Smaller is more expensive.
> That must be why the video posted was wandering around in a
> couple of the realtime videos on the blogs. The ATT video on YouTube was
> edited so you couldn't see any time it went tits up as he was driving
> along...otherwise they would have left the camera pointing constantly at
> the phone...not little snippets of phone video driving straight mixed in
> with pictures of the ATT bureaucrat driving the car. It was edited out.
Your conspiracy-theory thinking at work, huh? The Hammerhead chips seem to
get good reviews- a bit slower to first fix (less of an issue with
cellphones, given AGPS assist) but as accurate as Sirf III chips, and
(surprise!) TomTom, a respected GPS manufacturer, even uses them (the larger,
cheaper, Hammerhead I chips) in some of their dedicated car-nav units.
So, can we finally lay this iPhone GPS nonsense to rest? The iPhone 3G has
a perfectly adequate, "real" satellite-based GPS under the hood. Any
"problems" with it will stem from inadequate software (Google Maps only, so
far) or unit placement.
- 07-13-2008, 01:11 AM #23Dennis FergusonGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
On 2008-07-13, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charles <[email protected]> wrote in news:120720081908390733%[email protected]:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure would like to find out more information on that LBEE chip. The
>>> internet engines find nothing with that number on it.....
>>
>> The GPS chip is Infineon's PMB 2525 Hammerhead II.
>>
>> http://www.techonline.com/product/un...9000013?pgno=1
>>
>
> Yeah, I see it. The spec sheet says it's for sellphones, not GPS
> receivers.
No it doesn't, it says it is also for PDAs and "PNDs" (Personal
Navigation Devices), which covers just about everything. The reason
why they single out mobile phones for special mention is just because
the chip apparently knows what to do with standard UMTS/GSM and CDMA
assistance data when you have that available (note the 1 second TTFF),
though it doesn't rely on it.
> That must be why the video posted was wandering around in a
> couple of the realtime videos on the blogs. The ATT video on YouTube was
> edited so you couldn't see any time it went tits up as he was driving
> along...otherwise they would have left the camera pointing constantly at
> the phone...not little snippets of phone video driving straight mixed in
> with pictures of the ATT bureaucrat driving the car. It was edited out.
I think this is a different issue. Note the stuff about "Global Locate's
Host-based architecture" in the glossy for the chip. Part of the
GPS receiver is implemented as an application in the phone's central
processor, which runs Unix and isn't likely to be real proficient at
anything beyond the softest of real time requirements. They probably
still have some application tuning to do to make it really good at
this.
Dennis Ferguson
- 07-13-2008, 11:02 AM #24LarryGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
Dennis Ferguson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Part of the
> GPS receiver is implemented as an application in the phone's central
> processor, which runs Unix and isn't likely to be real proficient at
> anything beyond the softest of real time requirements.
It's fantastic! Watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYBjz3AU3Y
- 07-13-2008, 11:54 AM #25Mark CrispinGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Larry posted:
> Apple integrated technologies from a host of OTHER
> companies, just like every other computer gadget company on the planet,
> into a single unit they put their name on.
Not quite accurate.
Apple hired a company in India to do that work. Apple hasn't done much
hardware engineering themselves in many long years (not many fanboys know
that the Newton was just a rebranded Sharp Wizard).
In the not too distant future, the Indians will come out with cheaper and
better products under their own name, much as the Japanese, Koreans,
Chinese, etc. have done before them. Maybe they'll buy the Apple name to
use as a brand, the way LG owns the Zenith name.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
- 07-13-2008, 12:30 PM #26nospamGuest
Re: 3G iPhone GPS | Larry doesn't get it again
In article <[email protected]>,
Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Apple hired a company in India to do that work. Apple hasn't done much
> hardware engineering themselves in many long years (not many fanboys know
> that the Newton was just a rebranded Sharp Wizard).
nonsense. apple has done and continues to do a lot of hardware
engineering themselves. and although apple and sharp worked together,
the newton was not simply a rebranded sharp wizard. just where do
people come up with this crap?
> In the not too distant future, the Indians will come out with cheaper and
> better products under their own name, much as the Japanese, Koreans,
> Chinese, etc. have done before them. Maybe they'll buy the Apple name to
> use as a brand, the way LG owns the Zenith name.
not likely.
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