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  1. #1
    SMS
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    "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"

    Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W

    If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.

    It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.



    See More: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120




  2. #2
    danny burstein
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    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    In <[email protected]> SMS <[email protected]> writes:

    >"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"


    >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W


    >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.


    >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.


    Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
    with no mention of UMA, but...

    ... but that may, or may not, mean anything.

    Thanks.


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  3. #3
    SMS
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    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On 9/8/2010 6:44 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    > In<[email protected]> SMS<[email protected]> writes:
    >
    >> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"

    >
    >> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W

    >
    >> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.

    >
    >> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.

    >
    > Can you tell whether it's UMA capable? It talks about WIFI
    > with no mention of UMA, but...
    >
    > ... but that may, or may not, mean anything.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    >


    Pretty sure it is _not_ UMA capable.



  4. #4
    John Navas
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    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:02:35 -0700, in
    <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
    >
    >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
    >
    >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    >
    >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.


    Wrong again(tm):

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System#W-CDMA_.28UTRA-FDD.29>

    The specific frequency bands originally defined by the UMTS standard
    are 1885–2025 MHz for the mobile-to-base (uplink) and 2110–2200 MHz
    for the base-to-mobile (downlink). In the US, 1710–1755 MHz and
    2110–2155 MHz will be used instead, as the 1900 MHz band was already
    utilized. While UMTS2100 is the most widely-deployed UMTS band,
    some countries' UMTS operators use the 850 MHz and/or 1900 MHz bands
    (independently, meaning uplink and downlink are within the same
    band), notably in the US by AT&T Mobility, New Zealand by Telecom New
    Zealand on the XT Mobile Network and in Australia by Telstra on the
    Next G network.

    --
    John

    "Facts? We ain't got no facts. We don't need no facts. I don't have
    to show you any stinking facts!" [with apologies to John Huston]



  5. #5
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=

    > >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
    > >
    > >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
    > >
    > >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    > >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    > >
    > >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    > >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.

    >
    > Wrong again(tm):


    nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
    for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900

    there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
    that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.



  6. #6
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
    > In article<[email protected]>, John Navas
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
    >>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
    >>>
    >>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
    >>>
    >>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    >>>
    >>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.

    >>
    >> Wrong again(tm):

    >
    > nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
    > for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
    >
    > there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
    > that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.


    JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
    T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
    European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.

    Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
    in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
    Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
    netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
    voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
    of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
    Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
    price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.

    I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
    all-in-one device.



  7. #7
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:39:00 -0700, in
    <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 9/9/2010 9:10 AM, nospam wrote:
    >> In article<[email protected]>, John Navas
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>>> "http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
    >>>> us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
    >>>>
    >>>> Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
    >>>>
    >>>> If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >>>> T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    >>>>
    >>>> It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >>>> T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
    >>>
    >>> Wrong again(tm):

    >>
    >> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
    >> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
    >>
    >> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
    >> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.

    >
    >JWOC®, but for a voice phone it's fine, and 2G data will still work on
    >T-Mobile. No 2100 MHz either so it's not usable in Japan or on any
    >European 2100 MHz 3G networks either.
    >
    >Right now I have only a very basic quad band unlocked GSM phone for use
    >in Europe and Asia, and it has no Wi-Fi. Often I'd like a phone with
    >Wi-Fi at the trade shows I go to in Asia so I don't have to carry the
    >netbook. But I think I'll probably stick with my el-cheapo V195 for
    >voice and carry an iPod Touch for wi-fi since I prefer the larger screen
    >of the iPod Touch to the E63. What I'd really like to see is some
    >Android based devices similar to the iPod Touch (including similar in
    >price), without all the limitations of the iPod devices.
    >
    >I'll wait for the LTE/GSM Android products before I splurge on an
    >all-in-one device.


    In other words, you don't even have relevant experience to back up the
    unsupported pronouncements you are making.

    --
    John

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



  8. #8
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0600, in
    <[email protected]>, "Todd Allcock"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >
    >"nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:090920100910540826%[email protected]...
    >> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> >>"http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2592700&cs=04&c=
    >>> >us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335"
    >>> >
    >>> >Use code Q3461PLM?K0?0W
    >>> >
    >>> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    >>> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    >>> >
    >>> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    >>> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
    >>>
    >>> Wrong again(tm):

    >>
    >> nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
    >> for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
    >>
    >> there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
    >> that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.

    >
    >Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
    >Navaspeak into English, nospam!
    >
    >The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
    >frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
    >"non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
    >sensibilities.
    >
    >While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
    >that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
    >a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.


    Or a civil personal comment on Usenet.

    --
    John

    "Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
    [Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]



  9. #9
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> >If you need an inexpensive unlocked quad-band, Wi-Fi phone for prepaid
    > >> >T-Mobile or AT&T or for overseas travel, this is a pretty good deal.
    > >> >
    > >> >It's 3G but only on the standard frequencies, so you won't get 3G on
    > >> >T-Mobile's 1700 MHz band.
    > >>
    > >> Wrong again(tm):

    > >
    > > nope. he's exactly correct and *you're* wrong (again). from the specs
    > > for that phone, it lists: WCDMA (UMTS) / GSM 850/900/1800/1900
    > >
    > > there is no mention of 1700 or aws, which is the 3g that t-mobile uses.
    > > that means that it won't work on 3g if it's used with t-mobile.

    >
    > Gee, after all this time, you'd think you'd have learned to translate
    > Navaspeak into English, nospam!
    >
    > The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
    > frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
    > "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
    > sensibilities.


    sure, it's a standard but it's not as common, making it a defacto
    non-standard. perhaps it's hyperbole to refer to it as such, but his
    point is that if you want to use it on t-mobile, it's not going to work
    on 3g.

    > While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS frequency
    > that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful information in
    > a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.


    about that, yea



  10. #10
    SMS
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On 9/9/2010 11:19 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:

    > The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
    > frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
    > "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
    > sensibilities.


    LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
    much better!

    > While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
    > frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
    > information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.


    I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
    respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
    learning the futility of engaging him.



  11. #11
    nospam
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    In article <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
    > respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. nospam is no doubt
    > learning the futility of engaging him.


    i'm well aware, but his comments sometimes need challenging. he has me
    killfiled, which makes it a lot easier.



  12. #12
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Unlocked Nokia E63 on sale at Dell for $120

    On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:08:10 -0700, in
    <[email protected]>, SMS
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On 9/9/2010 11:19 AM, Todd Allcock wrote:
    >
    >> The "Wrong againT" doesn't refer to Steven's description of the included
    >> frequencies, but his description of T-Mo's wonky 3G frequency as
    >> "non-standard," which, I assume is an affront to John's T-Mo-centric
    >> sensibilities.

    >
    >LOL, so that's what TM stands for "T-Mobile." That's why JWOC® is so
    >much better!
    >
    > > While technically a "standard," finding a phone with T-Mo's AWS
    > > frequency that isn't T-Mo branded, is almost as rare as finding useful
    > > information in a Scharf/Navas Usenet pissing match.

    >
    >I've had him kill-filed for years now to remove the temptation to
    >respond. If there's a pissing match, it's one way. ...


    The record says otherwise. Hoisted with your own petard.

    --
    John

    "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
    difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
    boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." --Gene Spafford



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