Android now #2 - iPhone now #3

On Sun, 16 May 2010 11:43:47 -0500, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>> > Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>> > 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> ﾂ* ﾂ* ﾂ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>> >>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>> >>>
>> >>> Where have I heard that before....
>> >>
>> >> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>> >
>> > You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment
>> > of the "desktop world".
>>
>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>
> LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And when
> I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out there
> that's worth having.

Show me s $299 Mac. No? Oh, that's right, Steve doesn't know how.

After all Snit says Apple doesn't market to the common, average user,
only those will a bunch of disposable income.

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On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:55:59 -0700, Snit wrote:

> Lloyd Parsons stated in post
> [email protected] on 5/16/10 9:43
> AM:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>>>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ﾃつ* ﾃつ* ﾃつ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>>>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>>>>
>>>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment
>>>> of the "desktop world".
>>>
>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>
>> LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And
>> when I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out
>> there that's worth having.
>
> I am not rick by any stretch of the imagination... but I do get Macs
> because they serve me better and in the long run have a much better ROI.
>
> But Rick just looks at purchase price and is blind to the rest - one of
> the reasons he likes Linux, in the very short term it is less expensive
> for him.

Please don't speak for me, especially when you don't know what you are
talking about.


--
Rick

On Sun, 16 May 2010 15:38:10 -0400, ZnU wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>> > Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>> > 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>> >
>> >
>> >>>> ﾂ* ﾂ* ﾂ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>> >>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>> >>>
>> >>> Where have I heard that before....
>> >>
>> >> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>> >
>> > You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment
>> > of the "desktop world".
>>
>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>
> You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.

You are confused about my lack of confusion.

>
> We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
> the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products.

Many can't. Or don't.

> Many might not
> care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
> Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
> years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
> junk food, I'm pretty sure.

And much less expensive laptops can be purchased more often, kepping up
with technology.

--
Rick

On Sun, 16 May 2010 12:41:32 -0700, Snit wrote:

> ZnU stated in post [email protected] on
> 5/16/10 12:38 PM:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>>>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ﾃつ* ﾃつ* ﾃつ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>>>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>>>>
>>>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment
>>>> of the "desktop world".
>>>
>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>
>> You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
>>
>> We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people
>> (in the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might
>> not care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted
>> to. Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every
>> three years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than
>> that on junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>
> But Linux is free. So it is, to Rick, better. And the only reason
> Linux does not rule the world is because of MS.
>
> His story gets old.

I'd appreciate it if you would stop lying about me.

--
Rick

In article <C815987C.70789%[email protected]>,
Snit <[email protected]> wrote:

> ZnU stated in post [email protected] on
> 5/16/10 12:38 PM:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
> >>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>> ﾂ* ﾂ* ﾂ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
> >>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where have I heard that before....
> >>>>
> >>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
> >>>
> >>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
> >>> the "desktop world".
> >>
> >> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
> >
> > You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
> >
> > We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
> > the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might not
> > care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
> > Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
> > years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
> > junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>
> But Linux is free. So it is, to Rick, better. And the only reason Linux
> does not rule the world is because of MS.
>
> His story gets old.

I wouldn't agree. While I think OSX is far superior to Linux, I can
well understand those that think differently. Especially if they are
wanting to tweak with the innards of the OS a bit.

Linux isn't ever going to be dominant on the desktop because no
commercial provider is really that interested in pushing it because
there are even lower profits to be made with a Linux desktop than with a
Windows one.

Not because it is 2nd rate in performance, security or ability.

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Lloyd

In article <160520101533346700%[email protected]>,
nospam <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article
> <df4df6f8-d5c0-4224-9f77-ea155bed10b8@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The problem with Macs is the terrible ROI. They cost so much you have
> > to keep them years to long. They cost so much you have to actually
> > take the time and effort of boxing it back up and selling it on ebay.
> > Then if it sells you gotta ship it and pay all sort of fees to Ebay
> > and Paypal. It's hard to sell them because even when a new Mac comes
> > out it has all two or three year old components. The ROI on macs is
> > just horrible, you can't use it at work, can't play games, can't run
> > most software, and it's only useful if you are using Bootcamp.
>
> where do people come up with this stuff.

In Pratt's case, he pulls it right out of his ass, which is conveniently
located near his brain...

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Lloyd

On May 16, 5:21*pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <160520101533346700%[email protected]>,
>
> *nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article
> > <df4df6f8-d5c0-4224-9f77-ea155bed1...@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> > MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > The problem with Macs is the terrible ROI. *They cost so much you have
> > > to keep them years to long. They cost so much you have to actually
> > > take the time and effort of boxing it back up and selling it on ebay.
> > > Then if it sells you gotta ship it and pay all sort of fees to Ebay
> > > and Paypal. *It's hard to sell them because even when a new Mac comes
> > > out it has all two or three year old components. The ROI on macs is
> > > just horrible, you can't use it at work, can't play games, can't run
> > > most software, and it's only useful if you are using Bootcamp.
>
> > where do people come up with this stuff.
>
> In Pratt's case, he pulls it right out of his ass, which is conveniently
> located near his brain... *
>
> --
> Lloyd

What are you talking about. You just said yourself you like to re-sell
old Macs. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying.

In article
<62fe87f5-e8ee-442f-b453-6cb3f485e2a6@f13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:

> On May 16, 5:21*pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article <160520101533346700%[email protected]>,
> >
> > *nospam <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <df4df6f8-d5c0-4224-9f77-ea155bed1...@y21g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> > > MuahMan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > The problem with Macs is the terrible ROI. *They cost so much you have
> > > > to keep them years to long. They cost so much you have to actually
> > > > take the time and effort of boxing it back up and selling it on ebay.
> > > > Then if it sells you gotta ship it and pay all sort of fees to Ebay
> > > > and Paypal. *It's hard to sell them because even when a new Mac comes
> > > > out it has all two or three year old components. The ROI on macs is
> > > > just horrible, you can't use it at work, can't play games, can't run
> > > > most software, and it's only useful if you are using Bootcamp.
> >
> > > where do people come up with this stuff.
> >
> > In Pratt's case, he pulls it right out of his ass, which is conveniently
> > located near his brain... *
> >
> > --
> > Lloyd
>
> What are you talking about. You just said yourself you like to re-sell
> old Macs. Which is EXACTLY what I was saying.

No, you were saying that reselling them doesn't make for a good ROI,
implying their value doesn't hold up, which just is not the case at all.

--
Lloyd

On May 16, 3:41*pm, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
> ZnU stated in post [email protected] on
> 5/16/10 12:38 PM:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > *Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
> >>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
> >>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>
> >>>>>> * * * I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
> >>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>
> >>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>
> >>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>
> >>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
> >>> the "desktop world".
>
> >> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>
> > You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
>
> > We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
> > the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might not
> > care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
> > Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
> > years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
> > junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>
> But Linux is free. *So it is, to Rick, better. *And the only reason Linux
> does not rule the world is because of MS.
>
> His story gets old.
>
> --
> [INSERT .SIG HERE]

Ask HTC how "free" Android is. They've already agreed to pay license
fee to Microsoft for each phone sold.

On 5/16/2010 12:15 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, John Slade
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No. Their OSes have been failures.
>
> nonsense.
>
>> The OS they first
>> developed was dumped and they finally gave up and moved to UNIX
>> with OS X.
>
> kinda like microsoft dumped dos, you mean? that first os lasted from
> 1984 to 2002 or so.

DOS was basically a loader for Windows after Win 95,
however it was Microsoft's OS. Apple jumped from one to the
other and the one Apple developed was dumped for one based on UNIX.

>
>> Basically they created a hybrid kernel and a GUI.
>> Apple used to have more market share in the 80s and it dropped
>> until it gained a couple of percentage points over the last five
>> years. Basically it's never going to reach 10% of the market.
>
> <http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...corral_14_of_U.
> S._computer_market>
>
> Computerworld - Apple Inc.'s continued retail success translated into
> a boost in its share of the U.S. computer market to 14% last month,
> up from 9% in the same month last year, a research firm said today.

That article is for US SALES ONLY and it was from 2008. I'm
talking about the worldwide base of computers. Apple is about 5%.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...kes-mac-os.ars

But to Apple's credit, OS X market share was about 3% a
few years ago.


>
>> So Apple wanted to make sure Mac users had something to fall back
>> on when they realize there isn't much fun to be had with OS X,
>> thus, they came out with Boot Camp to help you install Windows
>> on the clones they make now.
>
> nonsense. very few people buy a mac only to run windows. it eases the
> transition.
>

Well I would love to see some numbers to back this up. But
clearly Apple realized that they can make money from selling to
people who want to run Windows. If they didn't feel that way,
Boot Camp would not exist.

>>> I think Dell, Toshiba, Lenova, and even HP
>>> would love to make the kind of money that the Mac generates.
>>
>> But HP makes more money than Apple.
>
> <http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2009/07/29/apple-dell-hp/>
>
> Not only is Apple's market capitalization ($143.3 billion) more than
> five times Dell's ($27.3 billion), but as Roughly Drafted's Daniel
> Eran Dilger points out, it is now bigger than Dell's (DELL) and
> Hewlett-Packard's (HPQ) combined.

Market cap is NOT net income. Net income is how much money
a company makes in a year.

HP made $9.4 billion in FY 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett_Packard

Apple made $8.2 billion in FY 2009.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_inc


HP is worth about three times what Apple is when it comes
to revenue.

John

Lloyd Parsons stated in post
[email protected] on 5/16/10 2:21 PM:

....
>>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>>
>>> You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
>>>
>>> We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
>>> the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might not
>>> care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
>>> Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
>>> years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
>>> junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>>
>> But Linux is free. So it is, to Rick, better. And the only reason Linux
>> does not rule the world is because of MS.
>>
>> His story gets old.
>
> I wouldn't agree. While I think OSX is far superior to Linux, I can
> well understand those that think differently. Especially if they are
> wanting to tweak with the innards of the OS a bit.

Oh, do not get me wrong - I have *nothing* against Linux and have suggested
it for many, even giving out Ubuntu media to students and setting up a
Ubuntu lab for them to get the hang of it. And many students, esp. those
who have been given free computers and do not want to or cannot by an OS,
stick with it for some time. For a free product it is amazing. And for
other purposes, such as limited use desktops, servers, embedded devices,
etc., it is an excellent solution. Sure, it is not really competitive as a
general purpose desktop... so be it.

> Linux isn't ever going to be dominant on the desktop because no
> commercial provider is really that interested in pushing it because
> there are even lower profits to be made with a Linux desktop than with a
> Windows one.

How do you figure?

> Not because it is 2nd rate in performance, security or ability.

It is well behind in usability and somewhat behind on ability on many areas.

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Snit wrote on [Sun, 16 May 2010 09:55:59 -0700]:
> Lloyd Parsons stated in post
> [email protected] on 5/16/10 9:43 AM:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>>>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ﾃつ* ﾃつ* ﾃつ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>>>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>>>>
>>>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
>>>> the "desktop world".
>>>
>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>
>> LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And when
>> I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out there
>> that's worth having.
>
> I am not rick by any stretch of the imagination... but I do get Macs because
> they serve me better and in the long run have a much better ROI.
>
> But Rick just looks at purchase price and is blind to the rest - one of the
> reasons he likes Linux, in the very short term it is less expensive for him.

Ummm, Linux makes machines long past "old" usable for years later. You can pickup
a $100 machine and use it for YEARS with Linux, and not really feel it being "slow"

Snit wrote on [Sun, 16 May 2010 12:41:32 -0700]:
> ZnU stated in post [email protected] on
> 5/16/10 12:38 PM:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>>>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> ﾃつ* ﾃつ* ﾃつ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>>>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>>>>
>>>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
>>>> the "desktop world".
>>>
>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>
>> You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
>>
>> We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
>> the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might not
>> care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
>> Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
>> years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
>> junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>
> But Linux is free. So it is, to Rick, better. And the only reason Linux
> does not rule the world is because of MS.

Huh, I use linux items every day, from my wifi router, to my TiVo to servers at work.

Justin stated in post [email protected] on 5/16/10
4:29 PM:

> Snit wrote on [Sun, 16 May 2010 12:41:32 -0700]:
>> ZnU stated in post [email protected] on
>> 5/16/10 12:38 PM:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Rick <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 May 2010 09:18:34 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Rick stated in post [email protected] on
>>>>> 5/16/10 5:02 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ﾂ* ﾂ* ﾂ* I think Android is possibly what could help Linux to gain
>>>>>>>> popularity in the desktop world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where have I heard that before....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us know when Apple conquers the desktop world.
>>>>>
>>>>> You still do not understand that Apple only targets a small segment of
>>>>> the "desktop world".
>>>>
>>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>>
>>> You're confusing 'premium' with 'luxury'.
>>>
>>> We're not talking about Yachts or Manhattan condos here. Most people (in
>>> the developed world, anyway) can afford Apple products. Many might not
>>> care enough to spend the extra money, but they could if they wanted to.
>>> Even a $2000 MacBook Pro (Apple sells many cheaper products) every three
>>> years is only about a dollar a day. Americans spend more than that on
>>> junk food, I'm pretty sure.
>>
>> But Linux is free. So it is, to Rick, better. And the only reason Linux
>> does not rule the world is because of MS.
>
> Huh, I use linux items every day, from my wifi router, to my TiVo to servers
> at work.

No problem with that here. Best to you. What I am in reference to is
Rick's complete and utter inability to accept the weaknesses of desktop
Linux, his inability to talk about the benefits, and his blaming of MS for
all that goes wrong in the OSS community. I certainly have nothing against
Linux nor those who use it. Heck, I use it myself.


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Justin stated in post [email protected] on 5/16/10
4:27 PM:

>>>> ... only the rich.. so much for "the computer for the rest of us"...
>>>
>>> LOL! I'm not rich, yet I use quite a bit of Apple's products. And when
>>> I resell them, my total cost is on par with anything else out there
>>> that's worth having.
>>
>> I am not rick by any stretch of the imagination... but I do get Macs because
>> they serve me better and in the long run have a much better ROI.
>>
>> But Rick just looks at purchase price and is blind to the rest - one of the
>> reasons he likes Linux, in the very short term it is less expensive for him.
>
> Ummm, Linux makes machines long past "old" usable for years later. You can
> pickup a $100 machine and use it for YEARS with Linux, and not really feel it
> being "slow"

Good. No problem with that... and one of the reasons I advocate Linux to
students. You are preaching to the choir here.

Depends on your needs, of course. For me, Linux simply does not offer
decent solutions... nothing to compete with Photoshop, nothing to compete
with ScreenFlow, nothing to compete with Dreamweaver, etc. And, really,
nothing to compete with iLife or even Apple's Mail, though I could work with
the Linux solutions there. Oh, and nothing to compete with MS Office,
though for that I use Windows in a VM - the Mac versions are not as good
(for my needs and tastes).

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