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  1. #16
    Rick
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On Sun, 16 May 2010 07:33:41 -0700, KDT wrote:

    > On May 16, 8:02Â*am, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 00:03:16 -0700, KDT wrote:
    >> > On May 16, 1:34Â*am, John Slade <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >> Â* Â* Â*Android may be ported to the desktop soon and it's already
    >> >> out there for some of the new tablets that are coming out. Remember,
    >> >> Android is based on Linux so it's a tested platform on a wide
    >> >> variety of hardware platforms.

    >>
    >> > So isn't this like the 10th anniversary of the "Year of desktop
    >> > Linux?".

    >>
    >> For me it is, more or less. For others not so fortunate, no.
    >>
    >> > Â*Remember when netbooks were first introduced? Â*They were running
    >> > Â*Linux
    >> > and were being returned by the droves....

    >>
    >> >http://blog.laptopmag.com/ubuntu-con...tbook-returns-

    higher-
    >>
    >> than-anticpated
    >>
    >> <http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5214623279.html> At OpenSource
    >> World (formerly LinuxWorld) in San Francisco this week, Todd Finch,
    >> Dell senior product marketing manager, decided to set the record
    >> straight on return rates for Dell's Linux-based Inspiron Mini netbooks,
    >> writes Gavin Clarke in The Register. Saying Linux return rates were a
    >> "non-issue," Finch is quoted as saying that Microsoft was "making
    >> something of nothing."
    >>
    >> Finch was further quoted as saying, "We don't see a significant
    >> difference between the return rate for Windows versus the rate for
    >> Linux. We've been quite pleased with the stability and technical
    >> soundness of the Linux machines."
    >>
    >>

    >
    > But let's go to the horses mouth. Dell optionally bundles Ubuntu Linux
    > with the Mini.....
    >
    > http://blog.laptopmag.com/ubuntu-con...eturns-higher-

    than-anticpated
    >
    > So while Dell says return rates aren't an issue, the marketing director
    > at Canonical says something different.


    There was more than one reference. The return rates weren't an issue, and
    Linux based netbooks still have around one third market share.

    .... and you can believe whatever makes you feel better.

    If you reply, how about trimming the newsgroups. I'm in COLA, BTW.


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    Rick



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  2. #17
    KDT
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On May 16, 10:38*am, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:

    > There was more than one reference. The return rates weren't an issue, and
    > Linux based netbooks still have around one third market share.
    >


    Study: Windows clobbers Linux on netbooks with over 90% share

    http://blogs.computerworld.com/study..._over_90_share






  3. #18
    Chris Ahlstrom
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    KDT pulled this Usenet boner:

    > On May 16, 10:38*am, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> There was more than one reference. The return rates weren't an issue, and
    >> Linux based netbooks still have around one third market share.

    >
    > Study: Windows clobbers Linux on netbooks with over 90% share
    >
    > http://blogs.computerworld.com/study..._over_90_share


    That's wrong. It is not Windows that clobbered it. It was Microsoft.

    Microsoft, as is usual when its turf is threatened, sent in the troops
    to offer deals, require concessions, or otherwise do whatever to:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/te...gy/15SOFT.html

    "Under NO circumstances lose against Linux," ...

    In spite of 33% of people actually buying Linux netbooks, you can no
    longer find them in places like Target.

    Nobody gets away with playing on Microsoft turf.

    --
    Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.



  4. #19
    Snit
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    5/16/10 5:02 AM:

    >>>
    >>> * * * I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    >>> popularity in the desktop world.

    >>
    >> Where have I heard that before....

    >
    > Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.


    You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of the
    "desktop world".

    Even though it has been explained to you many times by multiple people.

    Amazing.


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  5. #20
    KDT
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On May 16, 12:08*pm, Chris Ahlstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
    > KDT pulled this Usenet boner:
    >
    > > On May 16, 10:38*am, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > >> There was more than one reference. The return rates weren't an issue, and
    > >> Linux based netbooks still have around one third market share.

    >
    > > Study: Windows clobbers Linux on netbooks with over 90% share

    >
    > >http://blogs.computerworld.com/study...inux_on_netboo...

    >
    > That's wrong. *It is not Windows that clobbered it. *It was Microsoft..
    >
    > Microsoft, as is usual when its turf is threatened, sent in the troops
    > to offer deals, require concessions, or otherwise do whatever to:
    >
    > * *http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/te...gy/15SOFT.html
    >
    > * *"Under NO circumstances lose against Linux," ...
    >
    > In spite of 33% of people actually buying Linux netbooks, you can no
    > longer find them in places like Target.
    >
    > Nobody gets away with playing on Microsoft turf.
    >
    > --
    > Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.


    So 33% of the people are buying Linu?. Exactly where is this figure
    coming from and how recently?




  6. #21
    Chris Ahlstrom
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    KDT pulled this Usenet boner:

    > On May 16, 12:08*pm, Chris Ahlstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> That's wrong. *It is not Windows that clobbered it. *It was Microsoft.
    >>
    >> Microsoft, as is usual when its turf is threatened, sent in the troops
    >> to offer deals, require concessions, or otherwise do whatever to:
    >>
    >> * *http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/te...gy/15SOFT.html
    >>
    >> * *"Under NO circumstances lose against Linux," ...
    >>
    >> In spite of 33% of people actually buying Linux netbooks, you can no
    >> longer find them in places like Target.
    >>
    >> Nobody gets away with playing on Microsoft turf.

    >
    > So 33% of the people are buying Linu?. Exactly where is this figure
    > coming from and how recently?


    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10198879-16.html

    It took less than a year for Microsoft to dismantle that progress.

    And note that, at that time, Microsoft was *lying* about the percentage of
    Linux.

    Take a look:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook

    Windows

    As of January 2009, over 90% (96% claimed by Microsoft as of February
    2009[57]) of netbooks in the United States are estimated to ship
    with Windows XP[58], ....

    But in the same article:

    As of November 2009, customised Linux distributions are estimated to ship
    on 32% of netbooks worldwide[70], making it the second most popular
    operating system after Windows.

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    It is right that he too should have his little chronicle, his memories,
    his reason, and be able to recognize the good in the bad, the bad in the
    worst, and so grow gently old all down the unchanging days and die one
    day like any other day, only shorter.
    -- Samuel Beckett, "Malone Dies"



  7. #22
    Rick
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:22:35 -0700, KDT wrote:

    > On May 16, 12:08Â*pm, Chris Ahlstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> KDT pulled this Usenet boner:
    >>
    >> > On May 16, 10:38Â*am, Rick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> There was more than one reference. The return rates weren't an
    >> >> issue, and Linux based netbooks still have around one third market
    >> >> share.

    >>
    >> > Study: Windows clobbers Linux on netbooks with over 90% share

    >>
    >> >http://blogs.computerworld.com/

    study_windows_clobbers_linux_on_netboo...
    >>
    >> That's wrong. Â*It is not Windows that clobbered it. Â*It was Microsoft.
    >>
    >> Microsoft, as is usual when its turf is threatened, sent in the troops
    >> to offer deals, require concessions, or otherwise do whatever to:
    >>
    >> Â* Â*http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/15/te...gy/15SOFT.html
    >>
    >> Â* Â*"Under NO circumstances lose against Linux," ...
    >>
    >> In spite of 33% of people actually buying Linux netbooks, you can no
    >> longer find them in places like Target.
    >>
    >> Nobody gets away with playing on Microsoft turf.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Never be led astray onto the path of virtue.

    >
    > So 33% of the people are buying Linu?. Exactly where is this figure
    > coming from and how recently?


    No, 33% of the people are buying Linux based netbooks. And the links have
    posted many times.



    --
    Rick



  8. #23
    Lloyd Parsons
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Rick <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
    >
    > > Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    > > 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
    > >
    > >
    > >>>> Â* Â* Â* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    > >>>> popularity in the desktop world.
    > >>>
    > >>> Where have I heard that before....
    > >>
    > >> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.

    > >
    > > You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
    > > the "desktop world".

    >
    > ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...


    LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And when
    I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out there
    that's worth having.

    --
    Lloyd





  9. #24
    Snit
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    5/16/10 9:40 AM:

    > On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
    >
    >> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    >> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
    >>
    >>
    >>>>> * * * I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    >>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
    >>>>
    >>>> Where have I heard that before....
    >>>
    >>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.

    >>
    >> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
    >> the "desktop world".

    >
    > ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...


    Well, Apple does not sell low end machines... so, sure, only those who can
    afford a higher end machine are going to get one.

    OK.

    --
    [INSERT .SIG HERE]





  10. #25
    MuahMan
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On May 16, 3:06*am, KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On May 14, 3:17*am, ultimauw@[email protected] (zeez) wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Thu, 13 May 2010 16:43:59 -0700 (PDT), KDT <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:

    >
    > > >On May 13, 9:56=A0am, ultimauw@[email protected] (zeez) wrote:
    > > >> On Wed, 12 May 2010 08:11:43 -0700, "Ness-Net"

    >
    > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > >> >Hey Oxy!!!!

    >
    > > >> >Another one of you previous 'proclamations bites the dust!!
    > > >> >You are still batting 1000 when it comes to being - totally wrong.

    >
    > > >> >http://www.npd.com/press/releases/press_100510.html

    >
    > > >> >http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?I...C=3D1&Page=3D0

    >
    > > >> >http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...id-devices-now...

    >
    > > >> =A0Good. People are getting fed up with Apples fascist crap and going to
    > > >> a platform that allows people FREEDOM. FREEDOM is what people have
    > > >> fought and died for.
    > > >> =A0--
    > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 ## =A0 =A0 _________________________________________________
    > > >> =A0 =A0 ###### =A0 l =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
    > > >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0l
    > > >> =A0 =A0######## =A0l Do not assume, it makes an ass out of U and me l
    > > >> =A0 =A0######## =A0l________________________________________________l
    > > >> =A0 ########## =A0started usenet reader at: 6:54:57.17a =A0_Thu_05-13-201=
    > > >0
    > > >> =A0ding =A0 =A0 =A0 # =A0 =A0Remove the obvious from my address to e-mail=
    > > > me. sig2.txt

    >
    > > >So it couldn't possibly have anything to do with Apple is tied to AT&T
    > > >(stupid decision). *But since everyone always likes to quote world
    > > >market share, Apple 16.1%. *Android 7.1%

    >
    > > *I'm happy iPhone is tied to ATT because this is causing people to
    > > seeking out other phones, and going with more open phones such as
    > > Droid.

    >
    > Try this little experiment, buy a Droid, buy a 32GB MicroSD card
    > (currently $200), and try to use that $200 MicroSD card on the Droid
    > to store apps that you download......


    Try this little experiment. But an iPhone, buy a 32GB MicroSD card and
    try to use that card in your iphone to store ANYTHING on.



  11. #26
    MuahMan
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    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On May 16, 12:18*pm, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    > 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
    >
    >
    >
    > >>> * * * I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    > >>> popularity in the desktop world.

    >
    > >> Where have I heard that before....

    >
    > > Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.

    >
    > You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of the
    > "desktop world".
    >

    Yeah the "stupid" segment and the "insane" segment as you are living
    of proof.



  12. #27
    John Slade
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On 5/15/2010 11:20 PM, nospam wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>, John Slade
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Android may be ported to the desktop soon and it's already
    >> out there for some of the new tablets that are coming out.
    >> Remember, Android is based on Linux so it's a tested platform on
    >> a wide variety of hardware platforms.

    >
    > google has chrome os for non-mobile devices.
    >
    >> I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    >> popularity in the desktop world.

    >
    > except it doesn't run linux binaries.


    I'm sure the desktop version does. It's already been put on
    on the desktop in an experimental capacity.

    >
    >> Apple has already tried it's
    >> hand at desktop OSes and they have been horrible failures with
    >> actually losing market share over the decades.

    >
    > nonsense. apple has been steadily gaining market share. where do people
    > come up with this stuff?


    I remember when Apple had a huge share of the market back
    in the 80s. They lost a lot of that. Now they're about 5%. Apple
    was very dominant in the education market as well. Made deals
    with schools and just about every school had an Apple computer.
    We come up with this stuff because we lived in those times. Bear
    in mind Apple made computers years before the Mac came out.

    >
    >> I wonder how many
    >> copies of OS X Snow Leopard have sold. Windows 7 on the other
    >> hand is selling like hotcakes in the retail market as well as on
    >> new PCs.

    >
    > mac sales are outpacing the market itself.


    No they're not. Windows 7 is causing huge PC sales, Apple
    is not gaining, it fact it dropped to fifth in computer sales.
    In fact I think Apple lost a lot of computer sales to Acer and
    Toshiba, two companies that make excellent laptops. Much more
    cost effective too. You can get a lot more bang for the buck
    when you don't buy from Apple and people want that. Most people
    want to play games and stuff on their computers and the OS X
    gaming market is disappearing while the Windows gaming market is
    growing year by year. This is why OS X will probably never
    reach 10% of the market and most of the Macs out there will also
    be running Windows along side OS X.

    John



  13. #28
    Snit
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    Lloyd Parsons stated in post
    [email protected] on 5/16/10 9:43 AM:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
    >>
    >>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
    >>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>>> Â* Â* Â* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    >>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Where have I heard that before....
    >>>>
    >>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
    >>>
    >>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
    >>> the "desktop world".

    >>
    >> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...

    >
    > LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And when
    > I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out there
    > that's worth having.


    I am not rick by any stretch of the imagination... but I do get Macs because
    they serve me better and in the long run have a much better ROI.

    But Rick just looks at purchase price and is blind to the rest - one of the
    reasons he likes Linux, in the very short term it is less expensive for him.


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  14. #29
    John Slade
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On 5/15/2010 11:21 PM, Nigel Ratburn wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>,
    > John Slade<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Apple has already tried it's hand at desktop OSes and they have been horrible failures with
    >> actually losing market share over the decades.
    >>
    >> John

    >
    > You mis*****ed "its," John. Learn the difference between "it's" and
    > "its."


    Oh thanks for the correction. You have anything else to add
    to the conversation?

    John



  15. #30
    MuahMan
    Guest

    Re: Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

    On May 16, 12:55*pm, John Slade <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 5/15/2010 11:20 PM, nospam wrote:
    >
    > > In article<[email protected]>, John Slade
    > > <[email protected]> *wrote:

    >
    > >> * * * Android may be ported to the desktop soon and it's already
    > >> out there for some of the new tablets that are coming out.
    > >> Remember, Android is based on Linux so it's a tested platform on
    > >> a wide variety of hardware platforms.

    >
    > > google has chrome os for non-mobile devices.

    >
    > >> * * * *I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
    > >> popularity in the desktop world.

    >
    > > except it doesn't run linux binaries.

    >
    > * * *I'm sure the desktop version does. It's already been put on
    > on the desktop in an experimental capacity.
    >
    >
    >
    > >> Apple has already tried it's
    > >> hand at desktop OSes and they have been horrible failures with
    > >> actually losing market share over the decades.

    >
    > > nonsense. apple has been steadily gaining market share. where do people
    > > come up with this stuff?

    >
    > * * * *I remember when Apple had a huge share of the market back
    > in the 80s. They lost a lot of that. Now they're about 5%. Apple
    > was very dominant in the education market as well. Made deals
    > with schools and just about every school had an Apple computer.
    > We come up with this stuff because we lived in those times. Bear
    > in mind Apple made computers years before the Mac came out.
    >
    >
    >
    > >> I wonder how many
    > >> copies of OS X Snow Leopard have sold. Windows 7 on the other
    > >> hand is selling like hotcakes in the retail market as well as on
    > >> new PCs.

    >
    > > mac sales are outpacing the market itself.

    >
    > * * * No they're not. Windows 7 is causing huge PC sales, Apple
    > is not gaining, it fact it dropped to fifth in computer sales.
    > In fact I think Apple lost a lot of computer sales to Acer and
    > Toshiba, two companies that make excellent laptops. Much more
    > cost effective too. You can get a lot more bang for the buck
    > when you don't buy from Apple and people want that. Most people
    > want to play games and stuff on their computers and the OS X
    > gaming market is disappearing while the Windows gaming market is
    > growing year by year. *This is why OS X will probably never
    > reach 10% of the market and most of the Macs out there will also
    > be running Windows along side OS X.
    >
    > John


    The problem with Macs is the terrible ROI. They cost so much you have
    to keep them years to long. They cost so much you have to actually
    take the time and effort of boxing it back up and selling it on ebay.
    Then if it sells you gotta ship it and pay all sort of fees to Ebay
    and Paypal. It's hard to sell them because even when a new Mac comes
    out it has all two or three year old components. The ROI on macs is
    just horrible, you can't use it at work, can't play games, can't run
    most software, and it's only useful if you are using Bootcamp.



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