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- 11-21-2008, 11:05 PM #46LarryGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
Ron <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm old enough for this to sound just like the Watergate Breakin,
> where they were lookin for info on the Democrats. This time someone
> likely had the ideas they'd find all of Obama's phone calls to William
> Ayers. They didnt find any so the story didnt come out till now.
> Bet they'll find some Verizon employee works for the White House
> Plumbers.
>
>
Nonsense, the usual elitist cults like CFR, Trilateral Commission,
Bilderbergers, Illuminati, have been grooming Obama just like they groomed
Clinton to be president since he was in college. More evidence came out to
support this theory today.
Hillary is about as qualified as Joe the Plumber to be Sec of State
The Federal Reserve Private Bank Corporation elite have installed one of
their own employees to make sure the Treasury Department is fully
infiltrated, just like always.
Nothing has changed. The bankers are still in control of the gummit, same
as always.
I did find it amusing how the real wall street "experts" were just bubbling
on business TV talking about how the NY Fed President was a government
leader to the masses on American TV, which none of them can possibly be
that stupid and still hold a major sheepskin from an elite university....
The same old debt slavery scheme the gummit has run on with PLANNED
recessions and DEPRESSIONS to reset the system for more inflation to keep
the debt machine well oiled since 1913 is running as it always has....
.....history repeating itself....boom, bust, recession, depression, more
wars, boom, bust, recession, depression, more wars...
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- 11-21-2008, 11:06 PM #47LarryGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
News <[email protected]> wrote in news:6N6dnUeBr-
[email protected]:
> Maybe, but we know for sure they work for Ivan Seidenberg.
>
>
Is he Irish Catholic??
- 11-22-2008, 12:51 AM #484phunGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
On Nov 22, 12:06*am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> News <[email protected]> wrote in news:6N6dnUeBr-
> [email protected]:
>
> > Maybe, but we know for sure they work for Ivan Seidenberg.
>
> Is he Irish Catholic??
Like Kennedy and Cohen?
I worked for that firm and it was Jewish from the get go. The name was
cleverly selected to mislead the public. A typical tactic in certain
circles.
- 11-22-2008, 12:46 PM #49Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Nov 20, 2008 BlackBerry's Storm: Awkward and Disappointing - Not An iPhone
At 20 Nov 2008 14:48:28 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> I work for a Fortune 100 company that by and large uses Blackberries,
> but any employee is free to use his own phone. Awhile back they told
> everyone exactly what steps to go through to hook the iPhone up to the
> corporate system, to get BB-style functionality.
>
> And by "they told everyone," I mean they ADVERTISED it. It's not a
> hidden "you have to know whom to call" thing.
>
> It seems our IT infrastructure truly is one of support, not one of
> prescribing how any of 50,000 people must do something.
To be fair, your company is the exception rather than the rule. Many are
more restrictive, and I suspect that's dependent on security concerns- i.e.
can the device be remote-wiped if lost, can the on-device security be
circumvented easily by "power users", etc.
My wife works for the Feds, and after one too many "stolen/missing laptop"
scandles on the news, went security crazy. They had already required
Blackberries only for mobile access (but you could use your personal one,
if you chose), but then they also locked down laptop use by requiring RSA
keyfobs or cards (random password generators that issue new passwords once
a MINUTE) to access their Exchange server anywhere outside the government
WAN.
- 11-22-2008, 01:17 PM #50LarryGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:2194d1fb-1fc7-4d10-81b7-
[email protected]:
> On Nov 22, 12:06*am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> News <[email protected]> wrote in news:6N6dnUeBr-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>> > Maybe, but we know for sure they work for Ivan Seidenberg.
>>
>> Is he Irish Catholic??
>
> Like Kennedy and Cohen?
>
> I worked for that firm and it was Jewish from the get go. The name was
> cleverly selected to mislead the public. A typical tactic in certain
> circles.
>
>
That describes most of the retail storefronts in any shopping center.....
If you get bored, do some research on Google of who controls the top of ANY
Federal bureaucracy. They are all totally infiltrated by people with DUAL
citizenship. Which flag do they really salute? I think it should be
forbidden, just like it is for President. Noone can really think Henry
Kissinger works for US.
- 11-22-2008, 03:19 PM #51Jishnu MukerjiGuest
Re: Nov 20, 2008 BlackBerry's Storm: Awkward and Disappointing -Not An iPhone
Todd Allcock wrote:
> requiring RSA
> keyfobs or cards (random password generators that issue new passwords once
> a MINUTE) to access their Exchange server anywhere outside the government
> WAN.
Been using variants of those for almost 6 years now. What were these
government agencies using? Just plain passwords over open network
connections? Are they nuts?
- 11-22-2008, 03:49 PM #52NewsGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:17:15 +0000, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>4phun <[email protected]> wrote in news:2194d1fb-1fc7-4d10-81b7-
>>[email protected]:
>>
>>
>>>On Nov 22, 12:06 am, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>News <[email protected]> wrote in news:6N6dnUeBr-
>>>>[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Maybe, but we know for sure they work for Ivan Seidenberg.
>>>>
>>>>Is he Irish Catholic??
>>>
>>>Like Kennedy and Cohen?
>>>
>>>I worked for that firm and it was Jewish from the get go. The name was
>>>cleverly selected to mislead the public. A typical tactic in certain
>>>circles.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>That describes most of the retail storefronts in any shopping center.....
>>
>>If you get bored, do some research on Google of who controls the top of ANY
>>Federal bureaucracy. They are all totally infiltrated by people with DUAL
>>citizenship. Which flag do they really salute? I think it should be
>>forbidden, just like it is for President. Noone can really think Henry
>>Kissinger works for US.
>
>
> I saw a documentary about that.
>
> Israel is the only country that the USA allows to have/maintain dual
> citizenship = passports. USA & Israel
>
> Strange but true.
If you ignore Switzerland....
- 11-22-2008, 04:29 PM #53Todd AllcockGuest
Re: On Nov 21, Apple iPhone update makes device far more secure
"4phun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ed0f247f-c217-4a37-9bca-7fa19db5eb0a@u14g2000yqg.googlegroups.com...
> In addition to adding features like Street View on Google Maps and
> performance improvements that could reduce the number of dropped
> calls, the latest software update for the iPhone released on Friday
> also plugs holes that could expose data on locked phones.
>
> The update plugs a hole that lets someone with physical access to a
> passcode-locked device to launch applications ...
Yeah, that's the hole that was discovered in August. There's no more
telling way for Apple to demonstrate if the iPhone is ready for the
Enterprise than to take three months to issue an update to fix such a simple
problem. Maybe that Google "Street View" took longer than they expected...
> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=...ar+more+secure
Yet as always...
http://blogs.computerworld.com/apple..._causes_others
Not picking on Apple in particular, in this case- this stuff seems to be
common with all tech products recently. The REAL problem with
user-updatable products is that there seems to be no real incentive for
manufacturers to get it all working right the first time. Bliss is always
just around the corner with the NEXT update! ;-)
- 11-22-2008, 04:37 PM #54Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>In an internal company e-mail obtained by CNN, Verizon Wireless
>>President and CEO Lowell McAdam disclosed Wednesday that "the personal
>>wireless account of President-elect Barack Obama had been accessed by
>>employees not authorized to do so" in recent months.
>>
>>Good old Verizon...
>
>
> I'm old enough for this to sound just like the Watergate Breakin,
> where they were lookin for info on the Democrats. This time someone
> likely had the ideas they'd find all of Obama's phone calls to William
> Ayers. They didnt find any so the story didnt come out till now.
> Bet they'll find some Verizon employee works for the White House
> Plumbers.
Oh, please! And James Carville was behind the hacking of Sarah Palin's
email... I think "Conspiracy Theory" Larry is starting to rub off on you...
This is far more likely a case of an employee abusing their tiny, little
power where someone with celebrity status is involved, like the hacking
Paris Hilton's Sidekick on T-Mobile a few years ago, or IRS employees
looking at celebrities' (or ex-spouses) tax returns to see how much they
reported earning.
"Duuuude... check this out- I just found Obama's account! Check it out..."
"Cool... D'ja think Jessica Alba's on Verizon? I'll bet she sends some
WILD picture messages..."
- 11-22-2008, 05:08 PM #55Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Nov 20, 2008 BlackBerry's Storm: Awkward and Disappointing - Not An iPhone
At 22 Nov 2008 15:55:10 -0500 Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> > To be fair, your company is the exception rather than the rule. Many
are
> > more restrictive, and I suspect that's dependent on security concerns-
i.e.
> > can the device be remote-wiped if lost, can the on-device security be
> > circumvented easily by "power users", etc.
> >
> > My wife works for the Feds, and after one too many "stolen/missing
laptop"
> > scandles on the news, went security crazy. They had already required
> > Blackberries only for mobile access (but you could use your personal one,
> > if you chose), but then they also locked down laptop use by requiring
RSA
> > keyfobs or cards (random password generators that issue new passwords
once
> > a MINUTE) to access their Exchange server anywhere outside the
government
> > WAN.
>
> We've had the RSA cards forever, too. That a gov't agency is just now
> getting around to that, surprises me.
I suspect is it was a cost issue- for all the talk about government waste
and $500 hammers, my wife's agency still runs many of their PCs on Windows
2000 and Office 2k2!
Until the RSA cards/fobs were issued (early this year, IIRC) they relied
soley on password protection and forced monthly password changes. To
discourage (but not prohibit) the use of OWA, they now have to reenter an
RSA code every 15 minutes online. Prior to this recent change, they only
had to enter the code at the beginning of a web session. My wife's attitute,
(like many others', I suspect,) was "F--- this, I'll just wait until I'm in
the office!", lowering the productivity of the (probably very small number
of!) Federal Employes diligent enough to actually work on their own time!
;-)
- 11-22-2008, 05:13 PM #56Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Nov 20, 2008 BlackBerry's Storm: Awkward and Disappointing - Not An iPhone
At 22 Nov 2008 16:19:45 -0500 Jishnu Mukerji wrote:
> Todd Allcock wrote:
> > requiring RSA
> > keyfobs or cards (random password generators that issue new passwords
once
> > a MINUTE) to access their Exchange server anywhere outside the
government
> > WAN.
>
> Been using variants of those for almost 6 years now. What were these
> government agencies using? Just plain passwords over open network
> connections? Are they nuts?
No, open passwords over a 56k dial-up VPN connection to a LAN in
Washington. This change (using RSA security) allowed them to use WiFi
connections instead of dialup when on the road. Nothing tries your
patience like opening, editing, and resaving a 2MB Powerpoint on a remote
server from a flakey dialup connection in rural South Dakota! ;-)
- 11-22-2008, 05:40 PM #57Todd AllcockGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
At 22 Nov 2008 21:47:16 +0000 [email protected] wrote:
> > They are all totally infiltrated by people with DUAL
> >citizenship. Which flag do they really salute? I think it should be
> >forbidden, just like it is for President. Noone can really think Henry
> >Kissinger works for US.
>
> I saw a documentary about that.
>
> Israel is the only country that the USA allows to have/maintain dual
> citizenship = passports. USA & Israel
>
> Strange but true.
It would indeed be strange, if it were true...
....but it isn't.
Under US law, there is no prohibition from having multiple nation's
passports or holding dual-citizenship, as long as all requirements for US
citizenship are met.
I humbly submit Exhibit A; from the website of our own State Department :
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1753.html
[All use of capitalization for emphasis is mine]
"The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two
countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based
on its own policy...
"... a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it MAY
lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires
that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free
choice, and WITH THE INTENTION TO GIVE UP U.S. CITIZENSHIP.
"...Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport
to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required
by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country.
Use of the foreign passport DOES NOT ENDANGER U.S. CITIZENSHIP..."
So, hopefully another ridiculous myth "proving" Israel secretly controls
the US Goverment can fall by the wayside...? Nah, I didn't think so...
- 11-22-2008, 06:39 PM #58Guest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
>
> Israel is the only country that the USA allows to have/maintain dual
> citizenship = passports. *USA & Israel
No, not true. That's a widely held misconception. A US citizen can,
in fact, hold dual citizenship with any other country, subject to any
restrictions that the other country may have on dual citizenship.
- 11-22-2008, 07:33 PM #59LarryGuest
Re: Nov 20, 2008 BlackBerry's Storm: Awkward and Disappointing - Not An iPhone
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote in news:gga5be$93u$2
@aioe.org:
> lowering the productivity of the (probably very small number
> of!) Federal Employes
Lowering the productivity of Federal Employees saves taxpayers billions in
raised taxes.
It was estimated if we closed the Federal Government ONE day, the savings
in paper ALONE would amount to over $800M plus 12,000 acres of trees.
- 11-22-2008, 07:36 PM #60LarryGuest
Re: Obama's cell phone records breached by VZN
[email protected] wrote in news:bcvgi4dgeir77cka5ggpha48laj37uh9s8@
4ax.com:
> I saw a documentary about that.
>
> Israel is the only country that the USA allows to have/maintain dual
> citizenship = passports. USA & Israel
>
> Strange but true.
>
>
Not strange at all once you consider which small minority controls the
media exposure and MONEY of the country.....
Mayer Rothchild, a Jew himself, put it:
"Give me control of a nation's money supply and I care NOT who makes its
laws."
That's as true today as it was when he said it...a long time ago.
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