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- 09-08-2010, 07:02 PM #1SMSGuest
"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
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- 09-08-2010, 07:44 PM #2danny bursteinGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
In <[email protected]> SMS <[email protected]> writes:
>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
with no mention of UMA, but...
... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
Thanks.
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- 09-08-2010, 09:45 PM #3SMSGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On 9/8/2010 6:44 PM, danny burstein wrote:
> In<[email protected]> SMS<[email protected]> writes:
>
>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>
> Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
> with no mention of UMA, but...
>
> ... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Pretty sure it is _not_ UMA capable.
- 09-09-2010, 09:25 AM #4John NavasGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:02:35 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>
>Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>
>If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>
>It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
Wrong again(tm):
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System#W-CDMA_.28UTRA-FDD.29>
The specific frequency bands originally defined by the UMTS standard
are 1885–2025 MHz for the mobile-to-base (uplink) and 2110–2200 MHz
for the base-to-mobile (downlink). In the US, 1710–1755 MHz and
2110–2155 MHz will be used instead, as the 1900 MHz band was already
utilized. While UMTS2100 is the most widely-deployed UMTS band,
some countries' UMTS operators use the 850 MHz and/or 1900 MHz bands
(independently, meaning uplink and downlink are within the same
band), notably in the US by AT&T Mobility, New Zealand by Telecom New
Zealand on the XT Mobile Network and in Australia by Telstra on the
Next G network.
--
John
"Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]
- 09-09-2010, 10:10 AM #5nospamGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
> >
> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
> >
> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
> >
> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>
> Wrong again(tm):
nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
- 09-09-2010, 10:39 AM #6SMSGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, John Navas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>>
>>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>>
>>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>>
>>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>
>> Wrong again(tm):
>
> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>
> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.
Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.
I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
all-in-one device.
- 09-09-2010, 11:04 AM #7John NavasGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:39:00 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, John Navas
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>>>
>>>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>>>
>>>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>>>
>>>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>>
>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>
>> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
>> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>>
>> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
>> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
>JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
>T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
>European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.
>
>Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
>in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
>Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
>netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
>voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
>of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
>Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
>price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.
>
>I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
>all-in-one device.
In other words, you don't even have relevant experience to back up the
unsupported pronouncements you are making.
--
John
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
- 09-09-2010, 01:05 PM #8John NavasGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0600, in
<[email protected]>, "Todd Allcock"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:090920100910540826%[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
>>> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
>>> >
>>> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
>>> >
>>> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
>>> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
>>> >
>>> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
>>> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
>>>
>>> Wrong again(tm):
>>
>> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
>> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
>>
>> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
>> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
>Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
>Navaspeak into English, nospam!
>
>The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
>frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
>"non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
>sensibilities.
>
>While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
>that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
>a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
Or a civil personal comment on Usenet.
--
John
"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]
- 09-09-2010, 06:03 PM #9nospamGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
> >> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
> >> >
> >> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
> >> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
> >>
> >> Wrong again(tm):
> >
> > nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
> > for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
> >
> > there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
> > that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.
>
> Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
> Navaspeak into English, nospam!
>
> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
> sensibilities.
sure, it's a standard but it's not as common, making it a defacto
non-standard. perhaps it's hyperbole to refer to it as such, but his
point is that if you want to use it on t-mobile, it's not going to work
on 3g.
> While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
> that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
> a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
about that, yea
- 09-09-2010, 06:08 PM #10SMSGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On 9/9/2010 11:19 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
> sensibilities.
LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
much better!
> While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
> frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
> information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
learning the futility of engaging him.
- 09-10-2010, 03:05 AM #11nospamGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
> respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
> learning the futility of engaging him.
i'm well aware, but his comments sometimes need challenging. he has me
killfiled, which makes it a lot easier.
- 09-11-2010, 08:27 AM #12John NavasGuest
Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:08:10 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 9/9/2010 11:19 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
>
>> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
>> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
>> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
>> sensibilities.
>
>LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
>much better!
>
> > While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
> > frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
> > information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.
>
>I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
>respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. ...
The record says otherwise. Hoisted with your own petard.
--
John
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford
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