Impressive iPhone 4 Video Quality

Videos from iPhone 4 and fully edited in the new iMovie for iPhone are
starting to roll in, this opens up new worlds, check it out. The video
quality and slick editing is shocking.

http://vimeo.com/groups/52245/videos/12819723

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/imovie.html

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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:apony-A8A491.17574010072010
@news.qwest.net:

> http://vimeo.com/groups/52245/videos/12819723

God, OX, that SUCKS! Here. Compare to the new N8 from NOKIA in 720P

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=kp6EDW6fcHU&feature=PlayList&p=DF1BFB27C061D0F9
&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=12>

All that iphone smearing and herky jerky series of still photos it makes
out to be a movie really sucks in comparison to Nokia's new 12MP cam's
video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JhKK...eature=related

Be sure to switch YouTube into 720p mode on the Flash player so you get the
full picture quality of real professional video, not that smeary **** from
your toyphone.....yecch!



--
Global Warming and Creationism are to science what iPhone 4 is to
antennas...

Larry

Oxford wrote on [Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:57:41 -0600]:
> Videos from iPhone 4 and fully edited in the new iMovie for iPhone are
> starting to roll in, this opens up new worlds, check it out. The video
> quality and slick editing is shocking.
>
> http://vimeo.com/groups/52245/videos/12819723
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/imovie.html

And all the reviews say it needs more transitions and other effects.

Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another noteworthy leap in mobile market share.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...nl_dnx_h_crawl

And, on Thurs, we have the Droid X -
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...EN?localeId=33

On 11/07/10 10:37 AM, Nessnet wrote:
>
> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another
> noteworthy leap in mobile market share.
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...nl_dnx_h_crawl
>
>
> And, on Thurs, we have the Droid X -
> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...EN?localeId=33

Apple obviously has realized that this was going to happen with multiple
Android devices from multiple manufacturers being sold by multiple
carriers. Apple seems to be fine with this eventuality as they've made
no effort to expand the iPhone availability to the other three major
U.S. carriers. Once a user gets used to one platform and starts
acquiring applications they're unlikely to change platforms.

What's going to happen in the long term is similar to what happened with
Apple's computer business, they'll have a very profitable market niche
selling premium priced products to those users that prefer a closed
platform with controls over applications and content in exchange for
stability and style. Android will capture most of the market share
because most users prefer open platforms.

\"Nessnet" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another noteworthy
> leap in mobile market share.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...oh_yes_yet_aga
> in.html?tk=nl_dnx_h_crawl

but the iPhone platform is growing much faster, you forgot to add that
little detail.

SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> What's going to happen in the long term is similar to what happened with
> Apple's computer business, they'll have a very profitable market niche
> selling premium priced products to those users that prefer a closed
> platform with controls over applications and content in exchange for
> stability and style. Android will capture most of the market share
> because most users prefer open platforms.

very doubtful, the iPhone already has 28% share and they are one device
away from 40% share. Android will end up like Linux, a toy for nerds but
shunned by consumers. Verizon has ended up having to give the droids
away since they aren't selling well. The droid x has already been panned
by reviewers so it certainly doesn't look good for the android platform.

no, time and time again open platforms have lost. look at Linux, look at
the Android, nobody with half a brain wants to get stuck with being a
technician for a consumer product.

On 11/07/10 5:34 PM, Oxford wrote:

> no, time and time again open platforms have lost. look at Linux, look at
> the Android, nobody with half a brain wants to get stuck with being a
> technician for a consumer product.

You don't understand the difference between an open platform and an
open-source platform. Consumers made the choice for open platforms back
in the Mac versus PC days, and haven't looked back. Open source is
another story; Unix/Linux on the desktop has flopped (other than OS-X!)
but Linux is wildly successful on the server side.

The reason the Android platform is growing so much faster than the
iPhone platform is because they've followed the Microsoft model of
separating the operating system from the hardware, encouraging multiple
manufacturers of devices and allowing developers to create applications
without restrictions. This will result in a less stable platform, with
some bad apps, but consumers have always preferred this to a closed,
controlled system. It's deja-vu all over again.

Apple knew long ago that many other hardware manufacturers would design
and market devices with similar (and greater) functionality than the
iPhone and that those devices would be sold more widely. They don't
care. They're happy with the profitable niche the iPhone has carved out,
and with selling apps and music and videos.

On 2010-07-11, Nessnet <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another noteworthy leap in mobile market share.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...nl_dnx_h_crawl

I'd wait to see the results from the next report before
getting too excited. Apple typically doesn't sell many phones
in the two quarters before a new model is released, and then
sells a pile of them in the two quarters after that, while
new Android models seem to be available all the time.

If Android can keep gaining share on Apple in the iPhone's
good quarters that would be quite interesting.

Dennis Ferguson

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:27:54 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/07/10 10:37 AM, Nessnet wrote:
>>
>> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another
>> noteworthy leap in mobile market share.
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...nl_dnx_h_crawl
>>
>>
>> And, on Thurs, we have the Droid X -
>> http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US...EN?localeId=33
>
>Apple obviously has realized that this was going to happen with multiple
>Android devices from multiple manufacturers being sold by multiple
>carriers. Apple seems to be fine with this eventuality as they've made
>no effort to expand the iPhone availability to the other three major
>U.S. carriers. Once a user gets used to one platform and starts
>acquiring applications they're unlikely to change platforms.
>
>What's going to happen in the long term is similar to what happened with
>Apple's computer business, they'll have a very profitable market niche
>selling premium priced products to those users that prefer a closed
>platform with controls over applications and content in exchange for
>stability and style. Android will capture most of the market share
>because most users prefer open platforms.

In other words, you repeated statements that Apple wanted to be and
would be on Verizon were pure fantasy. Oops!

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:34:11 -0600, in
<[email protected]>, Oxford <[email protected]>
wrote:

>SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What's going to happen in the long term is similar to what happened with
>> Apple's computer business, they'll have a very profitable market niche
>> selling premium priced products to those users that prefer a closed
>> platform with controls over applications and content in exchange for
>> stability and style. Android will capture most of the market share
>> because most users prefer open platforms.
>
>very doubtful, the iPhone already has 28% share and they are one device
>away from 40% share. Android will end up like Linux, a toy for nerds but
>shunned by consumers. Verizon has ended up having to give the droids
>away since they aren't selling well. The droid x has already been panned
>by reviewers so it certainly doesn't look good for the android platform.

Just the opposite -- the Droid is the hot phone on Verizon, and the
Droid X is getting rave reviews.

>no, time and time again open platforms have lost. look at Linux, look at
>the Android, nobody with half a brain wants to get stuck with being a
>technician for a consumer product.

Again, just the opposite:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Commercial_and_popular_uptake>

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:26:48 -0600, in
<[email protected]>, Oxford <[email protected]>
wrote:

>\"Nessnet" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another noteworthy
>> leap in mobile market share.
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...oh_yes_yet_aga
>> in.html?tk=nl_dnx_h_crawl
>
>but the iPhone platform is growing much faster, you forgot to add that
>little detail.

Actually not.

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

John Navas wrote:

> Just the opposite -- the Droid is the hot phone on Verizon, and the
> Droid X is getting rave reviews.

Speaking as someone who recently purchased a Moto Droid, I'm woefully
unimpressed by the features of the Android OS and applications.

For instance, I assumed (silly me!) that I'd get all the functionality
of using Google Maps. But there's no way to re-route a route that the
application chooses. Also, I can't put a multi-stop route into Google
Maps on the web and then send that route to my Droid. It doesn't
recognize each of the stops as a set location, so there's no way to
deviate from the route and then pick it up again. (For instance, I set
the route to start at my home. Drive one block before you start the
application and it insists on routing you BACK to your home before it
will give you directions to the next stop.)

To summarize, it's loaded with Google's "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap
- much like how Google Groups languished in beta for 5? years, and how
Gmail is still functioning like a beta program (e.g. I still can't
open/retrieve a received copy of email I send to a mailing list, to view
the headers of the email to see if there was a delivery delay). As much
as I want to love Google, for their open source, for their open
application store, for their free products, I long for the better UI of
an iPhone. Except that I don't long for the crappier network of AT&T.

I may yet get a Droid Incredible or X, but it's still going to be a
compromise - not nearly as finished of a product as an iPhone. Too bad
Apple still restricts applications and still restricts users to AT&T.
If they would free up those 2 restrictions I could see their market
share taking off until they are the predominant supplier of cell phones.

jc

On 11/07/10 10:28 PM, Dennis Ferguson wrote:
> On 2010-07-11, Nessnet<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Don't look now, Apple fanatics, but Android's just made another noteworthy leap in mobile market share.
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/20072...nl_dnx_h_crawl
>
> I'd wait to see the results from the next report before
> getting too excited. Apple typically doesn't sell many phones
> in the two quarters before a new model is released, and then
> sells a pile of them in the two quarters after that, while
> new Android models seem to be available all the time.
>
> If Android can keep gaining share on Apple in the iPhone's
> good quarters that would be quite interesting.

With multiple phones on multiple carriers, Android will no doubt
continue to gain market share. Even if the speculation on iPhone's on
other carriers is true, it's too late now to stop Android. We'll end up
with a few different smart phone platforms each with their followers.
Apple will be a niche player in terms of market share but they will be
making the most money because they understand human factors engineering
and marketing better than the legacy phone manufacturers.

I used by sister-in-laws Droid. Geez, what a poorly designed phone
compared to the iPhone (at least compared to the 3GS), despite that the
feature list is better. And Apple's current woes with the iPhone4 will
likely be fixed soon.

On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 23:23:02 -0700, in <[email protected]>,
JC Dill <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>> Just the opposite -- the Droid is the hot phone on Verizon, and the
>> Droid X is getting rave reviews.
>
>Speaking as someone who recently purchased a Moto Droid, I'm woefully
>unimpressed by the features of the Android OS and applications.
>
>For instance, I assumed (silly me!) that I'd get all the functionality
>of using Google Maps. But there's no way to re-route a route that the
>application chooses.

Are you sure about that? (Google) Maps version 4305 on my Android
mobile has an option to search for alternative routes. What version are
you running?

>Also, I can't put a multi-stop route into Google
>Maps on the web and then send that route to my Droid. It doesn't
>recognize each of the stops as a set location, so there's no way to
>deviate from the route and then pick it up again. (For instance, I set
>the route to start at my home. Drive one block before you start the
>application and it insists on routing you BACK to your home before it
>will give you directions to the next stop.)

What I do is to send a simple list of destinations to my mobile, and
then let it do the routing to each destination in turn (simple touch
into Maps from Gmail or Messaging), which seems easier and more flexible
to me that planning a multi-stop route.

>To summarize, it's loaded with Google's "not-ready-for-prime-time" crap
>- much like how Google Groups languished in beta for 5? years, and how
>Gmail is still functioning like a beta program (e.g. I still can't
>open/retrieve a received copy of email I send to a mailing list, to view
>the headers of the email to see if there was a delivery delay).

For that I use the Browser in Gmail Desktop mode, Show Original, which
I find simple and easy.

>As much
>as I want to love Google, for their open source, for their open
>application store, for their free products, I long for the better UI of
>an iPhone. Except that I don't long for the crappier network of AT&T.

YMMV as always -- as I get more and more familiar with Android I find
I prefer it more and more over iPhone, which (among other issues) has a
poor Gmail client and mapping nowhere near as good as Android.
Aren't you applying a double standard? Have you used the Droid enough
to get expert at using it? Have you tried Gesture Search, for example?

>I may yet get a Droid Incredible or X, but it's still going to be a
>compromise - not nearly as finished of a product as an iPhone. Too bad
>Apple still restricts applications and still restricts users to AT&T.
>If they would free up those 2 restrictions I could see their market
>share taking off until they are the predominant supplier of cell phones.

I seriously doubt that. Most of the enterprises I know, for example,
see Android as a better alternative to Blackberry for their needs than
iPhone by a growing margin.

--
John

"If the only tool you have is a hammer, you will see every problem as a nail."
-Abraham Maslow