Impressive iPhone 4 Video Quality

In article <[email protected]>, Oxford
<[email protected]> wrote:

> waiting...

2% * 3 = 2%

true or false.

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:01:26 -0700, in <[email protected]>,
JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:

>I have to plan the multi-stop route before I start my day, coordinating
>with others at some of the stops so that I can give them a time-window
>to expect me - e.g. "I'll be there early afternoon- between 1-3 pm".
>
>How do you "send a simple list" to your phone in a way that you can
>easily transfer the destinations into Google Maps on the phone? When
>you send a route, you can just click on the route link to load it into
>either the browser or map application. But they don't preserve all the
>intermediate destinations (or manual waypoints to customize the route) -
>there's no way to skip a destination and select the next one, or to go
>back to a destination that was earlier in the route.

I email a list of destination addresses, and then touch the one I want
to go to next.

>>> To summarize, it's loaded with Google's "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap
>>> - much like how Google Groups languished in beta for 5? years, and how
>>> Gmail is still functioning like a beta program (e.g. I still can't
>>> open/retrieve a received copy of email I send to a mailing list, to view
>>> the headers of the email to see if there was a delivery delay).
>>
>> For that I use the Browser in Gmail Desktop mode, Show Original, which
>> I find simple and easy.
>
>Show original doesn't show you the received headers which may reveal a
>delay thru the mailing list server. Google suppresses the received
>copy, even though it is NOT an exact duplicate of the sent copy, and
>there is no way to disable this unwanted feature. This has been a known
>problem since 2007 (maybe earlier - that's when I discovered it).

Has nothing to do with Android. Suggest you use an email alias in the
list to see the broadcast header, as I do.

--
John

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
-Abraham Maslow

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:44:46 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The thing about Android devices is that they're "good enough" for most
>users. No, they're not quite as sleek as the iPhone (though the
>Incredible comes close), they don't have the applications base (though
>that base is growing), and the UI is a bit clumsier, but they're good
>enough for most people, and some of the hardware features and included
>capabilities are better (replaceable battery, memory card slot, video
>chat over 3G not just WiFi).

Android is actually excellent, with none of those issues.
I'm guessing you've not actually used one (as usual).

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >The thing about Android devices is that they're "good enough" for most
> >users. No, they're not quite as sleek as the iPhone (though the
> >Incredible comes close), they don't have the applications base (though
> >that base is growing), and the UI is a bit clumsier, but they're good
> >enough for most people, and some of the hardware features and included
> >capabilities are better (replaceable battery, memory card slot, video
> >chat over 3G not just WiFi).
>
> Android is actually excellent, with none of those issues.
> I'm guessing you've not actually used one (as usual).

actually he's right. android is not as polished and the number of
applications is much smaller. those aren't necessarily show stoppers.

John Navas wrote:

> I email a list of destination addresses, and then touch the one I want
> to go to next.

Please explain how this works. When I have an address in email there is
no functionality to "touch the address" to load it in the browser or
mapping application.

>>>> To summarize, it's loaded with Google's "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap
>>>> - much like how Google Groups languished in beta for 5? years, and how
>>>> Gmail is still functioning like a beta program (e.g. I still can't
>>>> open/retrieve a received copy of email I send to a mailing list, to view
>>>> the headers of the email to see if there was a delivery delay).
>>> For that I use the Browser in Gmail Desktop mode, Show Original, which
>>> I find simple and easy.
>> Show original doesn't show you the received headers which may reveal a
>> delay thru the mailing list server. Google suppresses the received
>> copy, even though it is NOT an exact duplicate of the sent copy, and
>> there is no way to disable this unwanted feature. This has been a known
>> problem since 2007 (maybe earlier - that's when I discovered it).
>
> Has nothing to do with Android.

I didn't say it did. I said that the Android software suffers from the
same "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap problems that other Google products
suffer from. I was really surprised that the cell phone companies
didn't put up a fuss and insist that more of these bugs were worked out
before loading Android on their phones.

> Suggest you use an email alias in the
> list to see the broadcast header, as I do.

What are you talking about? I don't need to see a "broadcast header"
(whatever you think that is) - I want to see the received headers on my
received copy of email sent out to all list subscribers (including
myself) when I post to a mailing list. Getting this received copy
confirms that the message was sent out to the subscribers, and also
confirms if it was sent out promptly or if there was a delay in the
server (which can be ascertained by viewing the received headers, as
noted above).

jc

Oxford wrote:
> JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Android at 9% is growing at 2%,
>> at 2% of what? Is it gaining 2% against its own numbers (e.g. 2% of 9%)
>> or is it gaining 2% against the entire market? USUALLY these growth
>> rate figures are based on market share.
>
> you don't keep up with the numbers, the last official marketshare report
> shows 2% growth of the 9% (current share) for the android platform, and
> 2% growth of 28% for the iphone.

Those 2% figures don't mean what you think they mean.


>>> iPhone at 28% is growing at 2%, so
>>> iPhone units are growing 3 times faster.
>>>
>>> Are you bad at math or something?
>> This isn't a math problem, it's a logic problem. You need to first use
>> logic to figure out what that 2% is referring to before you can use any
>> math to figure out the solution.
>
> you need to keep up with the numbers, i didn't realize i needed to *****
> it out.

It's not about "keeping up with the numbers" it's about knowing what the
numbers represent. You are confused about what they represent.

>> A product that moves from 7% to 9% of the market (gaining 2%) increased
>> their customer base by 2/7 = 28% growth. A product that moves from 26%
>> to 28% of the market (gaining 2%) increases the customer base by 2/26 =
>> 8% growth. (This assumes the market itself doesn't grow or shrink - it
>> does, but we don't know how much so I'm leaving it out for now.)
>>
>> The less market share you have, the faster you can grow (as a percent of
>> the market) so players with a very small market share can have very
>> "fast growth" - e.g. going from 1% to 2% is an increase of 100% (for
>> that product) in the company's sales, but it's just a 1% increase in
>> their market share. Conversely, it's much harder for a company which
>> has significant market share to increase their share. A company that
>> has 50% of the market has to work much harder to grow their share 50%
>> (to 75% of the market) than a company which has 10% of the market (which
>> only needs to grow to 15% of the market to have a 50% increase in their
>> share).
>
> yes, and that means the android is growing more slowly than the
> iphone...

No, it doesn't. It means the Android's sales grew at 28% while the
iPhone's sales grew at 8%. If they keep up these same growth rates, the
Android will take over the iPhone by the first quarter of 2012:

Product Start Growth 3/2010 4/2010 1/2011 2/2011 3/2011 4/2011 1/2012
market rate per
share quarter

iPhone 28.00% 8.00% 30.24% 32.66% 35.27% 38.09% 41.14% 44.43% 47.99%
Android 9.00% 28.00% 11.52% 14.75% 18.87% 24.16% 30.92% 39.58% 50.67%


Note: I assume that the growth rate is per quarter. It might be per
some other interval, in which case you can change the dates to match.


>> I hope this wasn't too complicated for you to follow. If you think I'm
>> wrong (and it's entirely possible! :-) please RE-READ to make sure you
>> understood what I said before you try to denounce it. It's entirely
>> possible I haven't written this as well as I could to avoid
>> misunderstandings.
>
> yes, you need to learn more before you comment. thanks for coming to
> that realization.

You obviously didn't follow along as you are repeating your errors by
assuming you know what the "2%" refers to, when it's pretty obvious you
don't have a clue. Before you can do math with that number you MUST
know what that number represents.

jc

Oxford wrote:
> JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> and Android has no chance to catch up since they started so late and
>>> everyone that owns them, hates them.
>> That's absolutely NOT true. One of the reasons I bought a Droid is my
>> sister's family has 6 of them (2 teenagers, 2 parents, 2 grandparents -
>> her husband and his step-father went shopping together and bought all 6
>> phones, together with the family plan) and they all LOVE their Droids.
>> This phone works wonderfully for many people. I don't know if this is
>> because they have lower demands or lower expectations, or if I'm just
>> pickier than most.
>
> But compared to the iPhone, Android devices are universally hated. They
> just don't have a solid reference point, so yes, their expectations are
> much lower. Sure, they'll work, but the hardware and software quality is
> very poor. Check out the real device and you'll see why everyone feels
> that way.
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/
>
>> I'm pretty sure that use usenettizens are not in any way representative
>> of the average user - for anything.
>
> true, but anyone that uses both platforms chooses the iPhone every time.

I have another sister who works for AT&T, and therefore uses the company
provided iPhone with AT&T. She HATES it.

jc

In article <[email protected]>, JC Dill
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > Has nothing to do with Android.
>
> I didn't say it did. I said that the Android software suffers from the
> same "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap problems that other Google products
> suffer from. I was really surprised that the cell phone companies
> didn't put up a fuss and insist that more of these bugs were worked out
> before loading Android on their phones.

because it's worlds better than the crap that used to be on cellphones.

JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/
> >
> >> I'm pretty sure that use usenettizens are not in any way representative
> >> of the average user - for anything.
> >
> > true, but anyone that uses both platforms chooses the iPhone every time.
>
> I have another sister who works for AT&T, and therefore uses the company
> provided iPhone with AT&T. She HATES it.

liar, nobody hates the iphone. they may not like the carrier if they are
on the fringes of society, but the iphone is always popular.

JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's not about "keeping up with the numbers" it's about knowing what the
> numbers represent. You are confused about what they represent.

you are once again incorrect, the android platform is growing at 2% of a
current share of 9%, the iOS platform is growing at 2% of 28% share, so
no matter how you dice it, the iOS platform is growing 3 times faster.

> > yes, and that means the android is growing more slowly than the
> > iphone...
>
> No, it doesn't. It means the Android's sales grew at 28% while the
> iPhone's sales grew at 8%. If they keep up these same growth rates, the
> Android will take over the iPhone by the first quarter of 2012:
>
> Product Start Growth 3/2010 4/2010 1/2011 2/2011 3/2011 4/2011 1/2012
> market rate per share quarter
>
> iPhone 28.00% 8.00% 30.24% 32.66% 35.27% 38.09% 41.14% 44.43% 47.99%
> Android 9.00% 28.00% 11.52% 14.75% 18.87% 24.16% 30.92% 39.58% 50.67%

then show us some numbers, the last official report showed the android
platform is growing at 2% of a current share of 9%, the iOS platform is
growing at 2% of 28% share. the rest of your numbers aren't based on
reality, just projections if the iPhone 4 isn't taken into account.

there is no way in the world the android can catch up if it's growing
slower, so it seems you are bad at math.

nobody wants an android unless it is forced on them by a carrier, so you
still need to learn that.

nospam wrote on [Mon, 12 Jul 2010 19:03:26 -0700]:
> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >The thing about Android devices is that they're "good enough" for most
>> >users. No, they're not quite as sleek as the iPhone (though the
>> >Incredible comes close), they don't have the applications base (though
>> >that base is growing), and the UI is a bit clumsier, but they're good
>> >enough for most people, and some of the hardware features and included
>> >capabilities are better (replaceable battery, memory card slot, video
>> >chat over 3G not just WiFi).
>>
>> Android is actually excellent, with none of those issues.
>> I'm guessing you've not actually used one (as usual).
>
> actually he's right. android is not as polished and the number of
> applications is much smaller. those aren't necessarily show stoppers.

Yeah, there's not as many fart apps.
oh noes!

Most of the important apps are there.

In article <[email protected]>, Oxford
<[email protected]> wrote:

> liar, nobody hates the iphone.

some do, some don't. everyone likes different things.

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Of course the iPhone was in its seasonal slump during this time, when
> everyone stops buying and waits for the new model, so I suspect Apple will
> have another banner summer with the iPhone 4, despite its new multi-touch
> capacitive signal-attenuation feature.

there's going to be a very huge spike in june. while google was
activating 160k/day, apple activated 1.7 million in one day.

nospam wrote on [Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:43:30 -0700]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Of course the iPhone was in its seasonal slump during this time, when
>> everyone stops buying and waits for the new model, so I suspect Apple will
>> have another banner summer with the iPhone 4, despite its new multi-touch
>> capacitive signal-attenuation feature.
>
> there's going to be a very huge spike in june. while google was
> activating 160k/day, apple activated 1.7 million in one day.

The real question is how many of that 1.7 million is just people upgrading?

160k a day is still 4.8 million in a 30 day month

"Todd Allcock" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Which "official report" is that Oxford? I have no problem with your numbers
> if you back them up with a cite- all of these market share quotes are
> estimates based on retailer or user surveys. Which one are you claiming
> shows a "2%" growth for both Android and iPhone OS?

The Nielsen Company, I tried to find the report this afternoon, and this
isn't the same layout, but it shows the Android & iPhone growing at 2%,
so the iPhone is growing 3 times faster than the Android based on market
share.

http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/...ne-vs-android/

> According to Google, in February an average of 60,000 Android handsets a day
> were activated, up to 100,000 a day in May, and 160,000 a day by the end of
> June. Sounds like a a lot more than "2% growth." See
> <http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/2...d-daily-market
> -nears-70000-applications/>
> for example.
>
> Of course the iPhone was in its seasonal slump during this time, when
> everyone stops buying and waits for the new model, so I suspect Apple will
> have another banner summer with the iPhone 4, despite its new multi-touch
> capacitive signal-attenuation feature.

Yes, the seasonal iPhone slump is what Android fanbois were basing their
hopes and dreams on, but now that the iPhone 4 & iPad have been such
huge successes, it's going to be a downer time for them from here on
out.

Rumors are the iPod Touch is going to get a Camera & FaceTime in
September, so if that happens, there will be a huge sucking sound away
from the Android platform.