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- 09-14-2008, 11:51 AM #31LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Nor has my kids or wife's. But they're not running voice dialer or
> remote desktop software either. I do, and mine crashes, sometimes
> running those piece of software, sometimes all on its own.
>
>>
How much FREE main memory does your crashing phone still have? Not
storage memory, the RAM it uses to do things like run apps, etc.
A 16GB iPhone DOESN'T have 16GB of RAM, far from it.
I had crashing problems in the Nokia N800 until I figured out Maemo
Mapper was storing a thousand map tiles in operational memory. I had to
go through all the Map repositories I have loaded onto it and tell all
of them to use slower SDHC memory to store the maps, not the main
memory. No crashing since then, but I keep a close eye on where new
apps store data files by default.
On this webpage:
http://oss.coresecurity.com/iphonedbg/debugger_doc.htm
at Core Security, the writer wrote:
" iPhone Crashes
When an application crashes inside iPhone a .plist file is generated on
directory /private/var/logs/CrashReporter. This is basically an XML file
with the state of the register, thread and the exception type generated.
If it is a kernel crash is written at
/private/var/logs/CrashReporter/Panics."
I suppose you'd need root access to view the XML file. I assume the
Apple backdoor to nanny you can view it, maybe automatically.
Their debugger looks very interesting if you're interested in tinkering
around in the garage....(c; Using it is probably a felony in your
massive contract with Apple.
Look at all the processes Safari bloatware opens just for a basic web
browser with no plugins....(gasp)
Your wife and kids don't use much memory as they don't have near as many
apps as Dad does loading it down. Dad's crashes. Their's doesn't. It
may be simply running out of memory at the crash.
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- 09-14-2008, 04:18 PM #32NigelGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
in article [email protected], MC at
[email protected] wrote on 13/09/08 7:35 PM:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> (Overall the iPhone has been a very useful gadget, useful enough to overlook
>> the crashing issues. But am I the only person who finds the Mac vs PC ads
>> kinda funny, given that the Apple OS on the iPhone crashes far more often
>> than the worst PC I've ever had?)
>
> This is unusual. I'm just not seeing scads of reports like this. In fact
> I'm not seeing any. So I kind of doubt it's inherent to the iPhone. I
> suspect something else is going on.
I agree its unusual. Is your iphone jailbroken by chance or running native
apple firmware?
Nigel
- 09-14-2008, 04:19 PM #33NigelGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
in article [email protected], Larry at
[email protected] wrote on 14/09/08 2:40 AM:
> Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:gagpj2$7fl$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> A wise man never comes between his wife and her mobile usage.
>>
>>
>
> A wise man never comes between his wife and ANYTHING, if he knows what's
> good for him.....
>
For once I agree with Larry - very wise advice! You know there are 3 ways
to control a woman, and no one knows any of them!
Nigel
- 09-14-2008, 04:44 PM #34ArrowGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
> How much FREE main memory does your crashing phone still have? Not
> storage memory, the RAM it uses to do things like run apps, etc.
>
> A 16GB iPhone DOESN'T have 16GB of RAM, far from it.
>
Larr is right ...16 gig is total storage ....or about 14 gig free after the
OS takes
it's chunk for internal apps, etc.
For RAM, every search is different, but appears to be around the 128 meg
total,
with around 80-90 meg left
ie.
http://arstechnica.com/journals/appl...-and-cpu-speed
- 09-14-2008, 06:02 PM #35LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Larry <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Nigel <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:C4F3CB14.38BAE%[email protected]:
>
>> For once I agree with Larry - very wise advice! You know there are 3
>> ways to control a woman, and no one knows any of them!
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>
> When she says, "We need to talk!", it means SHE needs to talk and YOU
> need to listen!
>
>
Many men fantasize, some at great profit like John Norman, of a "better
way".
If you've never read the Chronicles of Gor series of books and shared
them with a female inclined to a little fantasy game play....you simply
haven't lived, yet. Try it....(c; Read each chapter together!
Ask your public librarian if she has the Chronicles of Gor. Watch the
telltale look on her face CONFIRMING she has read them....(c; Women
love them....even the librarians with those little eyeglass chains
around their necks.
Used book stores are a good place to pick them up if you aren't into bit
torrent downloading:
http://www.zoozle.org/dl.php?goto=ht...rg/tor/1407835
&desc=John%20Norman%20Gor%20Novels&lang=en&cat=Torrent
Need a date for this weekend? Read Gor novels in plain sight in any
public place, even the library. I never met a woman who I'd want to
sleep with that didn't at least know what they were...(c;
You don't look like any of the Tarnsmen in the books, so keep the lights
down low, so not to spoil the fun. You smell like tarnsmen after mowing
the lawn or coming back from the gym with the broken hot water heater.
TA!
- 09-14-2008, 06:03 PM #36LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Nigel <[email protected]> wrote in news:C4F3C9D5.38BAC%[email protected]:
> but on the other you want it open for
> any app to read the others data........Gezzz.
I don't know of a single app on a Windows PC, the standard business
instrument in 99% of the desks in any company not associated with Apple,
that cannot access any other file on that computer.
It has served us very well! My email program can email the spreadsheet any
place I want! It can send any document Word created, too!
What stupid purpose is served by locking every file to ONE SPECIFIC
application? Are we gonna SELL it to them later on? Why would Apple do
such a stupid thing? There must be a reason, right??
- 09-14-2008, 06:18 PM #37LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Nigel <[email protected]> wrote in
news:C4F3CB14.38BAE%[email protected]:
> For once I agree with Larry - very wise advice! You know there are 3
> ways to control a woman, and no one knows any of them!
>
> Nigel
>
When she says, "We need to talk!", it means SHE needs to talk and YOU need
to listen!
When I married mine, the priest nearly rolled over laughing when I asked
him when the Catholic Church was gonna send me the USERS MANUAL!
Even the cheapest MP3 player that comes free with the new electric drill
has a USERS MANUAL!
http://humor-world.blogspot.com/2007...t-instruction-
manual.html
They have user manuals on us....
We get jokeware like:
http://cindycandal.blogspot.com/2007...man-guide.html
http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Guide-Ev.../dp/1412051932
Name 4 things on your desk that cost this much that you must BUY the manual
from Amazon....instead of it being included in the box!
- 09-14-2008, 06:32 PM #38LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
"Arrow" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> For RAM, every search is different, but appears to be around the 128 meg
> total,
> with around 80-90 meg left
>
You don't really believe that an Apple OS with all this graphics and glitz
fits in 38MB, do you? That would be simply amazing.
Flash RAM is too slow even for these little processors to use, directly.
I think I read that 128MB is correct, and a very good reason why you only
run one app at a time.
Device memory in the N800 is only 249.5 MB. My memory manager app shows
169.8MB in use at bootup with 79.7MB available to run Linux apps, which are
very small in comparison to Mac or Win apps.
I reserve 128MB of the internal SDHC card for "virtual memory", sort of
like Windows does on a C: hard drive. If it ever uses it, the thing crawls
like lumbering bus.
My system at bootup with only the desktop apps running in background shows:
PID Process Name Size (MB)
1033 hildon-desktop 17
1274 browserd 11
985 hildon-input-method 10
758 Xomap 7
1177 systemui 5
1149 osso-connectivity-ui-conndigs 5
1256 metalayer-crawler 4
1246 mediaplayer-engine 4
796 matchbox-window-manager 4
1153 osso-media-server 2
792 sapwood-server 2
1272 browserd 2
1290 gnome-vfs-daemon 2
1201 alarmd 2
810 dsp_dld 2
937 ke-recv 2
696 hald 2
863 multimediad 1
1130 icd2 1
752 mce 1
955 maemo-launcher 1
754 gconfd-2 1
988 clipboard-manager 1
1219 hulda 1
646 dbus-daemon 1
1126 wlancond 1
1181 obexsrv 1
1111 hcid 1
1119 btcond 1
788 dbus-daemon 1
1237 pan-daemon 1
1114 bluetoothd-service-audio 1
735 event0 1008kb
1115 bluetooth-service-input 976kb
697 hald-runner 964kb
727 hald-addon-bme 956kb
739 hald-addon-cpufreq 944kb
731 hald-addon-omap-gplo 924kb
732 hald-addon-omap-gpio 924kb
733 hald-addon-omap-gpio 924kb
734 hald-addon-omap-gpio 924kb
736 hald-addon-mmc 920kb
737 hald-addon-mmc 920kb
929 mode 880kb
1095 dnsmasq 740kb
876 esd 728kb
1220 hulda 628kb
1 init 532kb
429 udevd 516kb
338 dsme 488kb
984 hildon-input-method 396kb
1032 hildon-desktop 396kb
1148 osso-connectivity-ui-conndigs 396kb
346 bme_RX-34 364kb
785 temp-reaper 268kb
348 kicker 224kb
I know about 5 of them...(c; There's a little load meter app I have
running that lets me look at the process list and watch or kill any of them
(for the adventurous). The "meter" shows it doing things just sitting
there with no external wifi or sellphone internet connections.
This is the simpleton Nokia tablet. Imagine all the processes running on
something as advanced as iPhone sucking up battery power and RAM!
- 09-14-2008, 08:02 PM #39Todd AllcockGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
At 15 Sep 2008 00:32:58 +0000 Larry wrote:
> > For RAM, every search is different, but appears to be around the 128
meg
> > total,
> > with around 80-90 meg left
> >
>
> You don't really believe that an Apple OS with all this graphics and
glitz
> fits in 38MB, do you? That would be simply amazing.
Sure it does- it's a phone OS, not a desktop. Keep in mind we used to run
Windows 95, a fully multitasking OS on PCs with 64MB or less of RAM!
> Flash RAM is too slow even for these little processors to use, directly.
>
> I think I read that 128MB is correct, and a very good reason why you only
> run one app at a time.
My 64MB HTC Wizard WM5 device used about 35MB at boot for the OS, and had
30 le t for apps, and could run several at a time- most phone apps are
relatively small, using 1MB or less a piece. Media players and browsers
are an exception, taking several MB each or more.
> Device memory in the N800 is only 249.5 MB.
That's pretty impressive for such a small portable. RAM eats power, which
is why most smartphones keep it between 32-128MB.
> My memory manager app shows
> 169.8MB in use at bootup with 79.7MB available to run Linux apps, which
are
> very small in comparison to Mac or Win apps.
My Tilt, running WinMo 6 has 128MB with about 80MB available at boot.
<Snip long list of running processes>
> I know about 5 of them...(c; There's a little load meter app I have
> running that lets me look at the process list and watch or kill any of
them
> (for the adventurous). The "meter" shows it doing things just sitting
> there with no external wifi or sellphone internet connections.
That's a lot of stuff running on a fairly simple device.
> This is the simpleton Nokia tablet. Imagine all the processes running on
> something as advanced as iPhone sucking up battery power and RAM!
I think the difference is that your tablet is essentially running a small
desktop Linux OS ported for ARM processors, whereas the WinMo and iPhone
devices have smartphone OS' built ground up to have a small(ish) footprint.
- 09-15-2008, 03:16 AM #40Adrian CGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Larry wrote:
>
> What stupid purpose is served by locking every file to ONE SPECIFIC
> application? Are we gonna SELL it to them later on? Why would Apple do
> such a stupid thing? There must be a reason, right??
>
Ultimately stability, speed and battery life.
There is no multi-tasking or memory residency for applications, they
live and die by the one button on the unit. Because of that rule, they
can also make sure that one application is never going to look through
the entrails left by a previous one - a common means of an attack if you
look at desktop security exploits.
Keep asking the questions ;-)
--
Adrian C
- 09-15-2008, 08:53 AM #41selenaGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
'Todd Allcock[_2_ Wrote:
> ;421707']At 14 Sep 2008 17:18:15 +0000 Larry wrote:
> --
> As the table shows us, the devices (with all radios off) consume
> 60-70mA with no backlight, 120 or so at low, and 230 or so at full
> brightness. So full bright is just under a 200mA increase. WiFi
> brought consumption up 200mA or more depending on device- equal to
> or
> more than backlighting at full.
>
> -
>
> That might be true of a small smartphone with a tiny display like my
> Z6m,
> but, referring to my Sharp example at nearly 900 ma, 200 ma won't even
>
> light up the end of these BIG DISPLAYS!-
>
> The devices in the table I linked were all Windows Mobile devices with
> 2.8"
> to 3.5" screens- hardly the "tiny displays" of dumbphones.
iphone 2.1 firmware is now available with faster loading and searching
of contacts, having better battery life and also includes genious
playlist creation.
--
selena
- 09-15-2008, 09:29 AM #42Adrian CGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Larry wrote:
>
> 1032 hildon-desktop 396kb
> 1148 osso-connectivity-ui-conndigs 396kb
> 346 bme_RX-34 364kb
> 785 temp-reaper 268kb
> 348 kicker 224kb
> I know about 5 of them...(c; There's a little load meter app I have
> running that lets me look at the process list and watch or kill any of them
> (for the adventurous). The "meter" shows it doing things just sitting
> there with no external wifi or sellphone internet connections.
>
Process Meter, Task Manager, TOP, PS ....
Nah Larry ... Apple has got rid of those. Simply not necessary!!! :-)
--
Adrian C
- 09-15-2008, 01:47 PM #43MikeGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Larry wrote:
> Nigel <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:C4F3CB14.38BAE%[email protected]:
>
>> For once I agree with Larry - very wise advice! You know there are 3
>> ways to control a woman, and no one knows any of them!
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>
> When she says, "We need to talk!", it means SHE needs to talk and YOU need
> to listen!
>
> When I married mine, the priest nearly rolled over laughing when I asked
> him when the Catholic Church was gonna send me the USERS MANUAL!
>
> Even the cheapest MP3 player that comes free with the new electric drill
> has a USERS MANUAL!
>
> http://humor-world.blogspot.com/2007...t-instruction-
> manual.html
> They have user manuals on us....
>
>
> We get jokeware like:
> http://cindycandal.blogspot.com/2007...man-guide.html
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Guide-Ev.../dp/1412051932
> Name 4 things on your desk that cost this much that you must BUY the manual
> from Amazon....instead of it being included in the box!
>
>
Some manufacturers assume when you buy a very expensive complex piece of
equipment you have half a clue what you're doing or can figure/research
it yourself. Clearly when acquiring a wife (or civil partner if that's
you're bag baby) the same assumption is made.
Research can be fun though.
Mike
- 09-15-2008, 04:32 PM #44LarryGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:game3h$1pk$1
@registered.motzarella.org:
> Research can be fun though.
>
>
.....oh, great fun.....but sometimes DANGEROUS!
Men have been KILLED, experimenting!
Lorraine Bobbitt comes to mind....(c;
- 09-15-2008, 05:15 PM #45Mike JacoubowskyGuest
Re: iPhone 2.1 is now available
"Nigel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:C4F3CAC3.38BAD%[email protected]...
> in article [email protected], MC at
> [email protected] wrote on 13/09/08 7:35 PM:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> (Overall the iPhone has been a very useful gadget, useful enough to
>>> overlook
>>> the crashing issues. But am I the only person who finds the Mac vs PC
>>> ads
>>> kinda funny, given that the Apple OS on the iPhone crashes far more
>>> often
>>> than the worst PC I've ever had?)
>>
>> This is unusual. I'm just not seeing scads of reports like this. In fact
>> I'm not seeing any. So I kind of doubt it's inherent to the iPhone. I
>> suspect something else is going on.
> I agree its unusual. Is your iphone jailbroken by chance or running native
> apple firmware?
>
> Nigel
Nope, not jailbroken, and now 2.1 firmware.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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