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  1. #121
    Char Jackson
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    Re: Let the games begin!

    On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:31:49 -0700, nospam <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >what matters is whether calls drop, which based on reports (from the
    >same people who say the bars drop) say is not happening.


    If that were true, and it's not, this whole story about the iPhone 4's
    antenna wouldn't have happened.

    >many are
    >saying the iphone 4 holds calls better than other phones.


    Few have said that. By far the majority have said that calls drop when
    they hold the iPhone 4 a certain way.




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  2. #122
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: Let the games begin!

    In message <[email protected]> tlvp
    <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

    >On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:48:35 -0400, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:07:02 -0400, in
    >> <[email protected]>, tlvp
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> Essentially *all* the data was recovered.
    >> The only exceptions were those users who ignored advice to sit tight and
    >> wait, instead trying things on their own, which mangled their data,
    >> which they then complained about, even though it was their own fault.

    >
    >Should one really call it "their own fault" if the "advice to sit tight and wait"
    >that they ignored was advice that, for whatever reason(s), never reached them?


    Or, what if they didn't really have a choice? A battery running out was
    all it took to cause data loss here.



  3. #123
    tlvp
    Guest

    Re: Let the games begin!

    On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:03:56 -0400, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:30:45 -0400, in
    > <[email protected]>, tlvp
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:48:35 -0400, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:07:02 -0400, in
    >>> <[email protected]>, tlvp
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Essentially *all* the data was recovered.
    >>> The only exceptions were those users who ignored advice to sit tight and
    >>> wait, instead trying things on their own, which mangled their data,
    >>> which they then complained about, even though it was their own fault.

    >>
    >> Should one really call it "their own fault" if the "advice to sit tight and wait"
    >> that they ignored was advice that, for whatever reason(s), never reached them?
    >>
    >>> Such users probably wouldn't have done any better backing up data on
    >>> their own, and would have still complained when something went wrong.

    >>
    >> There was certainly an implicit uptime guarantee that was violated
    >> for them to complain about -- several weeks before restoration of data, no?
    >>
    >>> There will always be those who refuse to take responsibility for their
    >>> own actions.

    >>
    >> Yup: MS, Danger, T-Mo -- those are the first to come to mind here :-) .
    >> Or are you trying to pass the blame onto the victims?

    >
    > There's blame to go around, vendors and users.
    > Playing the part of victim doesn't impress me.


    You're right: all the warning signals were there:
    T-mobile ... Microsoft ... Danger!

    Cheers, -- tlvp


    --
    Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP



  4. #124
    John Navas
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    Re: Let the games begin!

    On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 02:25:03 -0400, in
    <[email protected]>, tlvp
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:03:56 -0400, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:30:45 -0400, in
    >> <[email protected]>, tlvp
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 09:48:35 -0400, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:07:02 -0400, in
    >>>> <[email protected]>, tlvp
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Essentially *all* the data was recovered.
    >>>> The only exceptions were those users who ignored advice to sit tight and
    >>>> wait, instead trying things on their own, which mangled their data,
    >>>> which they then complained about, even though it was their own fault.
    >>>
    >>> Should one really call it "their own fault" if the "advice to sit tight and wait"
    >>> that they ignored was advice that, for whatever reason(s), never reached them?
    >>>
    >>>> Such users probably wouldn't have done any better backing up data on
    >>>> their own, and would have still complained when something went wrong.
    >>>
    >>> There was certainly an implicit uptime guarantee that was violated
    >>> for them to complain about -- several weeks before restoration of data, no?
    >>>
    >>>> There will always be those who refuse to take responsibility for their
    >>>> own actions.
    >>>
    >>> Yup: MS, Danger, T-Mo -- those are the first to come to mind here :-) .
    >>> Or are you trying to pass the blame onto the victims?

    >>
    >> There's blame to go around, vendors and users.
    >> Playing the part of victim doesn't impress me.

    >
    >You're right: all the warning signals were there:
    >T-mobile ... Microsoft ... Danger!


    “Warning, Will Robinson! Danger!”



  5. #125
    Roger 2008
    Guest

    Re: Let the games begin!


    "Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > >> 'the' current algorithm? there is no single one.

    > >
    > > There is more than one on an iphone 4?

    >
    > Yes, you can select a lower-reading scale by simply touching the exposed
    > antenna...


    That's just Apple's way of saying you can look at the iPhone 4 but don't
    touch.





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