iPhone 2.1 is now available

Larry <[email protected]> writes:

> Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Well, I
>> don't have an iPhone actually, but an iPod touch.
>>
>
> The Touch is a better device! You did the right thing. ATT has no
> stranglehold on the Touch, only Apple. That reduces the bull**** by
> 50%!

A couple of clicks to jailbreak it and even Apple has no stranglehold on
it anymore. If you would accept that then you'd have to confess that it
is actually quite a nice device...

And I'm still quite sure that for most "normal" people the stranglehold
of both Apple and ATT is no great deal. People who pay through their
noses for a bucket of bad coffee at Starbucks probably don't care that
much for not really cheap ATT plans either and still they get a great
device from Apple for their money. You surely can't build and program
one for yourself for those few bucks.

Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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Adrian C <[email protected]> wrote in news:6javkrF2c2r2U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Yes. So why not buy one? You have to be in this game to get anything
out
> of it. From where you are standing, you look like a coward.
>
> Very unfortunate for someone who is bright in other respects.
>
>

Too bright for Apple. Sorry, I had to say it. I don't buy
"CONTROLLED" devices limited by any company. I'm an open source guy and
it serves me very well.

From as far back as the first hard drive MP3 players, I have never paid
for one that required any kind of "control" software to be installed on
the host system. From the Archos Studio 20 to the Motorola ROKR Z6m
Alltel in my pocket, all music playing devices MUST be treated as
external drives by Windows or Linux based PCs. This means you MUST be
able to use the simplest of file managers, even the raw COPY command of
a DOS window, to move files on AND OFF every device I buy.

I'm sorry, but your Apple-controlled iTunes nanny disqualifies these
devices from my catalogue.

It's really a pity, too. I buy lots of devices, every year. Apple has
probably lost a couple thousand dollars in the process from just one
potential customer, to the detriment of its stockholders.

I continue to spread my venom across ALL devices so controlled,
including Apple's. I have a slight following of thankful people who
DON'T own iPods for the same reason.

The Nokia Linux tablets easily fulfill my requirements as their standard
memory cards do not require more than a USB adapter because desktop PCs
haven't kept up with drivers for the huge cards I use. By the way, the
Sandisk USB adapters have yet to disappoint me charging these cards with
files of all kinds. No nanny files hidden from view are resident, of
course. They are unnecessary.

H:
CD\MUSIC\80S
COPY *.* M:\80S

....Card loads with 80's music with a few very simple commands....without
Daddy telling you you can't do something because you didn't pay him
enough.

Yecch....how stupid people are to be lead around like cattle.

Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> A couple of clicks to jailbreak it and even Apple has no stranglehold on
> it anymore. If you would accept that then you'd have to confess that it
> is actually quite a nice device...
>
>

But why pay so MUCH for a device you must crack before you can use it when
there are so many nice devices that do not require you to hack into them,
voiding your warranty, that work as good or better.

I can't believe it's Brand Loyalty. You guys aren't that stupid, maybe
just a little naive.

Noone has jailbroken 3G iPhones. Apple seems to have corrected that error
and I suspect the Touch will be next to feel the strangling.

It's nonsense! Apple's customer attitude sucks, but you continue to buy.
These devices aren't really that nice!

In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Noone has jailbroken 3G iPhones. Apple seems to have corrected that error
> and I suspect the Touch will be next to feel the strangling.

plenty of people have jailbroken 3g iphones. the tool came out days
after the phone's release and the latest update came out only one day
after the 2.1 iphone firmware was released.

what has not yet been done is unlocking the 3g iphone. right now, the
only way to do that is with a spoof sim card. the original iphone can
still be unlocked, even with the new firmware.

> It's nonsense! Apple's customer attitude sucks, but you continue to buy.
> These devices aren't really that nice!

according to a changewave survey done several months ago, 79% of iphone
users are 'very satisfied' (not merely satisfied) with it. while it
may not suit your needs, it clearly does for others.

Larry wrote:

> H:
> CD\MUSIC\80S
> COPY *.* M:\80S
>
> ...Card loads with 80's music with a few very simple commands....without
> Daddy telling you you can't do something because you didn't pay him
> enough.
>
> Yecch....how stupid people are to be lead around like cattle.

Mooooo!!! So you admit you are a coward.

OK, How big is your music collection? I bet tiny....
How many artists?
Do you index it on tags in MP3, or do you just hope filenaming and
folder heirarchy is sufficient.
Do you build playlists, or do you listen in "file name order"
Do you back it up,
Can you do manual replication and find missing/duplicate media

..... All above with the command line or a file explorer? Tiresome but
good for you superman. Show us your favorite CLI scripts!!!

If not iTunes, you *surely* need a database for file managment ;-)

--
Adrian C

Larry wrote:
> Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Well, I
>> don't have an iPhone actually, but an iPod touch.
>>
>
> The Touch is a better device! You did the right thing. ATT has no
> stranglehold on the Touch, only Apple. That reduces the bull**** by 50%!
>

My iphone isn't in an ATT stranglehold.

Mike

Larry wrote:
> Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> A couple of clicks to jailbreak it and even Apple has no stranglehold on
>> it anymore. If you would accept that then you'd have to confess that it
>> is actually quite a nice device...
>>
>>
>
> But why pay so MUCH for a device you must crack before you can use it when
> there are so many nice devices that do not require you to hack into them,
> voiding your warranty, that work as good or better.
>
> I can't believe it's Brand Loyalty. You guys aren't that stupid, maybe
> just a little naive.
>
> Noone has jailbroken 3G iPhones. Apple seems to have corrected that error
> and I suspect the Touch will be next to feel the strangling.
>
> It's nonsense! Apple's customer attitude sucks, but you continue to buy.
> These devices aren't really that nice!
>

It's no more complicated that breaking the region coding on some DVD
players.
Manufacturers will always do anything they can to keep your custom
whether it be servicing at a car dealership, matching accessories that
intergrate better with their device or by trying to prevent/restrict
your use of third part accessories/software. Apple is no different.

A clever consumer makes an educated decision to buy a product knowing
those restrictions and ways round them.

Mike

Larry wrote:
> Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:gap1bi$vec$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> and a new career.
>>
>>
>
> He sings tenor??...(c;
>

No he became a porn star after the surgery.

Mike

Adrian C <[email protected]> wrote in news:6jc10rF2ebvnU1
@mid.individual.net:

> OK, How big is your music collection? I bet tiny....
> How many artists?
> Do you index it on tags in MP3, or do you just hope filenaming and
> folder heirarchy is sufficient.
> Do you build playlists, or do you listen in "file name order"
> Do you back it up,
> Can you do manual replication and find missing/duplicate media
>
> .... All above with the command line or a file explorer? Tiresome but
> good for you superman. Show us your favorite CLI scripts!!!
>
> If not iTunes, you *surely* need a database for file managment ;-)
>
>

The music collection is approximately 21,800,000 files, give or take a
million or two and there are too many duplicates with small changes to
the ID3 tag to do any kind of auto dup elimination. I gave that up
years ago.

Artists? The collection runs from Edison's first commercial wax
cylinder to about the 1990-99 rock scene, skipping most rapcrap
nonsense. After that date, there's quite a bit of European DJ noise, a
limited amount of rock, what rock is still left with some ****kickin'
country rock and stuff for parties. How many artists? The ID3 tags are
incomplete so that count is impossible. All of them?

Indexing is by the finest MP3 catalog program I ever found. "MP3
Catalog Pro" written by some really smart Russians at www.wizetech.com
for $30 will scan a large part of the collection, that part across many
huge USB drives I leave online most of the time. I occasionally, but
not often enough, rescan the drives when the computer has a few hours
with nothing to do, which isn't often downloading from usenet 24/7. If
you have a large collection, I highly recommend MP3 Catalog Pro for
Win98 to Vista. It's catalog is ONLINE, IN MEMORY and is lightning fast
at finding one title in a hard drive collection of several million
titles in less than 1 second. Pick the rendition of the title by the
artist of your choice and simply drag it into Winamp's playlist to play
it. DJing a party becomes fully automatic and need not be baby sat all
night worrying over levels, crossing from song to song seamlessly with a
few simple Winamp plugins like SqrSoft's great crossfading plugin using
the very CPU intensive Sound Solution 5-band
compressor/expander/limiter/keyed AGC processor suitable for FM
broadcasting. These plugins are free at winamp.com, too, last time I
upgraded them, which was about a year ago. If something works great, I
never upgrade it.

I use the same softwares on a Gateway laptop, selecting one of the music
USB hard drives with music appropriate to the people at a party as a
portable DJ source plugged into a simple DJ board, QSC 1450 watt
blowtorch and four JBL prosound cabinets I bought for a pittance blown
from a garage band that needed cash. I'm an Emminence speaker dealer,
among other manufacturers, and repopulated the JBL acoustic horn boxes
with Emminence 15" monsters:
http://www.eminence.com/proaudio_speaker_detail.asp?
web_detail_link=KILOMAXPRO15A&speaker_size=15&SUB_CAT_ID=1
That aluminum grid in the center of the woofer is a HEAT SINK to carry
off heat from the voice coils. It's cooled by the airflow through the
center of the speaker caused by the cone excursions, even in my ducted
port cabinets. My amp on 4 speakers conservatively rates these beasts
to make them last for years. I never power any speaker over 25% of
capacity. That way, you never wear them down. Take my word for
it...it's LOUD enough. The large horn midrange/tweeters in the JBL
cabinets were protected from the DC of the blowing cheap amp by the
series non-polar caps in the crossover networks. Their woofers caught
fire with high voltage DC applied by the unprotected cheap amp.

I can deliver several million songs anywhere the party is in about an
hour...(c; I used to do it for work....now it's for fun.....

I have many playlists I've collected over the years, but rarely use them
as it's too much a PITA. I get bored listening to playlists repeating.
I'd rather put a 50,000 song mix on a directory and let Winamp randomize
it to surprise me. Those directories are copies from the master drives,
so when I get bored, I simply delete the directory and load something
different. On the tablet, there are "mood directories" to play
according to what mood I'm in (and how drunk I get, usually). As a
party mood changes, I simply load a different directory and randomize it
until the party mood moves to a different direction, then change again.
Late at night, when the ladies have disco'd themselves out, don't keep
running high beat music like most clubs do. Slow the pace ending in
something REALLY romantic to move their moods in that direction....for
when the party winds down. Sexy Slow Jazz grinding across her
enibriated mind just makes that thing BUZZ!....(c; Just don't let her
near other males in this state, of course, for obvious reasons.

There are thousands of dupes on the system. It cannot be helped from
Usenet. If I stumble upon one and have the time, I might dump the worst
one. If I can't take the time, it stays. Duping and checking this many
files would be a career of tedium. Drive space is cheap. 1TB now costs
$189 and will store hundreds of thousands of MP3 files. What would be
the point?

What's a CLI script? Can drugs cure it? You must be kidding me. Drag
it into a media player and play it....or just play everything in shuffle
mode until you tire of it. I rarely hear it play a song I've heard
"this week" over again. If I do, just make the directory bigger....(c;

======================================================================

We used to record the radio to a steel wire recorder made by Western
Electric. Then, some smartass invented magnetic tape on big reels. I
still have one of those, a Pioneer RT-707 in the rack for old times
sake. We copied reel-to-reel off on 8-tracks, then moved into cassettes
for the cars. I missed DAT because it was way overpriced, which is why
few bought it and its "music tax" scheme of paying music companies for
blank tapes. I had one of the first large platter video disk players
Pioneer Laservision in the South. Media was priced so high it died a
slow death. They never learn. The new CDs Norelco invented soon gave
way to recordable media that was "marginal" at best and very fragile.
Before that, we put wav audio onto floppy discs and the computers were
swamped trying to play anything on the new sound cards.

Things have gotten better....so good the music industry paid the
politicians to create what you are faced with now. It's the same music
at about the same quality of my first stereo reel-to-reel tape deck, but
has less hiss. The music, itself, has gone to ****, a computer-
generated, repetitive noise overmic'd with some drug addict from the
slums. Why would anyone buy it? How silly.

Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:gare0n$i8o$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> My iphone isn't in an ATT stranglehold.
>
>

No, but it's STILL in an Apple iTunes stranglehold, right? What's the
difference??

Lemme know when you can plug it into a Windows box, use Windows Explorer to
copy MP3, DivX, AVI, mpg, FLAC, OGG, MIDI and wav files to it and just
press the button to play any of them on it with no background nanny files.

You'll need to write some codecs, of course.....

Lemme know when you can move the files OFF it to your laptop or over
Bluetooth to some other sellphone, either directly or over the air.

Until then....it's not jailbroken at all.....

Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:gare9o$l1p$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> A clever consumer makes an educated decision to buy a product knowing
> those restrictions and ways round them.
>
>

A VERY clever consumer ignores the logo and company name and buys the
products that do what he wants DIRECTLY without all the hacking bull****.

There are many to choose from....even now!

Larry <[email protected]> writes:

> Mike <[email protected]> wrote in news:gare9o$l1p$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> A clever consumer makes an educated decision to buy a product knowing
>> those restrictions and ways round them.
>>
>>
>
> A VERY clever consumer ignores the logo and company name and buys the
> products that do what he wants DIRECTLY without all the hacking
> bull****.

You just overestimate the nerdness of the general population. For many
people the iPhone (or the iPod touch) does very much what they want
without hacking it and it does this in a straight and convenient way.

I think Apple just doesn't care for you very much the same way you don't
care for Apple. Well, no. Apple doesn't try to tell other people what an
asshole you are ;-)


Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I think Apple just doesn't care for you very much the same way you don't
> care for Apple. Well, no. Apple doesn't try to tell other people what an
> asshole you are ;-)
>

More childish name calling. A typical Run-Bunny-Run customer??

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I think Apple just doesn't care for you very much the same way you don't
>> care for Apple. Well, no. Apple doesn't try to tell other people what an
>> asshole you are ;-)
>>
>
> More childish name calling. A typical Run-Bunny-Run customer??
>


I'm not here long enough to pass judgment on anyone but as I always
say.... "making enemies and pissing people off is directly proportional to
the number of posts one makes". Even Ghandi would piss people off after a
few thousand posts.


--
"Money Won is Twice as Sweet as Money Earned" ... Fast Eddie Felson

JK
www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com

JKconey wrote:
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Jochem Huhmann <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I think Apple just doesn't care for you very much the same way you don't
>>> care for Apple. Well, no. Apple doesn't try to tell other people what an
>>> asshole you are ;-)
>>>
>> More childish name calling. A typical Run-Bunny-Run customer??
>>
>
>
> I'm not here long enough to pass judgment on anyone but as I always
> say.... "making enemies and pissing people off is directly proportional to
> the number of posts one makes". Even Ghandi would piss people off after a
> few thousand posts.
>
Well you've just made 600m potential enemies with one post, that's a record!

Mike