The Mind of Steve Jobs - Excellent!

In article <[email protected]>,
Fred <[email protected]> wrote:

> ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-F704BD.17203207122010
> @Port80.Individual.NET:
>
> > It's precisely Jobs's vision that makes the difference.
> >
>
> That astute observation will make for a very interesting stock market watch
> the week Jobs dies.....

Yeah, I own a fair bit of Apple stock, and I've thought about that. Odds
are he won't just keel over one day, though. Probably he'll take another
supposedly temporary medical leave, and by the time it becomes clear
he's really not going back, the company will have been running without
incident for six or eight months or whatever already, and it'll all be
really hazy what his role is.

Mind you, given the timescales Apple seems to plan on, we won't really
know if the company is OK post-Jobs until probably three years after he
leaves. But most investors won't be thinking that far ahead.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes

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On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, Oxford wrote:

> I doubt Steve would lie or cheat, that's never been his approach. He's
> about karma and doing the best to make the world a better place.


Oh?

"When Jobs had his own illegitimate child, also at the age of 23, he too
struggled with his responsibilities. For two years, though already
wealthy, he denied paternity while Lisa's mother went on welfare. At one
point Jobs even swore in a signed court document that he couldn't be
Lisa's father because he was "sterile and infertile, and as a result
thereof, did not have the physical capacity to procreate a child." He
later acknowledged paternity of Lisa, married ... and fathered three
more children."

(attributed to Peter
Elkind, Fortune, 3/5/2008)

In article <[email protected]>,
tlvp <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:24:14 -0500, Snit
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Now Apple is doing much the same with tablets... creating something
> > for others to copy. ...
>
> The tablet idea is close to 20 years old. Apple had something of the
> sort in their Newton. Casio had something similar in their Z1 =
> Tandy/RadioShack Z-Pad. NCR 3125 and Grid Pen- Convertible and
> numerous others all had MS Win 3.1 "for Pen Computing" -- all circa
> 1993.
>
> It's *that* ancient history, premature in its day back then, that is
> finally getting its day in the sun today ... not just "Apple ...
> creating something for others to copy."
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

The tablet concept is more like 42 years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabook

There's a big difference between coming up with a general concept for a
device, and figuring out how to arrange all the elements to actually
make the device useful to millions of people.

While people with a certain mentality are very impressed with the
former, and tend to dismiss the latter, in most cases the latter is a
lot harder. General concepts typically arise within social contexts in
which they simultaneously become obvious to many people. Odds are
thousands of people thought of, say, Facebook, but only a handful made a
serious effort at implementation, and only one implementation was good
enough to be a breakout success.

--
"The game of professional investment is intolerably boring and over-exacting to
anyone who is entirely exempt from the gambling instinct; whilst he who has it
must pay to this propensity the appropriate toll." -- John Maynard Keynes

tlvp stated in post [email protected] on 12/7/10
8:15 PM:

> On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 20:24:14 -0500, Snit <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Now Apple is doing much the same with tablets... creating something for
>> others to copy. ...
>
> The tablet idea is close to 20 years old. Apple had something of the sort in
> their Newton. Casio had something similar in their Z1 = Tandy/RadioShack
> Z-Pad. NCR 3125 and Grid Pen- Convertible and numerous others all had MS Win
> 3.1 "for Pen Computing" -- all circa 1993.
>
> It's *that* ancient history, premature in its day back then, that is finally
> getting its day in the sun today ... not just "Apple ... creating something
> for others to copy."
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp

Name other *similar* tablets.

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[INSERT .SIG HERE]

On Dec 6, 10:49*pm, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/video/63722844/
>
> oxford

I watched it, and I personally thought it was very interesting. I
especially love documentaries that center around the PC industry. I
respect Jobs for the visionary that he is -- it seems to me that only
a handful of people in this world have the ability to do what he does,
to organize, manage, motivate, and lead pools of talent in order to
create products that people are excited about.

--
Erich K.

In article <[email protected]>, Oxford
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I doubt Steve would lie or cheat, that's never been his approach. He's
> about karma and doing the best to make the world a better place.

read one of the books about him and early apple. it is not as rosy as
you think.

ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-677DC7.22354807122010
@Port80.Individual.NET:

> But most investors won't be thinking that far ahead.
>

True fanboi investors will stick around, no matter what.

Most investors, if you'll remember the investors SUING Apple to get hard
information on Jobs' health during his medical leave, will simply DUMP IT,
panic investor confidence.

That's the trouble with one-man-shows run my megalomaniacs.

News <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 12/7/2010 8:00 PM, Oxford wrote:
>
>> I doubt Steve would lie or cheat, that's never been his approach. He's
>> about karma and doing the best to make the world a better place.
>
>
> Oh?
>
> "When Jobs had his own illegitimate child, also at the age of 23, he
too
> struggled with his responsibilities. For two years, though already
> wealthy, he denied paternity while Lisa's mother went on welfare. At
one
> point Jobs even swore in a signed court document that he couldn't be
> Lisa's father because he was "sterile and infertile, and as a result
> thereof, did not have the physical capacity to procreate a child." He
> later acknowledged paternity of Lisa, married ... and fathered three
> more children."
>
> (attributed to Peter
> Elkind, Fortune, 3/5/2008)
>

What a wonderful guy......a role model to us all!

It's probably best they don't let me wear robes in Family Court.....(c;]

In article <[email protected]>,
flatfish+++ <[email protected]> wrote:

> The guy is truly a controversy machine!
> I'm sure some of what is talked about probably has some truth in it
> or the US Govt. wouldn't be so secretive about it.

Julian Assange is going to release all the Tesla files as soon as he's
done his porridge.
--
Next year in Sarajevo ...

On 12/7/2010 7:15 PM, tlvp wrote:

> It's *that* ancient history, premature in its day back then, that is
> finally getting its
> day in the sun today ... not just "Apple ... creating something for
> others to copy."

What Apple did, and deserves credit for, is to take the tablet idea and
create a successful consumer product. Until the iPad, there were a lot
of tablets but they were mainly used in vertical markets because they
were too expensive, too heavy, and had too short a battery life.
Consumers didn't want a $1500 four pound tablet with a three hour
battery life, even if it could run all their current Windows
applications. Microsoft didn't understand that. Win XP Tablet was
actually a very good OS, with outstanding handwriting to text
conversion, but as it turned out, no one really cared about handwriting
to text.

Apple is very good at understanding why other companies have failed with
a new technology or product and creating a successful product. They
didn't have the first GUI based computer, the first tablet, or the first
flash based music player, but they had the first successful consumer
implementations of those products. The technology is actually the easy
part, it's creating compelling consumer products that's so difficult,
and what Jobs is so good at.

"Oxford" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
see why we are all involved with computing.

Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...


Actually - "The Snake Oil Salesman of the Century".

Take a common, mediocre, overpriced product, hype the **** out of it, and
count your money. The best business plan available.

Except for the one at MS. Corner a market, mark up the price to phenomenal
proportions, and make more money than anyone.

On 12/8/10 12:35 AM, in article [email protected],
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

> ZnU <[email protected]> wrote in news:znu-677DC7.22354807122010
> @Port80.Individual.NET:
>
>> But most investors won't be thinking that far ahead.
>>
>
> True fanboi investors will stick around, no matter what.
>
> Most investors, if you'll remember the investors SUING Apple to get hard
> information on Jobs' health during his medical leave, will simply DUMP IT,
> panic investor confidence.
>
> That's the trouble with one-man-shows run my megalomaniacs.
>
Folks, Larry the Daytrader is just pissed that he let AAPL go at 18 bucks a
share and has been whip lashed by it ever since. He is obsessed.

Lar: But n' HOLD, you dumbassed S.O.B. Can you not get that through that
thick skull of yours?!?

On 12/8/2010 10:07 AM, Uncle Max wrote:
>
>
> "Oxford" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
>
> Actually - "The Snake Oil Salesman of the Century".
>
> Take a common, mediocre, overpriced product, hype the **** out of it,
> and count your money. The best business plan available.
>
> Except for the one at MS. Corner a market, mark up the price to
> phenomenal proportions, and make more money than anyone.

How about Michael Dell?

On 12/8/10 10:07 AM, Uncle Max wrote:
>
>
> "Oxford" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
>
> Actually - "The Snake Oil Salesman of the Century".
>
> Take a common, mediocre, overpriced product, hype the **** out of it,
> and count your money. The best business plan available.
>
> Except for the one at MS. Corner a market, mark up the price to
> phenomenal proportions, and make more money than anyone.


Perhaps you might bless us with a list of the successful products you've
either invented, assembled, or marketed...???

"HarryK" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

On 12/8/10 10:07 AM, Uncle Max wrote:
>
>
> "Oxford" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Not sure everyone has seen this, but it's clearly worth 48 minutes to
> see why we are all involved with computing.
>
> Steve Jobs is the Thomas Edison of our times, so enjoy...
>
>
> Actually - "The Snake Oil Salesman of the Century".
>
> Take a common, mediocre, overpriced product, hype the **** out of it,
> and count your money. The best business plan available.
>
> Except for the one at MS. Corner a market, mark up the price to
> phenomenal proportions, and make more money than anyone.


>Perhaps you might bless us with a list of the successful products you've
>either invented, assembled, or marketed...???

Do you have a problem with my complimentary post?