iPhone 2.1 is now available

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Right you are! I sync'd three iPhones today.
>
> iPhone #1 (my own). No improvement in battery life, and broke an application (AdelaVoice Voice Dialer) so that it crashes my iPhone even more often than before! That's saying something; my iPhone crashes about 3 times/day.
>
> iPhone #2 (one of my reps). Bricked. Had to go to the Apple Store to recover. The standard methods of recovery didn't work. Endless loops.
>
> iPhone #3 (my wife's). Hasn't been used yet so it has yet to turn on me. :>)
>
> (Overall the iPhone has been a very useful gadget, useful enough to overlook the crashing issues. But am I the only person who finds the Mac vs PC ads kinda funny, given that the Apple OS on the iPhone crashes far more often than the worst PC I've ever had?)
>
>

Are you talking iPhone 1 or the 3G here?

My 3G hasn't crashed once in the 6 weeks or more that I've had it.

The 2.1 update is giving me MUCH faster backups and syncs when I hook it
up to my Macbook Pro. The 3G connection is showing as stronger, but
it's hard to tell if that's just a trick of the gauge, rather than
REALLY stronger - I live in a reasonably good 3G area anyway.

So far, the only app I had that didn't work after the update was Speed
Dial, but all it needed was to re-edit the keys. Presumably the
Contacts database got re-written in a different format by the update,
hence the speedier loading of the Contacts. And this re-writing upset
Speed Dial. Now I've re-edited the 9 "keys" it works as well as it
always did.

So, for me, everything WAS working, everything still IS working, and
v2.1 seems to have improved some things.

--

NightStalker

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At 13 Sep 2008 17:38:02 -0400 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

> > In 1992, my wife said she was gonna leave me if I didn't turn off the
> > computer and pay attention to what she was saying to me.
> >
> > Sometimes I miss her, but most times NOT!
>
> and why is no one, NO ONE, a bit surprised at hearing this?

I was surprised...

....that she lasted until '92! ;-)

.....i think Larr's wife left him for an iPhone on AT&T

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At 13 Sep 2008 17:38:02 -0400 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> > In 1992, my wife said she was gonna leave me if I didn't turn off the
>> > computer and pay attention to what she was saying to me.
>> >
>> > Sometimes I miss her, but most times NOT!
>>
>> and why is no one, NO ONE, a bit surprised at hearing this?
>
> I was surprised...
>
> ...that she lasted until '92! ;-)
>
>
>

In article <[email protected]>,
MC <[email protected]> wrote:

> This is unusual. I'm just not seeing scads of reports like this.

Come on people snap out of it. The post was an obvoius troll post. Most
likely a Larry sock puppet. The giveaway was that it didn't change the
battery life. It has prolonged it twice over for me and every other
persons I've read online.

At 13 Sep 2008 22:38:33 -0400 anon wrote:

> > This is unusual. I'm just not seeing scads of reports like this.
>
> Come on people snap out of it. The post was an obvoius troll post. Most
> likely a Larry sock puppet. The giveaway was that it didn't change the
> battery life. It has prolonged it twice over for me and every other
> persons I've read online.


Oh, please. If a firmware update could double your battery life it'd mean
Apple wrote the crappyest firmware EVER for the first versions.

Unless there was a _serious_ bug in the last version (i.e. WiFi stayed
powered all the time, even if you turned it off) there's no way in hell
battery life can be "doubled" via a firmware update alone.


There's a troll in this thread, all right, but it wasn't MC...

Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, NightStalker said:

> So, for me, everything WAS working, everything still IS working, and
> v2.1 seems to have improved some things.

How about the new iTunes? Can't get the new iPhone firmware without
first upgrading iTunes. Any problems with iTunes 8 and WinXP Pro?

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Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:gai7dh$tr6$1
@aioe.org:

> Unless there was a _serious_ bug in the last version (i.e. WiFi stayed
> powered all the time, even if you turned it off) there's no way in hell
> battery life can be "doubled" via a firmware update alone.
>
>

Everybody keeps blaming wifi for these ills. Sitting next to me is a
Netgear wifi Skype phone that has run continuously for 4 days and handled
numerous phone calls without being charged. It only runs on wifi and only
does Skype. Why doesn't wifi eat its battery??

The problem with iPhone, N8xx, PDAs and all the rest of the little tablets
is the DISPLAY EATS THE BATTERY.

Think I'm crazy? Simply turn your brightness down to less than half and
time it all this week. The bright display, running all the time on games
and toys and stuff simply sucks the very life out of the little
batteries....in any of these devices....same as it does in your laptop,
macbook, ****air, etc.

The display on the little netgear phone stays on 5 seconds after the last
button press....

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Oh, please. If a firmware update could double your battery life it'd
> mean Apple wrote the crappyest firmware EVER for the first versions.
>
>

Here's a brand new 4.3" 320 x 240 262,000 color Sharp LED display. I
have no idea what iPhone's display is but it doesn't matter. They are
all illuminated by super bright LEDs, in this case seven of them for
this brand new type of 4.3" display.

http://document.sharpsma.com/files/L..._24_Oct_07.pdf
(find a real computer that can display Acrobat files to read it.)

Now, look on page 9 under "LED electricity consumption" and you'll see
it uses 123 mw (.123 watts) PER LED so we multiply X 7 and get a full
brightness LED power consumption of .123 x 7 = .861 WATTS CONTINUOUSLY
WHILE THE DISPLAY IS LIT UP FULL!

A little arithmetic.....we have a 3.7V battery that's being drained by
..861 watts VxA=W so A=W/V A=.861/3.7 = add 5, carry the 2, count fingers
= .2327AMPS! 232.7MA at full brightness on 7 LEDs lighting up the
damned screen for the Run, Bunny, Run game!

I think the Fruitfone has an 1100maH battery so 1100/232.7= 4.7 hours of
lighting up the 7 LEDs for this 4.3" bright LCD display.....DOING
NOTHING ELSE like operating a Sellphone digital transmitter, operating a
Sellphone data transmitter, operating a 400 Mhz ARM-processor computer
with 16GB of memory that requires power, operating a GPS receiver that
listens to 12 channels simultaneously, etc., etc., etc., ad nauseum

IT WILL ONLY LIGHT UP THE SCREEN AT FULL BRIGHTNESS FOR 4.7 HOURS EVEN
IF THE SCREEN ELECTRONICS ISN'T RUNNING OR ANYTHING ELSE!

Now, to save power, firmware COULD, easily, TURN THE BRIGHTNESS DOWN!
If we reduced the brightness to 1/4 output, we'd save HALF the current
load on the battery from the display lights....over 9 hours runtime
minus what the phone uses.

Nothing else in the phone uses anywhere near 900 mw of power
CONTINUOUSLY. That pretty, BRIGHT LCD TV screen is hell on
batteries....

LOGIC, PEOPLE, LOGIC!

The flashlight apps eat more power than all the other apps put
together!....(c;

Wavin' the iPhone at a concert instead of your gas lighter EATS THE
BATTERY! My penis IS longer than yours.

If I sit and watch internet TV or a movie at full brightness during
lunch, but the time I leave after the coffee...the N800 needs charging,
too! This notion is not rocket science...(c;

At 14 Sep 2008 05:06:41 +0000 Larry wrote:

> > Unless there was a _serious_ bug in the last version (i.e. WiFi stayed
> > powered all the time, even if you turned it off) there's no way in hell
> > battery life can be "doubled" via a firmware update alone.
> >
> >
>
> Everybody keeps blaming wifi for these ills.

I'm using it as an example of something that could be left on that you
wouldn't notice if the phone's indicator told you it was off. If the
display and/or backlight stayed on all the time, for example, you'd notice!

> Sitting next to me is a
> Netgear wifi Skype phone that has run continuously for 4 days and handled
> numerous phone calls without being charged. It only runs on wifi and
only
> does Skype. Why doesn't wifi eat its battery??


Good question- most of the complaints I've read online about WiFi phones is
that the battery life sucks.

> The problem with iPhone, N8xx, PDAs and all the rest of the little
tablets
> is the DISPLAY EATS THE BATTERY.
>
> Think I'm crazy? Simply turn your brightness down to less than half and
> time it all this week. The bright display, running all the time on games
> and toys and stuff simply sucks the very life out of the little
> batteries....in any of these devices....same as it does in your laptop,
> macbook, ****air, etc.


Werner Ruotsalainen, a Microsoft Mobile Device MVP, and writer for Pocket
PC Magazine ran power consumption tests on various Windows Mobile devices
that might surprise you.

http://www.winmobiletech.com/092006P...ion/table.html

While the displays and backlights consume a lot of current, so does WiFi
(but interestingly, not bluetooth- it's so low power it only consumes 1-2
mAH!)

As the table shows us, the devices (with all radios off) consume 60-70mA
with no backlight, 120 or so at low, and 230 or so at full brightness. So
full bright is just under a 200mA increase. WiFi brought consumption up
200mA or more depending on device- equal to or more than backlighting at
full.


> The display on the little netgear phone stays on 5 seconds after the last
> button press....


How big a battery does it pack? My HTC phone uses a 1300mAH battery and
can't make through a day with push email turned on and a couple hours of
PDA and WiFi use.

"anon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> MC <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> This is unusual. I'm just not seeing scads of reports like this.
>
> Come on people snap out of it. The post was an obvoius troll post. Most
> likely a Larry sock puppet. The giveaway was that it didn't change the
> battery life. It has prolonged it twice over for me and every other
> persons I've read online.

You're misreading me. I *like* the iPhone! And I'm certain it's going to get
its bugs worked out. But 2.1 didn't appear to have any effect on battery
life (although for you or I or anyone else to make claims about that after
only a couple of days might be premature) and it certainly didn't stop my
phone from crashing. But, as I said, it's a worthwhile gadget. On the
balance sheet, it's way up in the "favorable" column.

But seriously, every time I see those Mac vs PC ads talking about PCs
crashing all the time... its degree of truthfulness is more similar to a
political ad than factual observance, at least if you throw the iPhone into
the mix. As I said previously, I have no recent Mac experience, so I'll just
have to take Apple's word for it that they don't crash. But then, rarely do
my PCs.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

> Are you talking iPhone 1 or the 3G here?

The iPhone that "bricked" was first-generation (Edge). All others current
3G.

>
> My 3G hasn't crashed once in the 6 weeks or more that I've had it.

Nor has my kids or wife's. But they're not running voice dialer or remote
desktop software either. I do, and mine crashes, sometimes running those
piece of software, sometimes all on its own.

> The 2.1 update is giving me MUCH faster backups and syncs when I hook it
> up to my Macbook Pro. The 3G connection is showing as stronger, but
> it's hard to tell if that's just a trick of the gauge, rather than
> REALLY stronger - I live in a reasonably good 3G area anyway.

Same thing here. Sync goes faster. 3G signal *appears* stronger.

> So far, the only app I had that didn't work after the update was Speed
> Dial, but all it needed was to re-edit the keys. Presumably the
> Contacts database got re-written in a different format by the update,
> hence the speedier loading of the Contacts. And this re-writing upset
> Speed Dial. Now I've re-edited the 9 "keys" it works as well as it
> always did.

Interesting. The only app that broke (with 2.1 update) was my voice-dialing
program. Might be a similar situation.

> So, for me, everything WAS working, everything still IS working, and
> v2.1 seems to have improved some things.
>
> --
>
> NightStalker

--
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"NightStalker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
>>
>> Right you are! I sync'd three iPhones today.
>>
>> iPhone #1 (my own). No improvement in battery life, and broke an
>> application (AdelaVoice Voice Dialer) so that it crashes my iPhone even
>> more often than before! That's saying something; my iPhone crashes about
>> 3 times/day.
>>
>> iPhone #2 (one of my reps). Bricked. Had to go to the Apple Store to
>> recover. The standard methods of recovery didn't work. Endless loops.
>>
>> iPhone #3 (my wife's). Hasn't been used yet so it has yet to turn on me.
>> :>)
>>
>> (Overall the iPhone has been a very useful gadget, useful enough to
>> overlook the crashing issues. But am I the only person who finds the Mac
>> vs PC ads kinda funny, given that the Apple OS on the iPhone crashes far
>> more often than the worst PC I've ever had?)
>>
>>
>
> Are you talking iPhone 1 or the 3G here?
>
> My 3G hasn't crashed once in the 6 weeks or more that I've had it.
>
> The 2.1 update is giving me MUCH faster backups and syncs when I hook it
> up to my Macbook Pro. The 3G connection is showing as stronger, but
> it's hard to tell if that's just a trick of the gauge, rather than
> REALLY stronger - I live in a reasonably good 3G area anyway.
>
> So far, the only app I had that didn't work after the update was Speed
> Dial, but all it needed was to re-edit the keys. Presumably the
> Contacts database got re-written in a different format by the update,
> hence the speedier loading of the Contacts. And this re-writing upset
> Speed Dial. Now I've re-edited the 9 "keys" it works as well as it
> always did.
>
> So, for me, everything WAS working, everything still IS working, and
> v2.1 seems to have improved some things.
>
> --
>
> NightStalker

Arrow wrote:
> ....i think Larr's wife left him for an iPhone on AT&T
>
> "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> At 13 Sep 2008 17:38:02 -0400 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>
>>>> In 1992, my wife said she was gonna leave me if I didn't turn off the
>>>> computer and pay attention to what she was saying to me.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I miss her, but most times NOT!
>>> and why is no one, NO ONE, a bit surprised at hearing this?
>> I was surprised...
>>
>> ...that she lasted until '92! ;-)
>>

.... and uses the support Larry pays for the contract, that would explain
his predjuice!

Mike

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> How about the new iTunes? Can't get the new iPhone firmware without
> first upgrading iTunes. Any problems with iTunes 8 and WinXP Pro?
>
>
>

Nope - no probs at all. Installed and working fuss-free.

--

NightStalker

Previously on misc.phone.mobile.iphone, NightStalker said:

> > How about the new iTunes? Can't get the new iPhone firmware without
> > first upgrading iTunes. Any problems with iTunes 8 and WinXP Pro?
>
> Nope - no probs at all. Installed and working fuss-free.

Good to know, thanks.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

"I suppose there'll be a war now, hmm? All that running around and
shooting one another. You would have thought sooner or later it would
go out of fashion." (Amb. Mollari, B5 "The Gathering")

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:gaidot$li6$1
@aioe.org:

> How big a battery does it pack? My HTC phone uses a 1300mAH battery and
> can't make through a day with push email turned on and a couple hours of
> PDA and WiFi use.
>

The Netgear has an 860maH 3.7V cell.

The Skype in it doesn't support it being offered as a supernode, keeping
the load off it.