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  1. #31
    John Navas
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:31:27 -0700, "John Richards"
    <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:55:54 -0700, "John Richards"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:


    >>>That could be a nuisance if you have frequent visitors who also use AT&T wireless service.

    >>
    >> They are always free to use public towers or your landline.

    >
    >Not very helpful. Presumably there are no usable public towers in that location
    >or else there would be no need for a MicroCell.
    >Many folks no longer have a landline.


    "Many" is still just a small minority, and I can't imagine why this
    would be a significant issue in any event, since there are several
    different wireless services, much less subscribers on the same plan, so
    no offense intended, but this doesn't sound like a real issue to me.
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    why do iFans keep making excuses for it?



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  2. #32
    John Navas
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On 27 May 2010 02:52:41 GMT, [email protected] (Brad Allen) wrote in
    <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >" Cellular is designed for *outdoor* coverage. Indoor coverage may or
    >" not exist due to a multitude of factors, especially building
    >" construction. MicroCell is a way to give you *more* than what
    >" you're paying for with standard service.
    >
    >For AT&T, you are correct. For Verizon, however, you are wrong:
    >Verizon is designed to work indoors, in many locales, including NYC.


    On what do you base that claim?

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  3. #33
    John Higdon
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >Internet calls don't use minutes regardless.

    >
    > Not in the case of AT&T Wireless.


    Huh? If I use the Internet (IP on 3G) to make calls through my own
    switch, what mechanism does AT&T use to bill "minutes"?

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  4. #34
    John Higdon
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Their microcell talks to the mothership, and tells the mothership (a)
    > which phone used it, (b) when, and (c) for how long.
    >
    > It's just another cell tower as far as your phone and their billing
    > system is concerned.


    In article <[email protected]>,
    Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The Microcell doesn't place calls through "your own switch." It's not
    > VoIP- your broadband connection just carries the 3G data/voice back to
    > AT&T just as their own infrastructure would've, and the calls are
    > processed by their systems, including the billing system!


    Neither of you are apparently understanding what I'm saying. An
    "Internet call" doesn't go through the MTSO as a "call", but looks more
    like a connection to a web site (the difference being other ports and
    UDP data). Do you get charged minutes when you surf the web with 3G? I
    never do.

    If you place a call through Skype, does AT&T send you a bill? How would
    they do that?

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  5. #35
    JC Dill
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    Edward A. Falk wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Malcolm Hoar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> However, you can subscribe to a $20/month plan that gives you
    >> unlimited calling through the Microcell.

    >
    > Which you paid for in the first place, and for which you also pay for
    > the bandwidth.


    You don't pay for the other end of the connection. When you make
    unlimited use of your microcell, you are making increased use of the
    other end of the system - potentially expensive use, depending on the
    carrier agreements AT&T has with other LECs.

    Would you be happier if they gave you the microcell for free, then
    charged you extra because you got extra service (extended coverage) over
    the services other AT&T users get?

    jc



  6. #36
    John Navas
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:13:49 -0700, John Higdon <[email protected]> wrote
    in <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >Internet calls don't use minutes regardless.

    >>
    >> Not in the case of AT&T Wireless.

    >
    >Huh? If I use the Internet (IP on 3G) to make calls through my own
    >switch, what mechanism does AT&T use to bill "minutes"?


    Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
    If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.

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  7. #37
    John Navas
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On Thu, 27 May 2010 04:55:40 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Edward
    A. Falk) wrote in <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    >Malcolm Hoar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>However, you can subscribe to a $20/month plan that gives you
    >>unlimited calling through the Microcell.

    >
    >Which you paid for in the first place, and for which you also pay for
    >the bandwidth.
    >
    >Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the hallways
    >without spontaneously breaking into giggles.


    If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
    That's how the free market works.

    --
    Best regards,
    John

    If the iPhone is really so impressive,
    why do iFans keep making excuses for it?



  8. #38
    John Higdon
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
    > If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.


    Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
    VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?

    In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.

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    John Higdon
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    AT&T-Free At Last



  9. #39
    Jonz
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On 5/27/2010 8:11 AM, John Higdon wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>,
    > John Navas<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
    >> If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.

    >
    > Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
    > VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?
    >
    > In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.
    >


    Heh, heh... Standby for the next episode of the continuing Higgy, Novice
    pissing contest. Details at eleven.




  10. #40
    Malcolm Hoar
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the hallways
    >>without spontaneously breaking into giggles.

    >
    >If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
    >That's how the free market works.


    Yup, but for some folks (me included) it's a pretty decent
    offering. I have a huge problem with reception at home and
    my options were limited:

    1. Switch carrier. Verizon and Sprint reception is just as
    bad. T-Mobile is fine but I don't like other aspects of
    their package.

    2. Install a repeater. Something of a crap-shoot and a
    decent one would have cost a *lot* more than the $150
    I paid for the Microcell.

    For me, it solved my one and only serious problem -- for
    a one-time payment of $150 and no additional monthly fees.

    That's something I can live with. And I'm no AT&T fan boy
    either. I'd ditch 'em in a heartbeat if I could. Having
    said, that I've found the wireless side of AT&T to be far
    less obnoxious than the copper side.


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  11. #41
    John Navas
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:11:41 -0700, John Higdon <[email protected]> wrote
    in <[email protected]>:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
    >> If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.

    >
    >Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
    >VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?
    >
    >In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.


    Not even a decent scramble.

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    Best regards,
    John

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    why do iFans keep making excuses for it?



  12. #42
    John Higdon
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote:

    > I'm confused. Are we talking about VOIP, or are we talking
    > about ATT MicroCells? Or are you thinking that a MicroCell
    > is just a device that lets you make VOIP calls?


    No, I understand how that works now. I wasn't the one who brought up the
    term "Internet call", which is generally thought of to mean VOIP. I
    understand the difference between the data and voice wireless services.

    I just can't wait for the day when we all do our own telephony over IP
    networks without the provider wringing dollars out of us a minute at a
    time.

    That day is done.

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  13. #43
    n18
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    [email protected] (Malcolm Hoar) wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the
    >>>hallways without spontaneously breaking into giggles.

    >>
    >>If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
    >>That's how the free market works.

    >
    > Yup, but for some folks (me included) it's a pretty decent
    > offering. I have a huge problem with reception at home and
    > my options were limited:
    >
    > 1. Switch carrier. Verizon and Sprint reception is just as
    > bad. T-Mobile is fine but I don't like other aspects of
    > their package.
    >
    > 2. Install a repeater. Something of a crap-shoot and a
    > decent one would have cost a *lot* more than the $150
    > I paid for the Microcell.
    >
    > For me, it solved my one and only serious problem -- for
    > a one-time payment of $150 and no additional monthly fees.
    >
    > That's something I can live with. And I'm no AT&T fan boy
    > either. I'd ditch 'em in a heartbeat if I could. Having
    > said, that I've found the wireless side of AT&T to be far
    > less obnoxious than the copper side.
    >
    >


    Yep. Pretty much my attitude. I can complain all I want, but that won't
    get me reception inside my home.

    After reading all the tech reviews, and this ng, I decided it was time to
    just buy the thing and try it out. I went to the ATT store and bought the
    microcell last night.

    Four days earlier, when I called ATT and they told me the solution was
    their microcell for $150, I balked at the price, and the rep said he'd note
    in my file that they'd credit my bill $50 if I bought the thing. We'll
    see.

    I haven't had time to set it up yet, but will report back in a few days.

    Thanks.



  14. #44
    dukeofurl
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On 5/26/2010 3:40 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>,
    > Anthony Guzzi<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Other than getting better coverage at the location of the microcell, is
    >> there any other advantage to getting one of these devices, maybe
    >> something like "3G calls that are routed over the internet and then to
    >> the microcell don't use my minutes, or are billed at a lower rate"

    >
    > <snort> This IS AT&T, you know. "Microcell minutes don't come off my
    > account"? Yeah, right. Dream on.
    >
    > "Minutes are billed at a lower rate"? See above.



    Apparently you confused a question for a statement.



  15. #45
    John Slade
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    Re: ATT MicroCell

    On 5/27/2010 2:04 PM, John Higdon wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>,
    > [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
    >
    >> I'm confused. Are we talking about VOIP, or are we talking
    >> about ATT MicroCells? Or are you thinking that a MicroCell
    >> is just a device that lets you make VOIP calls?

    >
    > No, I understand how that works now. I wasn't the one who brought up the
    > term "Internet call", which is generally thought of to mean VOIP. I
    > understand the difference between the data and voice wireless services.
    >
    > I just can't wait for the day when we all do our own telephony over IP
    > networks without the provider wringing dollars out of us a minute at a
    > time.
    >
    > That day is done.
    >


    Actually it's not. In fact IP telephony and/or VOIP have
    opened up markets for those who provide the service. They have
    the resources to create and maintain a network that is stable.
    They also make it easier to connect to the traditional telephony
    network. Most people will pay $100 per year or less to have that
    work done for them. Most people won't want to go through the
    hassle of building their own network using software that doesn't
    support a universal protocol.



    John




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