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- 05-26-2010, 03:32 PM #31John NavasGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On Wed, 26 May 2010 12:31:27 -0700, "John Richards"
<[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 21:55:54 -0700, "John Richards"
>> <[email protected]> wrote in <[email protected]>:
>>>That could be a nuisance if you have frequent visitors who also use AT&T wireless service.
>>
>> They are always free to use public towers or your landline.
>
>Not very helpful. Presumably there are no usable public towers in that location
>or else there would be no need for a MicroCell.
>Many folks no longer have a landline.
"Many" is still just a small minority, and I can't imagine why this
would be a significant issue in any event, since there are several
different wireless services, much less subscribers on the same plan, so
no offense intended, but this doesn't sound like a real issue to me.
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- 05-26-2010, 08:59 PM #32John NavasGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On 27 May 2010 02:52:41 GMT, [email protected] (Brad Allen) wrote in
<[email protected]>:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>" Cellular is designed for *outdoor* coverage. Indoor coverage may or
>" not exist due to a multitude of factors, especially building
>" construction. MicroCell is a way to give you *more* than what
>" you're paying for with standard service.
>
>For AT&T, you are correct. For Verizon, however, you are wrong:
>Verizon is designed to work indoors, in many locales, including NYC.
On what do you base that claim?
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- 05-26-2010, 11:13 PM #33John HigdonGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Internet calls don't use minutes regardless.
>
> Not in the case of AT&T Wireless.
Huh? If I use the Internet (IP on 3G) to make calls through my own
switch, what mechanism does AT&T use to bill "minutes"?
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- 05-27-2010, 08:40 AM #34John HigdonGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
In article <[email protected]>,
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Their microcell talks to the mothership, and tells the mothership (a)
> which phone used it, (b) when, and (c) for how long.
>
> It's just another cell tower as far as your phone and their billing
> system is concerned.
In article <[email protected]>,
Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Microcell doesn't place calls through "your own switch." It's not
> VoIP- your broadband connection just carries the 3G data/voice back to
> AT&T just as their own infrastructure would've, and the calls are
> processed by their systems, including the billing system!
Neither of you are apparently understanding what I'm saying. An
"Internet call" doesn't go through the MTSO as a "call", but looks more
like a connection to a web site (the difference being other ports and
UDP data). Do you get charged minutes when you surf the web with 3G? I
never do.
If you place a call through Skype, does AT&T send you a bill? How would
they do that?
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- 05-27-2010, 08:44 AM #35JC DillGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Malcolm Hoar <[email protected]> wrote:
>> However, you can subscribe to a $20/month plan that gives you
>> unlimited calling through the Microcell.
>
> Which you paid for in the first place, and for which you also pay for
> the bandwidth.
You don't pay for the other end of the connection. When you make
unlimited use of your microcell, you are making increased use of the
other end of the system - potentially expensive use, depending on the
carrier agreements AT&T has with other LECs.
Would you be happier if they gave you the microcell for free, then
charged you extra because you got extra service (extended coverage) over
the services other AT&T users get?
jc
- 05-27-2010, 08:44 AM #36John NavasGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On Wed, 26 May 2010 22:13:49 -0700, John Higdon <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >Internet calls don't use minutes regardless.
>>
>> Not in the case of AT&T Wireless.
>
>Huh? If I use the Internet (IP on 3G) to make calls through my own
>switch, what mechanism does AT&T use to bill "minutes"?
Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.
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- 05-27-2010, 08:45 AM #37John NavasGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On Thu, 27 May 2010 04:55:40 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Edward
A. Falk) wrote in <[email protected]>:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Malcolm Hoar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>However, you can subscribe to a $20/month plan that gives you
>>unlimited calling through the Microcell.
>
>Which you paid for in the first place, and for which you also pay for
>the bandwidth.
>
>Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the hallways
>without spontaneously breaking into giggles.
If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
That's how the free market works.
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- 05-27-2010, 09:11 AM #38John HigdonGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
> If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.
Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?
In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.
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- 05-27-2010, 09:40 AM #39JonzGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On 5/27/2010 8:11 AM, John Higdon wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> John Navas<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
>> If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.
>
> Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
> VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?
>
> In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.
>
Heh, heh... Standby for the next episode of the continuing Higgy, Novice
pissing contest. Details at eleven.
- 05-27-2010, 11:15 AM #40Malcolm HoarGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
In article <[email protected]>, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the hallways
>>without spontaneously breaking into giggles.
>
>If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
>That's how the free market works.
Yup, but for some folks (me included) it's a pretty decent
offering. I have a huge problem with reception at home and
my options were limited:
1. Switch carrier. Verizon and Sprint reception is just as
bad. T-Mobile is fine but I don't like other aspects of
their package.
2. Install a repeater. Something of a crap-shoot and a
decent one would have cost a *lot* more than the $150
I paid for the Microcell.
For me, it solved my one and only serious problem -- for
a one-time payment of $150 and no additional monthly fees.
That's something I can live with. And I'm no AT&T fan boy
either. I'd ditch 'em in a heartbeat if I could. Having
said, that I've found the wireless side of AT&T to be far
less obnoxious than the copper side.
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- 05-27-2010, 12:20 PM #41John NavasGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On Thu, 27 May 2010 08:11:41 -0700, John Higdon <[email protected]> wrote
in <[email protected]>:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Femtocell calls are routed over the Internet.
>> If you really meant VoIP you should have said so.
>
>Oh, I didn't know that. To me "Internet calls" are those placed with
>VOIP. Is there some other protocol used for Internet calls?
>
>In any event, thank you for your usual snarky reply.
Not even a decent scramble.
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- 05-27-2010, 03:04 PM #42John HigdonGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
> I'm confused. Are we talking about VOIP, or are we talking
> about ATT MicroCells? Or are you thinking that a MicroCell
> is just a device that lets you make VOIP calls?
No, I understand how that works now. I wasn't the one who brought up the
term "Internet call", which is generally thought of to mean VOIP. I
understand the difference between the data and voice wireless services.
I just can't wait for the day when we all do our own telephony over IP
networks without the provider wringing dollars out of us a minute at a
time.
That day is done.
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- 05-27-2010, 03:49 PM #43
Re: ATT MicroCell
[email protected] (Malcolm Hoar) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Man, those AT&T executives must have a hard time walking down the
>>>hallways without spontaneously breaking into giggles.
>>
>>If it's such a bad deal to you, then don't buy it.
>>That's how the free market works.
>
> Yup, but for some folks (me included) it's a pretty decent
> offering. I have a huge problem with reception at home and
> my options were limited:
>
> 1. Switch carrier. Verizon and Sprint reception is just as
> bad. T-Mobile is fine but I don't like other aspects of
> their package.
>
> 2. Install a repeater. Something of a crap-shoot and a
> decent one would have cost a *lot* more than the $150
> I paid for the Microcell.
>
> For me, it solved my one and only serious problem -- for
> a one-time payment of $150 and no additional monthly fees.
>
> That's something I can live with. And I'm no AT&T fan boy
> either. I'd ditch 'em in a heartbeat if I could. Having
> said, that I've found the wireless side of AT&T to be far
> less obnoxious than the copper side.
>
>
Yep. Pretty much my attitude. I can complain all I want, but that won't
get me reception inside my home.
After reading all the tech reviews, and this ng, I decided it was time to
just buy the thing and try it out. I went to the ATT store and bought the
microcell last night.
Four days earlier, when I called ATT and they told me the solution was
their microcell for $150, I balked at the price, and the rep said he'd note
in my file that they'd credit my bill $50 if I bought the thing. We'll
see.
I haven't had time to set it up yet, but will report back in a few days.
Thanks.
- 05-27-2010, 08:45 PM #44Junior Member
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Re: ATT MicroCell
On 5/26/2010 3:40 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Anthony Guzzi<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Other than getting better coverage at the location of the microcell, is
>> there any other advantage to getting one of these devices, maybe
>> something like "3G calls that are routed over the internet and then to
>> the microcell don't use my minutes, or are billed at a lower rate"
>
> <snort> This IS AT&T, you know. "Microcell minutes don't come off my
> account"? Yeah, right. Dream on.
>
> "Minutes are billed at a lower rate"? See above.
Apparently you confused a question for a statement.
- 05-28-2010, 03:05 PM #45John SladeGuest
Re: ATT MicroCell
On 5/27/2010 2:04 PM, John Higdon wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote:
>
>> I'm confused. Are we talking about VOIP, or are we talking
>> about ATT MicroCells? Or are you thinking that a MicroCell
>> is just a device that lets you make VOIP calls?
>
> No, I understand how that works now. I wasn't the one who brought up the
> term "Internet call", which is generally thought of to mean VOIP. I
> understand the difference between the data and voice wireless services.
>
> I just can't wait for the day when we all do our own telephony over IP
> networks without the provider wringing dollars out of us a minute at a
> time.
>
> That day is done.
>
Actually it's not. In fact IP telephony and/or VOIP have
opened up markets for those who provide the service. They have
the resources to create and maintain a network that is stable.
They also make it easier to connect to the traditional telephony
network. Most people will pay $100 per year or less to have that
work done for them. Most people won't want to go through the
hassle of building their own network using software that doesn't
support a universal protocol.
John
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