fanboy nonsense about netbook vs. iPad debunked

So much for the claim that iPad is "killing" the netbook:

"Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
percentage of that."

http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...ook-sales.aspx

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"Mark Crispin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So much for the claim that iPad is "killing" the netbook:
>
> "Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
> units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
> were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
> Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
> percentage of that."
>
> http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...ook-sales.aspx
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://panda.com/mrc
> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
> Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

From a Windows Evangelist site...big suprise.

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
> units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
> were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
> Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
> percentage of that."
>
> http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...sorry-but-the-
> ipad-is-not-killing-netbook-sales.aspx

i love how Paul had to move goalposts (to sub 12 inch) to make it seem
that netbooks would outsell the iPad... fact is, the iPad will
completely dwarf any tablet in the market it competes in... (the sub 10
inch)... estimates are now 16-18 million units this year alone.

the iPad is the biggest event in computing in 11 years, so it's fun to
watch the dying microsoft proponents squirm.

"John B. Coarsey, PE" <jcoarsey<nospam>@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Mark Crispin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> So much for the claim that iPad is "killing" the netbook:
>>
>> "Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
>> units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
>> were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
>> Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
>> percentage of that."
>>
>> http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...0/05/06/sorry-
>> but-the-ipad-is-not-killing-netbook-sales.aspx
>>
>> -- Mark --
>>
>> http://panda.com/mrc
>> Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
>> Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
>
> From a Windows Evangelist site...big suprise.
>
>
>

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...010/05/android
-outselling-iphone-blackberry-number-one/1

There's a NUTHER l'il reality check fer ya....



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
>> units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
>> were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
>> Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
>> percentage of that."
>>
>> http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...sorry-but-the-
>> ipad-is-not-killing-netbook-sales.aspx
>
> i love how Paul had to move goalposts (to sub 12 inch) to make it seem
> that netbooks would outsell the iPad... fact is, the iPad will
> completely dwarf any tablet in the market it competes in... (the sub 10
> inch)... estimates are now 16-18 million units this year alone.
>
> the iPad is the biggest event in computing in 11 years, so it's fun to
> watch the dying microsoft proponents squirm.


Please hold your breath while you watch. Start anytime. No cheating.

Oxford wrote:
> Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> "Netbooks and sub-12-inch machines will sell 45.6 million
>> units in 2011 and 60.3 million in 2013... [In] 2009, they
>> were 10 percent of all PCs, or about 30 million units...
>> Even the craziest iPad sales predictions are a small
>> percentage of that."
>>
>>
http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...6/sorry-but-th
e-
>> ipad-is-not-killing-netbook-sales.aspx
>
> i love how Paul had to move goalposts (to sub 12 inch) to make it seem
> that netbooks would outsell the iPad... fact is, the iPad will
> completely dwarf any tablet in the market it competes in... (the sub 10
> inch)... estimates are now 16-18 million units this year alone.
>
> the iPad is the biggest event in computing in 11 years, so it's fun to
> watch the dying microsoft proponents squirm.

Not only are the goalposts moved, but it's comparing sales of multiple
devices from multiple companies against one single device (two basic models)
from one single company ... AND it's guessing at the number that MIGHT sell
in the future, no doubt based on sales before the iPad was announced /
released. Talk about an idiot wasting his time, whoever wrote that blog is
about as intelligent and knowledgable as Loser Larry. :-\

On 09/05/10 9:10 AM, Mark Crispin wrote:
> So much for the claim that iPad is "killing" the netbook:

Did anyone ever claim that? Those are two completely different markets.

BTW, Apple often benefits from netbook sales as well since many Apple
aficionados that want small OS-X machines buy a netbook and install
OS-X. They buy retail copies of OS-X, iLife, and iWork. Pure upside
revenue to sell more copies of the OS and software, and since Apple does
not sell netbooks it's not like they're losing any hardware sales
because those people generally have larger Apple machines as well. I've
seen OS-X on a netbook and it's painfully slow to run something like
iMovie, but for Open Office and web browsing it's fine (which means that
there's little reason to use OS-X rather than Linux or Windows on a
netbook).

The biggest pluses of the iPad are a) battery life, b) size and weight,
c) low cost 3G service, d) inexpensive applications, e) great child
entertainment device. You get none of that with a netbook. A netbook is
generally used for web browsing, e-mail, and running office applications.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> c) tethered to my smartphone, it has no extra cost for 3G above and beyond
> what I'm already paying for service. Until the iPad gets jailbroken,

already has been

> it's not likely to tether to anything,

it doesn't need to be jailbroken to tether to something else, however,
it does need to be jailbroken for something else to use it to tether.

> requiring a separate data plan, albeit a
> relatively reasonably priced one. Unless the iPad is the only device you
> need mobile data for, it's disadvantaged by the apparent "devil's deal" with
> AT&T- ("give it a cheap data plan, and we'll cripple any ability to
> tether.")

in spain, the ipad data plan is free if you already have an iphone.
there are wifi routers that can take data cards and/or sim cards
directly so you could use a wifi ipad that way.

> d) whether a netbook is running Linux or Windows, the ability to use
> freeware, shareware, or just use apps I've already bought and paid for use
> with my other PCs is certainly inexpensive, particularly compared to
> building a catalog of apps for a whole new OS. Open Office, at "free," is
> $30 cheaper than iWork for iPad! Media "catchers" like Orb and Sling are
> free for desktops, not for iPads.

overall, iphone software is dirt cheap.

> e) my kids can play many of the same online flash-based games on the netbook
> and "lightweight" Windows games on the netbook that they play at home.

if they have a data connection.

> With
> the 7" screen it's a better iPod/Zune than their iPods and Zunes. Sure- the
> larger iPad screen would certainly be even better for movies, but the
> netbook was 1/2 the price of an iPad, and can access online content the iPad
> can't, at least until Mr. Jobs convinces the entire internet to eschew
> Flash, or write a Substitute App For That.

many have. mafia wars exists, farmville is coming and zillions more in
the apps store.

> I really wanted to like the iPad more- the world needs a portable
> computing/entertainment tablet device that lets you curl up with it like
> laptops and netbooks don't, but it needs to access the same internet content
> a "real" computer does. The iPad comes close, but since it still can't
> render many popular sites, it's just a big smartphone, in the sense that
> with it there are still two classes of web content: the one you can view
> with it on the go, and the one that needs to wait until you get to a "real"
> computer. That division needs to disappear.

it won't happen overnight but it is happening. don't forget the ipad is
just over 1 month old. give it time

On 11/05/10 10:38 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> The biggest pluses of the iPad are a) battery life, b) size and
>> weight, c) low cost 3G service, d) inexpensive applications, e) great
>> child entertainment device. You get none of that with a netbook.
>
> How so? I'm not iPad bashing, since I think it's a really neat device,
> but I think your proximity to Cupertino has made you susceptible to the
> reality distortion field. Fight it, Steve, fight it! The netbook still
> holds up well next to the iPad even in the entertainment arena in your
> whole alphabet list, except in battery life.

We have one Apple product in our house right now, an iPod Nano that no
longer works. So I have no reality distortion field.

I have a netbook, Dell Mini 10V. The battery life is about two hours if
the WiFi and Bluetooth are on (and I use a Bluetooth mouse).

I'm interested in a 3G iPad but I would want to tether to it, and I
don't think anyone's figured that out yet. I'd happily pay $15 a month
for 250MB. I won't pay $50 a month for 5GB to Verizon.

I also have a tablet PC (one of the few people in the world apparently)
because I spent a year and a half on the design. Far more capable than
an iPad, but 4 hour battery life, more than twice the weight (and
holding a 4 pound tablet gets old really fast). OTOH it's fully
functional, can display any web site, and has multiple USB ports, a
detachable keyboard, and an SD card slot.

In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm interested in a 3G iPad but I would want to tether to it, and I
> don't think anyone's figured that out yet. I'd happily pay $15 a month
> for 250MB. I won't pay $50 a month for 5GB to Verizon.

it's been jailbroken already. presumably the tethering apps will work
(they don't need to be revised for the bigger screen). if not, i'm sure
they will be very soon.

the real question is whether the ipad sim is simlocked to the ipad or
if it can be put into something else, such as an aircard (with a
minisim adapter).

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Even more problematic, potentially, for mobile device users, are content
> and service providers who view mobility as a new chance to monetize the
> same content and service they "give away" on the desktop, like Hulu, who
> actively blocks content from portable platforms, even those with Flash
> support, because Hulu doesn't have a "policy" (translation: "price list")
> for non-computer devices yet.

that's the ironic thing. all the people whining about no flash because
they want to be able to watch hulu, except that they *can't* watch hulu
even if they had flash.

won't it be funny if hulu introduces an iphone native app so iphone and
ipad users can watch it, while android users, who *have* flash, are the
ones who are stuck without it.

nospam <[email protected]> wrote in news:120520101244454127%
[email protected]d:

> that's the ironic thing. all the people whining about no flash because
> they want to be able to watch hulu, except that they *can't* watch hulu
> even if they had flash.
>
> won't it be funny if hulu introduces an iphone native app so iphone and
> ipad users can watch it, while android users, who *have* flash, are the
> ones who are stuck without it.
>
>

I haven't tried hulu on an Android phone, but hulu runs fine on the Nokia
Maemo Linux tablets' flash player. Wonder why it won't run on Android
Flash? It's the same version. Fancast plays, ESPN 3 plays, too.



--
Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics.

Larry

On 10/06/10 12:53 PM, nospam wrote:

>> With a good netbook you can actually get all those things.
>
> an ipad is optimized for those things, whereas a netbook is not.

This is true. With game apps that can keep a kid on a plane or on a long
car ride occupied. Without being plugged in. Without being propped on
their lap.

Personally I probably would not buy an iPad for my own use now that they
changed the data plans. What was attractive was a $30 per month
(unlimited) web access device for travel when the full functionality of
a netbook is not required. With the new data plans I'll stick with my
netbook and Wi-Fi, and use pay-as-you-go tethering for the few times
that Wi-Fi is not available.

On 10/06/10 2:55 PM, SMS wrote:

> Personally I probably would not buy an iPad for my own use now that they
> changed the data plans. What was attractive was a $30 per month
> (unlimited) web access device for travel when the full functionality of
> a netbook is not required. With the new data plans I'll stick with my
> netbook and Wi-Fi, and use pay-as-you-go tethering for the few times
> that Wi-Fi is not available.

There was an interesting comparison in terms of computing power of an
iPad versus a netbook in EE Times om May 24th. For natively compiled 32
bit applications (not Microsoft .net apps) the netbook was about 2.5x
faster than an iPad in terms of Dhrystones.

For the Google V8 test suite, with both devices running Safari, the
netbook was about 4.5 times faster. However running Internet Explorer on
the netbook, the iPad running Safari was 5x faster (the lesson here is
don't use Internet Explorer!).

For floating point performance (Whetstones) the iPad was about 1.5x
faster than the netbook.

The point of the article was really to compare ARM verus x86 CPUs for
embedded web devices. They did not compare power consumption, which
seems to be a big strength of Apple's ARM chip.

In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> If it can't be decoded in hardware then they don't want it on the iPad.
> For all the posturing about Flash, the real reason they don't want it on
> the iPad or iPhone has nothing to do with stability or the fact that
> it's an Adobe product, it's that Flash is a CPU hog and drastically
> affects battery life.

it's both. most of the crashes in safari are due to flash.

> If they said 'we don't allow flash because it
> affects battery life' you'd see complaints like 'let users decide if
> they want to trade-off battery life for functionality' but you'd also
> see product reviews complaining about short battery life when running
> certain apps.

just wait until android 2.2 is out battery life on some of the
android phones sucks without flash, it's going to be awful with it.

> The iPad is a compelling product for what it is, a web pad and
> entertainment device. It's not a general purpose computing device like a
> netbook.

right, it's not intended to be

> It's expensive because they can charge that much for it, not
> because of the underlying cost of manufacturing it which is good for
> Apple who is not in a race to the bottom in terms of pricing like the
> netbook manufacturers.

it's not expensive when compared to other tablets. in fact, it's one of
the cheaper tablets.