The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

On 12/7/2010 3:11 PM, Paul Murray wrote:
> On 2010-12-07, Hadron<[email protected]> wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH<[email protected]> writes:
>>> On 2010-12-07, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
>>> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
>>> includes electrocuting puppies?
>> Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....
>
> Not to get in the way of a good fight, but Edison did electrocute many animals,
> up to and including an elephant, to demonstrate the dangers of AC electricity
> and campaign for his preferred solution of DC electricity.

DC will electrocute you as efficiently as AC. Up until just a few years
ago, there was a small piece of New York City that ran on DC. That was
the reason for a lot of equipment that would run on AC or DC.
It was finally converted to AC a few years ago.

The big advantage of AC is the ability to generate low voltage, high
current and transform it to high voltage and low current and thus avoid
I^2R losses in transmission.

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On 12/7/2010 5:10 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Paul
> Murray<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-12-07, Hadron<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> JEDIDIAH<[email protected]> writes:
>>>> On 2010-12-07, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>>> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
>>>> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
>>>> includes electrocuting puppies?
>>> Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....
>>
>> Not to get in the way of a good fight, but Edison did electrocute many
>> animals,
>> up to and including an elephant, to demonstrate the dangers of AC electricity
>> and campaign for his preferred solution of DC electricity.
>
> And tortured a guy they tried to execute using AC. Turns out it was
> Edison's DC that was lethal despite his claims.
>

Either AC or DC can kill you if the voltage is high enough to pass a
high enough current through your body.

On 12/7/2010 2:10 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Paul
> Murray<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2010-12-07, Hadron<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> JEDIDIAH<[email protected]> writes:
>>>> On 2010-12-07, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>>>> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
>>>> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
>>>> includes electrocuting puppies?
>>> Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....
>>
>> Not to get in the way of a good fight, but Edison did electrocute many
>> animals,
>> up to and including an elephant, to demonstrate the dangers of AC electricity
>> and campaign for his preferred solution of DC electricity.
>
> And tortured a guy they tried to execute using AC. Turns out it was
> Edison's DC that was lethal despite his claims.

Well Edison would be pleased that the long distance high voltage
transmission lines are DC for a variety of reasons including lower losses.

In article <[email protected]>, Richard B.
Gilbert <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 12/7/2010 5:10 PM, Invid Fan wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, Paul
> > Murray<[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2010-12-07, Hadron<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> JEDIDIAH<[email protected]> writes:
> >>>> On 2010-12-07, Oxford<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
> >>>> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
> >>>> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them
> >>>> that
> >>>> includes electrocuting puppies?
> >>> Nurse Ratchet! More meds to the secure wing please for Crazy Jed ....
> >>
> >> Not to get in the way of a good fight, but Edison did electrocute many
> >> animals,
> >> up to and including an elephant, to demonstrate the dangers of AC
> >> electricity
> >> and campaign for his preferred solution of DC electricity.
> >
> > And tortured a guy they tried to execute using AC. Turns out it was
> > Edison's DC that was lethal despite his claims.
> >
>
> Either AC or DC can kill you if the voltage is high enough to pass a
> high enough current through your body.

True, but there's killing and then there's killing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_chair

"The first person to be executed via the electric chair was William
Kemmler in New York's Auburn Prison on August 6, 1890; the "state
electrician" was Edwin Davis. The first 17-second passage of current
through Kemmler caused unconsciousness, but failed to stop his heart
and breathing. The attending physicians, Edward Charles Spitzka and
Charles F. Macdonald, came forward to examine Kemmler. After confirming
Kemmler was still alive, Spitzka reportedly called out, "Have the
current turned on again, quick, no delay."
The generator needed time to re-charge, however. In the second attempt,
Kemmler was shocked with 2,000 volts. Blood vessels under the skin
ruptured and bled, and his body caught fire.
In all, the entire execution took about eight minutes. George
Westinghouse later commented: "They would have done better using an
axe." A reporter who witnessed it also said it was "an awful spectacle,
far worse than hanging.""

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JEDIDIAH <[email protected]> wrote:

> You mean he lies, cheats, and steals. He breaks promises to his most
> promising young engineers and then mounts a FUD campaign against them that
> includes electrocuting puppies?
>
> I had saved that distinction for Bill Gates but we can pass that mantle
> onto Stevie boy if you really insist.

I doubt Steve would lie or cheat, that's never been his approach. He's
about karma and doing the best to make the world a better place.

Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:

> >wrong. apple *paid* xerox.
>
> OK, but it was not Jobs that thought up the idea.

yes, Steve / Apple paid fair and square to see some of the ideas PARC
were working on, in today's dollars it's several billion.

Apple went back and created everything from scratch, so they never
"stole" anything, the facts hurt some times.

Today, EVERYONE uses the Macintosh UI, not the Xerox one for example.

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:04:20 -0700, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
>
>> >wrong. apple *paid* xerox.
>>
>> OK, but it was not Jobs that thought up the idea.
>
>yes, Steve / Apple paid fair and square to see some of the ideas PARC
>were working on, in today's dollars it's several billion.
>
>Apple went back and created everything from scratch, so they never
>"stole" anything, the facts hurt some times.
>
>Today, EVERYONE uses the Macintosh UI, not the Xerox one for example.

Xerox had all the components of WIMP. The rest is incremental.

Tommy the Troll stated in post [email protected] on
12/7/10 6:20 PM:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:04:20 -0700, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>> wrong. apple *paid* xerox.
>>>
>>> OK, but it was not Jobs that thought up the idea.
>>
>> yes, Steve / Apple paid fair and square to see some of the ideas PARC
>> were working on, in today's dollars it's several billion.
>>
>> Apple went back and created everything from scratch, so they never
>> "stole" anything, the facts hurt some times.
>>
>> Today, EVERYONE uses the Macintosh UI, not the Xerox one for example.
>
> Xerox had all the components of WIMP. The rest is incremental.

Yes, Xerox had the basics of WIMP first... and had no idea what to do with
it. Apple (Jobs) saw it and paid for it... and made it into something
anyone could use. Gates and crew then, pretty much, copied it.

Now Apple is doing much the same with tablets... creating something for
others to copy. They did not come up with all of the mutlitouch ideas
themselves, of course, but Apple is the company which was able to put it all
together into an excellent product. Others will follow... or try to.


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On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:23:42 +0000, Larry Mobile wrote:

> Invid Fan <[email protected]> wrote in news:071220101710052388%
> [email protected]:
>
>> And tortured a guy they tried to execute using AC. Turns out it was
>> Edison's DC that was lethal despite his claims.
>>
>>
>
> Aha! I'm not the only Tesla fan!
>
> I was at the extensive Edison exhibit at the Smithsonian, where they
> refuse to give Tesla his credits....or did until recently. One of the
> staff asked me how I liked the Edison exhibit.....

I visited the site of his lab and it gives me goose bumps just
standing there thinking about how brilliant a man he was and how
under acknowledged his work is.


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ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-F704BD.17203207122010
@Port80.Individual.NET:

> It's precisely Jobs's vision that makes the difference.
>

That astute observation will make for a very interesting stock market watch
the week Jobs dies.....

flatfish+++ <[email protected]> wrote in news:1i8fvgfd72nnw
[email protected]:

> I visited the site of his lab and it gives me goose bumps just
> standing there thinking about how brilliant a man he was and how
> under acknowledged his work is.
>
>

One very underreported phenomenon Tesla created was the earthquake under
his lab in NYC. His creation of the HAARP weapon was simply amazing.

The Feds still won't let anyone see all his files the Feds stole from his
hotel room the day he died.

He offered the Navy a remotely controlled submarine, decades before that
sub became remotely piloted torpedoes used today.

There are so many patents you never hear anything about, like his
vaneless steam turbine that put out 260HP using very closely spaced disks
in a car-engine-sized package. The water screw pump he invented for
someone's water fountain, used today to drain vast areas of wetlands,
including flooded New Orleans. All Tesla inventions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-AS13fl30
Fifty Five kilowatts....That'll make a meter spin!

On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 02:26:57 +0000, Fred wrote:

> flatfish+++ <[email protected]> wrote in news:1i8fvgfd72nnw
> [email protected]:
>
>> I visited the site of his lab and it gives me goose bumps just
>> standing there thinking about how brilliant a man he was and how
>> under acknowledged his work is.
>>
>>
>
> One very underreported phenomenon Tesla created was the earthquake under
> his lab in NYC. His creation of the HAARP weapon was simply amazing.
>
> The Feds still won't let anyone see all his files the Feds stole from his
> hotel room the day he died.
>
> He offered the Navy a remotely controlled submarine, decades before that
> sub became remotely piloted torpedoes used today.
>
> There are so many patents you never hear anything about, like his
> vaneless steam turbine that put out 260HP using very closely spaced disks
> in a car-engine-sized package. The water screw pump he invented for
> someone's water fountain, used today to drain vast areas of wetlands,
> including flooded New Orleans. All Tesla inventions.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-AS13fl30
> Fifty Five kilowatts....That'll make a meter spin!

The guy is truly a controversy machine!
I'm sure some of what is talked about probably has some truth in it
or the US Govt. wouldn't be so secretive about it.


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In article <[email protected]>,
Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 18:04:20 -0700, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Tommy the Troll <tom_elamatearthlinkdotnet> wrote:
> >
> >> >wrong. apple *paid* xerox.
> >>
> >> OK, but it was not Jobs that thought up the idea.
> >
> >yes, Steve / Apple paid fair and square to see some of the ideas PARC
> >were working on, in today's dollars it's several billion.
> >
> >Apple went back and created everything from scratch, so they never
> >"stole" anything, the facts hurt some times.
> >
> >Today, EVERYONE uses the Macintosh UI, not the Xerox one for example.
>
> Xerox had all the components of WIMP. The rest is incremental.

Since you Wintrolls never change your tune, here's a nice quote from a
post I made almost two years ago:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
People claim Apple "stole the GUI", but if you look at the systems Apple
was influenced by, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that while Apple
didn't invent graphical user interface generally, they largely did
invent the *specific* graphical user interface that all modern systems
implement with various minor differences.

Apple invented the trash can, grayed-out and checked off menu items,
drag and drop, the concept of showing the entire file system hierarchy
via GUI icons, the first general purpose mechanism for associating files
with the applications that should open them when they were double
clicked. For that matter, Apple invented double-clicking itself.

These are deep, basic GUI conventions that Apple is often not given
credit for precisely because they have become so ubiquitous that most
people have trouble seeing how GUIs could work any differently.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

You can claim these are "incremental", but it's hard to think of later
basic UI innovations by other parties that are as significant.

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On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:24:14 -0500, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:

> Now Apple is doing much the same with tablets... creating something for
> others to copy. ...

The tablet idea is close to 20 years old. Apple had something of the sort in their Newton.
Casio had something similar in their Z1 = Tandy/RadioShack Z-Pad. NCR 3125 and Grid Pen-
Convertible and numerous others all had MS Win 3.1 "for Pen Computing" -- all circa 1993.

It's *that* ancient history, premature in its day back then, that is finally getting its
day in the sun today ... not just "Apple ... creating something for others to copy."

Cheers, -- tlvp
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tlvp stated in post [email protected] on 12/7/10
8:15 PM:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:24:14 -0500, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now Apple is doing much the same with tablets... creating something for
>> others to copy. ...
>
> The tablet idea is close to 20 years old. Apple had something of the sort in
> their Newton.
> Casio had something similar in their Z1 = Tandy/RadioShack Z-Pad. NCR 3125 and
> Grid Pen-
> Convertible and numerous others all had MS Win 3.1 "for Pen Computing" -- all
> circa 1993.
>
> It's *that* ancient history, premature in its day back then, that is finally
> getting its
> day in the sun today ... not just "Apple ... creating something for others to
> copy."
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

By all means show the iPad-like pad with multitouch and a similar UI.


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