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  1. #1
    Moshe Goldfarb.
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    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > - "This would be a phone you would use as a prop in a comedy sketch about
    > bad Russian Cold War products."
    >
    > Yet the lienux liars here keep talking how it's going to be the next "iPhone
    > killer"
    >
    >
    > http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=73765
    >
    > <quote>
    > Two years ago I thought being the anti-iPhone was a compliment. Now, not so
    > much. From demonstrations I've seen online, the interface is embarrassing
    > awful, slow and, really, unusable. The keyboard on the NEO is so small you
    > have to use a stylus to type on it and, even then, the thick bezel on the
    > side of the screen makes hitting certain keys all but impossible even with a
    > sharp point.
    >
    > Physical buttons are placed in ergonomically awkward positions, the drop
    > down menus are slow and the screen scrolling is lethargic and unresponsive.
    > This would be a phone you would use as a prop in a comedy sketch about bad
    > Russian Cold War products.
    >
    > And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a huge fan of
    > the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a NEO instead of
    > an iPhone.
    > </quote>
    >
    >
    >



    And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?

    Please stop it, your killing me!
    My sides are splitting reading about this piker....

    Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably make
    phone calls.

    Amazing...

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/



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  2. #2
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:12:26 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

    > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    >> - "This would be a phone you would use as a prop in a comedy sketch
    >> about bad Russian Cold War products."
    >>
    >> Yet the lienux liars here keep talking how it's going to be the next
    >> "iPhone killer"
    >>
    >>
    >> http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=73765
    >>
    >> <quote>
    >> Two years ago I thought being the anti-iPhone was a compliment. Now,
    >> not so much. From demonstrations I've seen online, the interface is
    >> embarrassing awful, slow and, really, unusable. The keyboard on the NEO
    >> is so small you have to use a stylus to type on it and, even then, the
    >> thick bezel on the side of the screen makes hitting certain keys all
    >> but impossible even with a sharp point.
    >>
    >> Physical buttons are placed in ergonomically awkward positions, the
    >> drop down menus are slow and the screen scrolling is lethargic and
    >> unresponsive. This would be a phone you would use as a prop in a comedy
    >> sketch about bad Russian Cold War products.
    >>
    >> And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a huge
    >> fan of the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a
    >> NEO instead of an iPhone.
    >> </quote>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?
    >
    > Please stop it, your killing me!
    > My sides are splitting reading about this piker....
    >
    > Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably make
    > phone calls.
    >
    > Amazing...


    How can someone enjoy looking as stupid and dishonest as you?



    --
    Rick



  3. #3
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic andunresponsive"

    At 30 Jul 2008 11:12:26 -0400 Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:


    > > And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a huge

    fan of
    > > the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a NEO

    instead of
    > > an iPhone.
    > > </quote>
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    > And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?



    Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since LONG
    before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously the
    iPhone as in devlopment prior to that point, but the public knew nothing
    about it, so no product was trying to "kill" it yet!)

    Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.


    > Please stop it, your killing me!
    > My sides are splitting reading about this piker....
    >
    > Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably make
    > phone calls.
    >
    > Amazing...



    Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning amateurs
    actually design a phone from ground up. Symbian, Windows Mobile and
    Apple's iPhone all have their own issues, and they're designed and
    programmed by commercial professionals. What's _their_ excuse?

    OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending on
    how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    competitive hardware with it.






  4. #4
    thufir
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:08:01 -0400, Todd Allcock wrote:


    > OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    > on how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    > competitive hardware with it.
    >



    Bingo. I would say it's probably a hardware problem, given that OpenMoko
    precedes the iPhone.


    -Thufir



  5. #5
    Ezekiel
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic and unresponsive"


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > At 30 Jul 2008 11:12:26 -0400 Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    >
    >> > And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a huge

    > fan of
    >> > the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a NEO

    > instead of
    >> > an iPhone.
    >> > </quote>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >> And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?

    >
    >
    > Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since
    > LONG
    > before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously
    > the


    So they've been working on this /longer/ than the iPhone. It's amazing that
    it took so long to create so little


    > iPhone as in devlopment prior to that point, but the public knew nothing
    > about it, so no product was trying to "kill" it yet!)


    Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    linux is the next "iPhone killer"


    - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer
    Deeda Pi Phone really is an [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....896b9c9c?hl=en


    - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer'
    We have known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source
    phone..."
    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....2a5995f7?hl=en



    > Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    > "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.


    Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a viable
    commercial product.

    http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...sed-consumer-e...

    "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne
    Gizmodo reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available
    this spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    next week."


    >> Please stop it, your killing me!
    >> My sides are splitting reading about this piker....
    >>
    >> Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably make
    >> phone calls.
    >>
    >> Amazing...

    >
    >
    > Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning
    > amateurs actually design a phone from ground up.


    Good for them for doing so. But anyone who thinks that this is going to be
    some sort of "iPhone killer" is an idiot.


    > Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    > and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals.
    > What's _their_ excuse?


    No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.


    > OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    > on
    > how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    > competitive hardware with it.


    Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving and
    there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped under
    performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a phone that
    works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that comes with a bunch
    of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if their cell phone is "open"
    or not.


    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **



  6. #6
    thufir
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    >>> And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?

    >>
    >>
    >> Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since
    >> LONG
    >> before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously
    >> the

    >
    > So they've been working on this /longer/ than the iPhone. It's amazing
    > that it took so long to create so little



    Budget.


    -Thufir



  7. #7
    Todd Allcock
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic andunresponsive"

    At 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400 Ezekiel wrote:

    > > Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since
    > > LONG
    > > before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously
    > > the

    >
    > So they've been working on this /longer/ than the iPhone. It's amazing

    that
    > it took so long to create so little



    Agreed, but i's a community effort- not a commercial project.

    > > iPhone as in devlopment prior to that point, but the public knew nothing
    > > about it, so no product was trying to "kill" it yet!)

    >
    > Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    > linux is the next "iPhone killer"



    It doesn't matter what fanboys on either side of the aisle think- it's not,
    nor was it ever intended to be- an "iPhone killer", anymore than a Ford
    Model T could be a Prius killer- OpenMoko predates the iPhone.

    > - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer
    > Deeda Pi Phone really is an [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    >

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....5ff1896b9c9c?h
    l=en
    >
    >
    > - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer'
    > We have known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source
    > phone..."
    >

    http://groups.google.com/group/comp....f79c2a5995f7?h
    l=en

    I'll leave the relgious war to you guys.


    > > Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    > > "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.

    >
    > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a

    viable
    > commercial product.
    >
    > http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...sed-consumer-e...
    >
    > "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne
    > Gizmodo reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available
    > this spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    > next week."


    A $400 non-3G tri-band phone? Who but a Linux devotee, developer or
    hobbyist will buy it?


    > > Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    > > and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals.
    > > What's _their_ excuse?

    >
    > No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    > *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.



    I'm not complaining at all- I'm a long time, happy Windows Mobile user, and
    have used Symbian devices in the past. I'm just saying no platform is ug
    free. Mobile phones users in glass houses... ;-)

    > > OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    > > on
    > > how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    > > competitive hardware with it.

    >
    > Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving and
    > there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped under
    > performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a phone that
    > works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that comes with a

    bunch
    > of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if their cell phone is "open"
    > or not.



    True- but that doesn't mean there isn't room in the marketplace for it for
    those that DO care.







  8. #8
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> At 30 Jul 2008 11:12:26 -0400 Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    >>
    >>> > And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a
    >>> > huge

    >> fan of
    >>> > the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a NEO

    >> instead of
    >>> > an iPhone.
    >>> > </quote>
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>> And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?

    >>
    >>
    >> Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since
    >> LONG
    >> before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously
    >> the

    >
    > So they've been working on this /longer/ than the iPhone. It's amazing
    > that it took so long to create so little
    >
    >
    >> iPhone as in devlopment prior to that point, but the public knew
    >> nothing about it, so no product was trying to "kill" it yet!)

    >
    > Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    > linux is the next "iPhone killer"


    The retards in COLA? That would be you.

    >
    >
    > - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer Deeda Pi Phone really is an
    > [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.....advocacy/msg/

    e3d65ff1896b9c9c?hl=en
    >
    >
    > - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer' We have
    > known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source phone..."
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/

    msg/9214f79c2a5995f7?hl=en
    >
    >
    >
    >> Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    >> "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.

    >
    > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    > viable commercial product.


    <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner>
    The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.

    >
    > http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...sed-consumer-e...
    >
    > "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne Gizmodo
    > reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available this
    > spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    > next week."


    anotherugly.wordpress.com speaks for OpenMoko?


    <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner>
    The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.

    >
    >
    >>> Please stop it, your killing me!
    >>> My sides are splitting reading about this piker....
    >>>
    >>> Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably
    >>> make phone calls.
    >>>
    >>> Amazing...

    >>
    >>
    >> Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning amateurs
    >> actually design a phone from ground up.

    >
    > Good for them for doing so. But anyone who thinks that this is going to
    > be some sort of "iPhone killer" is an idiot.


    How do you know? It has been released for the consumer market yet.

    >
    >
    >> Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    >> and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals. What's
    >> _their_ excuse?

    >
    > No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    > *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.
    >
    >
    >> OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    >> on
    >> how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    >> competitive hardware with it.

    >
    > Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving and
    > there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped under
    > performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a phone that
    > works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that comes with a
    > bunch of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if their cell phone is
    > "open" or not.


    Developers might. And that's the target audience right now.

    >
    >
    > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **






    --
    Rick



  9. #9
    Moshe Goldfarb.
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> At 30 Jul 2008 11:12:26 -0400 Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
    >>> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:22:22 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    >>
    >>> > And, unfortunately, for me it is a good example of why I'm not a huge

    >> fan of
    >>> > the open source movement. Very often, this is what you get: a NEO

    >> instead of
    >>> > an iPhone.
    >>> > </quote>
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> And this is supposed to be the iPhone killer?

    >>
    >>
    >> Actually, no, it's not. For starters, it's been in development since
    >> LONG
    >> before Jobs dazzled us all in January '07 with his keynote. (Obviously
    >> the

    >
    > So they've been working on this /longer/ than the iPhone. It's amazing that
    > it took so long to create so little
    >
    >
    >> iPhone as in devlopment prior to that point, but the public knew nothing
    >> about it, so no product was trying to "kill" it yet!)

    >
    > Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    > linux is the next "iPhone killer"
    >
    >
    > - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer
    > Deeda Pi Phone really is an [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....896b9c9c?hl=en
    >
    >
    > - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer'
    > We have known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source
    > phone..."
    > http://groups.google.com/group/comp....2a5995f7?hl=en
    >
    >
    >
    >> Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    >> "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.

    >
    > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a viable
    > commercial product.
    >
    > http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...sed-consumer-e...
    >
    > "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne
    > Gizmodo reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available
    > this spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    > next week."
    >
    >
    >>> Please stop it, your killing me!
    >>> My sides are splitting reading about this piker....
    >>>
    >>> Only in the Linux world can they design a phone that can't reliably make
    >>> phone calls.
    >>>
    >>> Amazing...

    >>
    >>
    >> Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning
    >> amateurs actually design a phone from ground up.

    >
    > Good for them for doing so. But anyone who thinks that this is going to be
    > some sort of "iPhone killer" is an idiot.
    >
    >
    >> Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    >> and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals.
    >> What's _their_ excuse?

    >
    > No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    > *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.
    >
    >
    >> OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    >> on
    >> how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    >> competitive hardware with it.

    >
    > Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving and
    > there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped under
    > performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a phone that
    > works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that comes with a bunch
    > of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if their cell phone is "open"
    > or not.
    >


    That's exactly the point.
    It's not the phone, or the development process it's the bozo's in COLA who
    make all kinds of way out statements which are nothing more than figments
    of their imagination.

    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/



  10. #10
    Hadron
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic and unresponsive"

    Tim Smith <[email protected]> writes:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >> > viable commercial product.

    >>
    >> <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner>
    >> The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    >> The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    >> developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.

    >
    > That's nice. That wiki is the fifth hit on Google for OpenMoko. The
    > first is openmoko.com, so that is far more likely where an interested
    > consumer would end up.
    >
    > Nothing on the front page there about it not being ready for the general
    > consumer. There is a slogan, "Unleash Yourself", and there are links at
    > the bottom to three press stories on it and one blog story. Two of
    > those press stories are at organizations a consumer would know about
    > (The New York Times and ABC News). Neither of those stories mentions it
    > isn't for consumers.
    >
    > If you click the link to buy it, and choose to buy from their store, I
    > don't see anything saying it is not a consumer phone.
    >
    > Maybe if it isn't a consumer phone yet, they should mention that in the
    > mainstream path a consumer would travel on their site.


    Maybe it "works for Rick"? Or Ray knows hundreds of people using one
    quite happily? Maybe Kelsey helped design it now he realises that lots
    of memory on such a device is not for phone numbers! I wouldnt be
    surprised if Willy Poaster has been using one for 10 years without
    issue, the 64 bit one to be released next year "just works" for
    Koehlmann and that Gregory Shearman designed the UI to suck on purpose in
    case it attracted the "wrong kind of user".



  11. #11
    Moshe Goldfarb.
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:05 +0200, Hadron wrote:

    > Tim Smith <[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >>> > viable commercial product.
    >>>
    >>> <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner>
    >>> The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    >>> The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    >>> developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.

    >>
    >> That's nice. That wiki is the fifth hit on Google for OpenMoko. The
    >> first is openmoko.com, so that is far more likely where an interested
    >> consumer would end up.
    >>
    >> Nothing on the front page there about it not being ready for the general
    >> consumer. There is a slogan, "Unleash Yourself", and there are links at
    >> the bottom to three press stories on it and one blog story. Two of
    >> those press stories are at organizations a consumer would know about
    >> (The New York Times and ABC News). Neither of those stories mentions it
    >> isn't for consumers.
    >>
    >> If you click the link to buy it, and choose to buy from their store, I
    >> don't see anything saying it is not a consumer phone.
    >>
    >> Maybe if it isn't a consumer phone yet, they should mention that in the
    >> mainstream path a consumer would travel on their site.

    >
    > Maybe it "works for Rick"? Or Ray knows hundreds of people using one
    > quite happily? Maybe Kelsey helped design it now he realises that lots
    > of memory on such a device is not for phone numbers! I wouldnt be
    > surprised if Willy Poaster has been using one for 10 years without
    > issue, the 64 bit one to be released next year "just works" for
    > Koehlmann and that Gregory Shearman designed the UI to suck on purpose in
    > case it attracted the "wrong kind of user".


    You can tell alot about the so called Linux *advocates* in this group by
    observing the way they react when a total piker like this Open Moko is
    released.

    It's obvious to anyone except a total retard that the thing is just not
    ready for prime time and to call it an "iPhone killer", like the Linux
    loons in COLA have been doing is ludicrous.

    It's clear as day that some of these people in COLA are rabid zealots and
    they will defend *anything* open source or Linux, no matter how terrible or
    defective it happens to be.

    It's really sad when jokers like Roy Schestowitz shill a device like the
    OpenMoko because somewhere, somehow a person is going to read the tripe and
    lies they post and go out and waste their money on this piece of junk.

    The net result is going to be one pissed off person and worse, a person who
    will be cautious at trying Linux/OSS in the future. because they don't want
    to get burned again.

    The point is the Google seeding, which is what idiots like Schestowitz are
    up to, is just creating a backlash.
    --
    Moshe Goldfarb
    Collector of soaps from around the globe.
    Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
    http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/



  12. #12
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:35:05 -0700, Tim Smith wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >> > viable commercial product.

    >>
    >> <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner> The FreeRunner can be
    >> purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008. The software
    >> available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and developers
    >> only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.

    >
    > That's nice. That wiki is the fifth hit on Google for OpenMoko. The
    > first is openmoko.com, so that is far more likely where an interested
    > consumer would end up.
    >
    > Nothing on the front page there about it not being ready for the general
    > consumer. There is a slogan, "Unleash Yourself", and there are links at
    > the bottom to three press stories on it and one blog story. Two of
    > those press stories are at organizations a consumer would know about
    > (The New York Times and ABC News). Neither of those stories mentions it
    > isn't for consumers.
    >
    > If you click the link to buy it, and choose to buy from their store, I
    > don't see anything saying it is not a consumer phone.
    >
    > Maybe if it isn't a consumer phone yet, they should mention that in the
    > mainstream path a consumer would travel on their site.


    Maybe, when it is a target to consumers, they will mention it.



    --
    Rick



  13. #13
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:04:24 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

    > On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:54:05 +0200, Hadron wrote:
    >
    >> Tim Smith <[email protected]> writes:
    >>
    >>> In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> > Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >>>> > viable commercial product.
    >>>>
    >>>> <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner> The FreeRunner can be
    >>>> purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008. The software
    >>>> available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    >>>> developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.
    >>>
    >>> That's nice. That wiki is the fifth hit on Google for OpenMoko. The
    >>> first is openmoko.com, so that is far more likely where an interested
    >>> consumer would end up.
    >>>
    >>> Nothing on the front page there about it not being ready for the
    >>> general consumer. There is a slogan, "Unleash Yourself", and there
    >>> are links at the bottom to three press stories on it and one blog
    >>> story. Two of those press stories are at organizations a consumer
    >>> would know about (The New York Times and ABC News). Neither of those
    >>> stories mentions it isn't for consumers.
    >>>
    >>> If you click the link to buy it, and choose to buy from their store, I
    >>> don't see anything saying it is not a consumer phone.
    >>>
    >>> Maybe if it isn't a consumer phone yet, they should mention that in
    >>> the mainstream path a consumer would travel on their site.

    >>
    >> Maybe it "works for Rick"? Or Ray knows hundreds of people using one
    >> quite happily? Maybe Kelsey helped design it now he realises that lots
    >> of memory on such a device is not for phone numbers! I wouldnt be
    >> surprised if Willy Poaster has been using one for 10 years without
    >> issue, the 64 bit one to be released next year "just works" for
    >> Koehlmann and that Gregory Shearman designed the UI to suck on purpose
    >> in case it attracted the "wrong kind of user".

    >
    > You can tell alot about the so called Linux *advocates* in this group by
    > observing the way they react when a total piker like this Open Moko is
    > released.


    You insist on flaunting your stupidity. Why?

    >
    > It's obvious to anyone except a total retard that the thing is just not
    > ready for prime time and to call it an "iPhone killer", like the Linux
    > loons in COLA have been doing is ludicrous.


    You mean like OpenMoko has said "The FreeRunner can be purchased from the
    Online Store as of July 3, 2008. The software available on the phone
    makes it suitable for power users and developers only, it is not ready
    for the general consumer yet."

    >
    > It's clear as day that some of these people in COLA are rabid zealots
    > and they will defend *anything* open source or Linux, no matter how
    > terrible or defective it happens to be.
    >
    > It's really sad when jokers like Roy Schestowitz shill a device like the
    > OpenMoko because somewhere, somehow a person is going to read the tripe
    > and lies they post and go out and waste their money on this piece of
    > junk.
    >
    > The net result is going to be one pissed off person and worse, a person
    > who will be cautious at trying Linux/OSS in the future. because they
    > don't want to get burned again.
    >
    > The point is the Google seeding, which is what idiots like Schestowitz
    > are up to, is just creating a backlash.



    The reality is you are bad mouthing a product you obviously know nothing
    about.


    --
    Rick



  14. #14
    Ezekiel
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable, lethargic and unresponsive"


    "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    >> linux is the next "iPhone killer"

    >
    > The retards in COLA? That would be you.


    No. It would be the retards (see links below) that proclaim every
    "Linux-based" device as being the next category killer.

    >>
    >> - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer Deeda Pi Phone really is an
    >> [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.....advocacy/msg/

    > e3d65ff1896b9c9c?hl=en
    >>
    >>
    >> - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer' We have
    >> known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source phone..."
    >> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/

    > msg/9214f79c2a5995f7?hl=en
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's a
    >>> "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.

    >>
    >> Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >> viable commercial product.

    >
    > <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner>
    > The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    > The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    > developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.
    >
    >>
    >> http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...sed-consumer-e...
    >>
    >> "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne Gizmodo
    >> reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available this
    >> spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    >> next week."

    >
    > anotherugly.wordpress.com speaks for OpenMoko?



    You really are dumber than a rock. You complain about some web-site not
    speaking for OpenMoko. Yet your "proof" that it isn't a commercial ready
    device consists of posting a link to information week.

    <quote from Rick>


    <http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/07/when_is_a_phone.html>

    "The traction in key markets matters, and it's traction in the developer
    market, traction in the education market, traction in vertical markets
    that you could never have imagined." This includes, for instance,
    creating a variety of the unit for archaeologists as an in-the-field data
    collector.
    </quote>

    So you don't think that other websites are allowed to speak for OpenMoko but
    your proof is some other website that magically does speak for them. An
    no... just because some other website (InfoWeek) says that it has traction
    with developers is NOT the same thing as admitting that it is not a consumer
    device.



    >>> Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning amateurs
    >>> actually design a phone from ground up.

    >>
    >> Good for them for doing so. But anyone who thinks that this is going to
    >> be some sort of "iPhone killer" is an idiot.

    >
    > How do you know? It has been released for the consumer market yet.


    Then OPENMOKO (and not a indirect mention in InfoWeek) should clearly state
    this on their website and their press releases. Instead OpenMoko talks about
    "freeing your phone" and makes absolutely zero mention on their site or
    their press releases that the phone is NOT ready.


    >>
    >>> Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    >>> and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals. What's
    >>> _their_ excuse?

    >>
    >> No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    >> *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.
    >>
    >>
    >>> OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned depending
    >>> on
    >>> how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    >>> competitive hardware with it.

    >>
    >> Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving and
    >> there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped under
    >> performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a phone that
    >> works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that comes with a
    >> bunch of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if their cell phone is
    >> "open" or not.

    >
    > Developers might. And that's the target audience right now.


    They'll sell the phone to anyone who wants to buy one. Show me where on the
    OpenMoko site or where in the checkout process or where in their press
    releases they mention this. Not some lame link to information week that
    talks about traction.



    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **



  15. #15
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Linux based OpenMoko - "embarrassing awful, slow, unusable,lethargic and unresponsive"

    On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:32:16 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

    > "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:49:43 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Tell that to the retards in COLA where every phone that happens to run
    >>> linux is the next "iPhone killer"

    >>
    >> The retards in COLA? That would be you.

    >
    > No. It would be the retards (see links below) that proclaim every
    > "Linux-based" device as being the next category killer.


    The retards in COLA? That would be you.

    >
    >
    >>> - "Linux Spawns Yet Another iPhone Killer Deeda Pi Phone really is an
    >>> [Linux-based] iPhone killer"
    >>> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.....advocacy/msg/

    >> e3d65ff1896b9c9c?hl=en
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> - "Interview with the Creator of the Linux-based 'iPhone Killer' We
    >>> have known about the FIC Neo1973, the world's first open source
    >>> phone..." http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/

    >> msg/9214f79c2a5995f7?hl=en
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Secondly, the Neo isn't supposed to be an actual final product- it's
    >>>> a "test handset" for developers to try their creations on.
    >>>
    >>> Tell that to the folks at OpenMoko. They seem to think that it is a
    >>> viable commercial product.

    >>
    >> <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner> The FreeRunner can be
    >> purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008. The software
    >> available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and developers
    >> only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet.
    >>
    >>
    >>> http://anotherugly.wordpress.com/200...ased-consumer-

    e...
    >>>
    >>> "OpenMoko-based *CONSUMER* edition announced: Neo Freerunne Gizmodo
    >>> reports that a CONSUMER edition of the Neo 1973 will be available this
    >>> spring. It will be revealed on the CONSUMER Electronics Show in Vegas
    >>> next week."

    >>
    >> anotherugly.wordpress.com speaks for OpenMoko?

    >
    >
    > You really are dumber than a rock. You complain about some web-site not
    > speaking for OpenMoko. Yet your "proof" that it isn't a commercial ready
    > device consists of posting a link to information week.
    >
    > <quote from Rick>
    >
    >
    > <http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...hives/2008/07/

    when_is_a_phone.html>
    >
    >
    > "The traction in key markets matters, and it's traction in the developer
    > market, traction in the education market, traction in vertical markets
    > that you could never have imagined." This includes, for instance,
    > creating a variety of the unit for archaeologists as an in-the-field
    > data collector.
    >
    > </quote>


    That link is posted on openmoko.com front page. And the quotation is from
    an OpenMoko VP.

    >
    > So you don't think that other websites are allowed to speak for OpenMoko
    > but your proof is some other website that magically does speak for them.
    > An no... just because some other website (InfoWeek) says that it has
    > traction with developers is NOT the same thing as admitting that it is
    > not a consumer device.


    That link is posted on openmoko.com front page. And the quotations are
    from an OpenMoko VP.

    >
    >
    >
    >>>> Only in the Linux world can a bunch of complete well-meaning amateurs
    >>>> actually design a phone from ground up.
    >>>
    >>> Good for them for doing so. But anyone who thinks that this is going
    >>> to be some sort of "iPhone killer" is an idiot.

    >>
    >> How do you know? It has been released for the consumer market yet.

    >
    > Then OPENMOKO (and not a indirect mention in InfoWeek) should clearly
    > state this on their website and their press releases. Instead OpenMoko
    > talks about "freeing your phone" and makes absolutely zero mention on
    > their site or their press releases that the phone is NOT ready.


    <http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner#Intended_use_and_users>

    The FreeRunner can be purchased from the Online Store as of July 3, 2008.
    The software available on the phone makes it suitable for power users and
    developers only, it is not ready for the general consumer yet. Email
    announcements and found on the announce mailing list.

    ....General phone users will eventually appreciate the high spec and
    performance of the phone and the wide range of free software packages
    expected to emerge.

    .... How usable it is?

    As the hacker's dream toy: it is fully functional. As a GSM phone: some
    people have been using it to receive and place phone calls and SMS for
    months, but with currently shipping software the battery life is only one
    day. As a GPS device: critical bugs have been ironed out and there is
    nice software to know where you are using OpenStreetMap. As an alarm
    clock, media player, internet browser, game console, email reader and
    contacts manager: software is not stable yet.

    >
    >
    >
    >>>> Symbian, Windows Mobile and Apple's iPhone all have their own issues,
    >>>> and they're designed and programmed by commercial professionals.
    >>>> What's _their_ excuse?
    >>>
    >>> No excuse needed. Are you complaining because these devices aren't
    >>> *perfect* because they work pretty damn well.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> OpenMoko was a interesting idea that will likely be abandoned
    >>>> depending on
    >>>> how "open" Android is, if only because Android will bring up-to-date
    >>>> competitive hardware with it.
    >>>
    >>> Or it might be abandoned because of the crap reviews it's receiving
    >>> and there might not be enough public interest to buy a over-hyped
    >>> under performing phone. Perhaps the general public simply wants a
    >>> phone that works well (as in the iPhone) rather than a clunker that
    >>> comes with a bunch of source coded. Few people give a rats ass if
    >>> their cell phone is "open" or not.

    >>
    >> Developers might. And that's the target audience right now.

    >
    > They'll sell the phone to anyone who wants to buy one.


    Yes, they will. Yes, that is different from other from other business
    models, which keeps all development in house.

    > Show me where on
    > the OpenMoko site or where in the checkout process or where in their
    > press releases they mention this. Not some lame link to information week
    > that talks about traction.


    That link is plainly posted on the openmoko.com front page. For project
    information, you go to wiki.openmoko.org, which I have told you more than
    once.

    >
    >
    >
    > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


    You can calm your fears. While the Neo and openmoko platform may produce
    an iPhone killer in fact, right now, it only has the potential to be
    aniPhone killer.
    --
    Rick



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