AT&T to give Sprint 4G Phones to Former Alltel Customers in NorthDakota.

Weird story. AT&T issues a press release with the sub-headline "Alltel
Customers Joining AT&T to Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's
Fastest Mobile Broadband Network"

Why would AT&T give former Alltel customers joining AT&T (territories
acquired from Verizon after the acquisition of Alltel by Verizon) free
mobile devices on the nation's fastest mobile broadband network (Sprint).

Later in the story they say that they're actually giving them AT&T 3G
handsets, which makes no sense since those won't work on the "Nations
Fastest Mobile Broadband Network." While both Sprint and AT&T both have
areas that don't offer the maximum speed, Sprint's 4G had the fastest
download speed in three out of four regions tested by PC Magazine, and
the fastest upload speed in all four regions.

I think what they meant to say was ""Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Second Fastest Mobile
Broadband Network."

"http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/att-accelerates-timetable-for-launching-service-in-north-dakota-102062818.html"

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SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c7fcf38$0$1644
[email protected]:

> I think what they meant to say was ""Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
> Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Second Fastest Mobile
> Broadband Network."
>

Would that be technically correct? Verizon's EVDO runs 1.7Mbps in
Charleston, SC. ATTWS will never go that fast, here.

Of course, you're not allowed to USE Verizon's EVDO at 1.7Mbps, but that's
another issue....(c;]

On 9/2/2010 10:07 AM, Larry wrote:
> SMS<[email protected]> wrote in news:4c7fcf38$0$1644
> [email protected]:
>
>> I think what they meant to say was ""Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
>> Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Second Fastest Mobile
>> Broadband Network."
>>
>
> Would that be technically correct?

Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.

It's irrelevant the number of people covered by Sprint 4G versus Sprint
3G or 2G. AT&T lost the right to complain about that when they sued
Verizon over Verizon's "there's a map for that" ad campaign.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/2/2010 10:07 AM, Larry wrote:
>> SMS<[email protected]> wrote in news:4c7fcf38$0$1644
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> I think what they meant to say was ""Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
>>> Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Second Fastest Mobile
>>> Broadband Network."
>>>
>>
>> Would that be technically correct?
>
>Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.

Wrong again(tm):
PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
<http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/23/pc-world-att-download-speeds-67-faster-than-its-competitors/>

>It's irrelevant the number of people covered by Sprint 4G versus Sprint
>3G or 2G. AT&T lost the right to complain about that when they sued
>Verizon over Verizon's "there's a map for that" ad campaign.

Wrong again(tm).

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

On 2010-09-02, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c7fcf38$0$1644
> [email protected]:
>
>> I think what they meant to say was ""Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
>> Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Second Fastest Mobile
>> Broadband Network."
>
> Would that be technically correct? Verizon's EVDO runs 1.7Mbps in
> Charleston, SC. ATTWS will never go that fast, here.
>
> Of course, you're not allowed to USE Verizon's EVDO at 1.7Mbps, but that's
> another issue....(c;]

Here's what I got from AT&T Mobility last time I tried:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/924885224.png

It does slow down a bit when all the guys with iPhones wake
up, though. In fact it has gotten a bit skanky on business
day afternoons this summer, compared to last spring, which
leads me to suspect the iPhone 4 must be selling pretty well
around here.

Dennis Ferguson

In message <[email protected]> John Navas
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
><[email protected]>, SMS
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.
>
>Wrong again(tm):
>PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
><http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/23/pc-world-att-download-speeds-67-faster-than-its-competitors/>

Based in the numbers, it looks like Sprint's EVDO coverage was used for
this test, not the new 4G network.

Glad you trademarked "Wrong again(tm)"; if the shoe fits...

In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

> In message <[email protected]> John Navas
> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
> ><[email protected]>, SMS
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >>Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.
> >
> >Wrong again(tm):
> >PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
>
> >><http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...ad-speeds-67-f
> >aster-than-its-competitors/>
>
> Based in the numbers, it looks like Sprint's EVDO coverage was used for
> this test, not the new 4G network.
>
> Glad you trademarked "Wrong again(tm)"; if the shoe fits...

t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.

On 9/3/2010 8:42 PM, DevilsPGD wrote:
> In message<[email protected]> John Navas
> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
>> <[email protected]>, SMS
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.
>>
>> Wrong again(tm):
>> PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
>> <http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/02/23/pc-world-att-download-speeds-67-faster-than-its-competitors/>
>
> Based in the numbers, it looks like Sprint's EVDO coverage was used for
> this test, not the new 4G network.
>
> Glad you trademarked "Wrong again(tm)"; if the shoe fits...

It's rather amusing that so many of the smarmy and uninformed comments
he makes actually apply to himself.

The test results are at
"http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364263,00.asp"

What AT&T _should_ have said was "Alltel Customers Joining AT&T to
Receive Free Mobile Devices on the Nation's Fastest _3G_ Mobile
Broadband Network." That would have at least been true.

On 9/3/2010 8:48 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In message<[email protected]> John Navas
>> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
>>> <[email protected]>, SMS
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.
>>>
>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>> PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
>>
>>>> <http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...ad-speeds-67-f
>>> aster-than-its-competitors/>
>>
>> Based in the numbers, it looks like Sprint's EVDO coverage was used for
>> this test, not the new 4G network.
>>
>> Glad you trademarked "Wrong again(tm)"; if the shoe fits...
>
> t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
> in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.

No, T-Mobile is not as fast as AT&T or Sprint, but it's faster than Verizon.

Of course all this will change in a few months when Verizon deploys
their LTE network. Remember, based on the AT&T model, later copied by
Sprint you don't have to have your fasted coverage in every metro area,
just in some of them, in order to claim "the fastest network."

In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
> > in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.
>
> No, T-Mobile is not as fast as AT&T or Sprint, but it's faster than Verizon.

nope.

where t-mobile has deployed hspa+, it's very definitely faster than
other 3g providers, although on average, not by a whole lot compared to
sprint 4g (2960 versus 2875 kbps). however, peak speeds were much
faster (5442 versus 4066 kbps).

<http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/04...print-4g-vs-t-
mobile-hspa/>

the problem is finding hspa+, but it's in 55 markets so far with 21mbps
speeds and expected to double that to 42 mbps next year.

<http://phandroid.com/2010/08/31/t-mo...erage-to-nine-
new-cities-will-double-speeds-next-year/>

> Of course all this will change in a few months when Verizon deploys
> their LTE network. Remember, based on the AT&T model, later copied by
> Sprint you don't have to have your fasted coverage in every metro area,
> just in some of them, in order to claim "the fastest network."

exactly what t-mobile did.

On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:20:59 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/3/2010 8:48 PM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In message<[email protected]> John Navas
>>> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 02 Sep 2010 10:13:33 -0700, in
>>>> <[email protected]>, SMS
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Yes. In comparison tests, nationally the Sprint 4G network was the fastest.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>>> PC World: AT&T download speeds 67% faster than its competitors
>>>
>>>>> <http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/...ad-speeds-67-f
>>>> aster-than-its-competitors/>
>>>
>>> Based in the numbers, it looks like Sprint's EVDO coverage was used for
>>> this test, not the new 4G network.
>>>
>>> Glad you trademarked "Wrong again(tm)"; if the shoe fits...
>>
>> t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
>> in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.
>
>No, T-Mobile is not as fast as AT&T or Sprint, but it's faster than Verizon.

Wrong again(tm). I've got the numbers to prove it. You've got bupkis.
Probably because you've never actually used any of them.

>Of course all this will change in a few months when Verizon deploys
>their LTE network. Remember, based on the AT&T model, later copied by
>Sprint you don't have to have your fasted coverage in every metro area,
>just in some of them, in order to claim "the fastest network."

Verizon vaporware.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:20:59 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 9/3/2010 8:48 PM, nospam wrote:

>> t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
>> in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.
>
>No, T-Mobile is not as fast as AT&T or Sprint, but it's faster than Verizon.

Wrong again(tm):

"T-Mobile's HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds"
<http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=195614>
August 10, 2010

T-Mobile USA 's High-Speed Packet Access-Plus (HSPA+) offers download
speeds around 5 Mbit/s, which means the 3G upgrade rivals the
performance of the Clearwire LLC WiMax markets and puts it within
spitting distance of the promised capabilities of Verizon Wireless's
Long Term Evolution (LTE) network.

The HSPA+ upgrade promises top download speeds of 21 Mbit/s, in
theory, but average download speeds tend to offer a better gauge of
the actual performance users will experience. "In real-world speed
tests, third party reviewers have seen the webConnect Rocket laptop
stick, our first HSPA+ device, average download speeds in the 5 to 8
Mbit/s range... and peak speeds of 10 Mbit/s and higher," a T-Mobile
spokeswoman tells LR Mobile.

T-Mobile is citing tests by Walt Mossberg at The Wall Street Journal,
among others, for these average speeds. Mossberg found that the
laptop dongle delivered average speeds of 4.88 Mbit/s and 6.15 Mbit/s
in two separate locations.

Technology Business Research Inc. analyst Ken Hyers expects that
HSPA+ smartphones from T-Mobile, which are expected to start arriving
this fall, will deliver average downloads of around 5 Mbit/s in city
environments. T-MOBILE'S HSPA+ NETWORK IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN
ALMOST 50 MAJOR CITIES IN THE US. ... [emphasis added]

--
John

"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." -Mark Twain
"A little learning is a dangerous thing." -Alexander Pope
"Being ignorant is not so much a shame,
as being unwilling to learn." -Benjamin Franklin

On Sun, 05 Sep 2010 12:41:37 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 21:20:59 -0700, in
><[email protected]>, SMS
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 9/3/2010 8:48 PM, nospam wrote:
>
>>> t-mobile hspa+ is probably the fastest, but it's also the most limited
>>> in deployment. sprint is a little bit more available than t-mo hspa+.
>>
>>No, T-Mobile is not as fast as AT&T or Sprint, but it's faster than Verizon.
>
>Wrong again(tm):
>
>"T-Mobile's HSPA+ Rivals Clearwire, US LTE Speeds"
><http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=195614>

"T-Mobile officially announces G2 HSPA+ Android device"
<http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phones/t-mobile-officially-announces-g2-hspa-android-device/4520>

The only thing that T-Mobile has posted so far is an outline of the
device and the fact that it will support their HSPA+ network.
T-Mobile’s HSPA+ network has theoretical download speeds of 21 mbps
and upload of 5.7 mbps with typical actual speeds in the 7 to 11 mbps
range, which is still blazing fast for a wireless data network and
much faster than the Sprint 4G WiMAX network where 4G is more about
branding than actual speeds.

--
John

"Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]