Verizon iPhone versus Verizon Android devices

In message <[email protected]> SMS
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>1. No dock connector. The added functionality of the Apple dock is very
>useful. A defined dock connector would have been a big selling point for
>Android because it would have enabled an ecosystem similar to what's
>sprung up around the iPhone/iPod to have evolved. While there's a design
>for an open standard dock connector, there are no Android devices that
>use it yet, and of course no peripherals either. Such is the result of
>the fragmented Android market.

I love my desktop dock (I hate loose wires connected to loose devices)
however I'd be very tempted to trade it for a standard connector instead
of dragging around yet another proprietary cable for just one device.

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In message <[email protected]> SMS
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>On 1/11/2011 12:42 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] says...
>>
>>
>>>> Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
>>>> prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
>>>
>>> Except there are so many after-market accessories for the iPhone that
>>> they're just as cheap as "standard stuff."
>>
>> So? The point is, they're non-standard.
>>
>> And Apple pulls crap like that because they know they can get away with
>> it.
>
>But Apple's not making money from those aftermarket accessories.

You do need to be licensed to use the dock connector and Apple has sued
violators in the past.

From what I know a fee is charged but it's difficult to tell for sure,
you have to provide contact information to inquire further.

In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
> >> prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
> >
> >apple includes everything you need so there's no need to purchase
> >anything
>
> Everything you need? iPhones haven't come with a dock in years,

not that many people used the dock, especially if they have a case and
it won't fit anyway. that's why it's no longer included.

> nor
> have they ever come with a second charging cable and power adapter.

two? how many cellphones come with two chargers?

most people plug into a computer, so there's actually not a huge need
for a power adapter, and the ipods skip that.

> Heck, even just a second cable would be enough for many users, one for
> the power adapter and another to sync.

$3 on ebay for an apple branded sync cable, $1 from china but good luck
if it'll do more than charge (which is fine if you are only going to
use it with a power adapter).

In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
> >prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
>
> Didn't Apple sign on to that group of industry manufacturers in the EU
> that agreed to come up with a common connector to avoid regulation that
> would force the issue (potentially leaving them stuck with an out of
> date option later)?

yes and they're probably going to provide a free adapter.

In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
> >> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
> >
> > micro sd is limited to 32 gig and the iphone has that standard.
>
> No it doesn't. 16GB is standard. I have 8GB inbuilt in my droid and 16GB
> more in an SD slot.

16 & 32 gig are standard for the iphone 4, and 8 gig for the current
3gs (not the original).

> >> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
> >> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of use.
> >
> > the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
>
> Depends how much use it gets

true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.

nospam wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:40:40 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
>> >> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
>> >
>> > micro sd is limited to 32 gig and the iphone has that standard.
>>
>> No it doesn't. 16GB is standard. I have 8GB inbuilt in my droid and 16GB
>> more in an SD slot.
>
> 16 & 32 gig are standard for the iphone 4, and 8 gig for the current
> 3gs (not the original).

16GB is the model sold how much compared to the 32 GB?

>> >> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
>> >> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of use.
>> >
>> > the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
>>
>> Depends how much use it gets
>
> true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
> matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.

Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few seconds.

In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> >> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
> >> >> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of
> >> >> use.
> >> >
> >> > the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
> >>
> >> Depends how much use it gets
> >
> > true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
> > matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.
>
> Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
> a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few seconds.

how many people get email every few seconds? not many.

plus, if it was sitting on the night stand with that much email
traffic, why not plug it in? isn't there a power outlet behind the
night stand?

On 1/11/2011 9:32 PM, Justin wrote:
> nospam wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:40:40 -0500]:
>> In article<[email protected]>, Justin
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
>>>>> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
>>>>
>>>> micro sd is limited to 32 gig and the iphone has that standard.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't. 16GB is standard. I have 8GB inbuilt in my droid and 16GB
>>> more in an SD slot.
>>
>> 16& 32 gig are standard for the iphone 4, and 8 gig for the current
>> 3gs (not the original).
>
> 16GB is the model sold how much compared to the 32 GB?
>
>>>>> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
>>>>> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of use.
>>>>
>>>> the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
>>>
>>> Depends how much use it gets
>>
>> true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
>> matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.
>
> Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
> a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few seconds.

Let us say that "emails coming in every few seconds" means an average of
four messages a minute or 240 messages per hour or 1920 messages in
eight hours. Where does he find time to read all these messages and
respond?

Hyperbole??

nospam wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:39:38 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> >> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
>> >> >> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of
>> >> >> use.
>> >> >
>> >> > the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
>> >>
>> >> Depends how much use it gets
>> >
>> > true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
>> > matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.
>>
>> Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
>> a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few seconds.
>
> how many people get email every few seconds? not many.

True, but there was no other usage happening, just receiving email

> plus, if it was sitting on the night stand with that much email
> traffic, why not plug it in? isn't there a power outlet behind the
> night stand?

I have no idea! Sitting on a night stand for 7 hours it shouldn't be
running close to zero power with no usage

Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:42:23 -0500]:
> On 1/11/2011 9:32 PM, Justin wrote:
>> nospam wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:40:40 -0500]:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, Justin
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
>>>>>> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
>>>>>
>>>>> micro sd is limited to 32 gig and the iphone has that standard.
>>>>
>>>> No it doesn't. 16GB is standard. I have 8GB inbuilt in my droid and 16GB
>>>> more in an SD slot.
>>>
>>> 16& 32 gig are standard for the iphone 4, and 8 gig for the current
>>> 3gs (not the original).
>>
>> 16GB is the model sold how much compared to the 32 GB?
>>
>>>>>> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
>>>>>> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of use.
>>>>>
>>>>> the iphone generally does get through a day of use, usually more.
>>>>
>>>> Depends how much use it gets
>>>
>>> true, and most people are not away from a power outlet long enough to
>>> matter. as long as it lasts a day or so, they can charge it overnight.
>>
>> Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
>> a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few seconds.
>
> Let us say that "emails coming in every few seconds" means an average of
> four messages a minute or 240 messages per hour or 1920 messages in
> eight hours. Where does he find time to read all these messages and
> respond?

Did I say he read and responded to them all? No.

On weekends when there is production maintenance and the email alerting
system isn't turned off it's not uncommon.


I received 263 SMS messages from an errant alert in the span of 6 minutes
that night.

Justin wrote on [Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:32:27 +0000 (UTC)]:
> nospam wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:40:40 -0500]:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> >> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
>>> >> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
>>> >
>>> > micro sd is limited to 32 gig and the iphone has that standard.
>>>
>>> No it doesn't. 16GB is standard. I have 8GB inbuilt in my droid and 16GB
>>> more in an SD slot.
>>
>> 16 & 32 gig are standard for the iphone 4, and 8 gig for the current
>> 3gs (not the original).
>
> 16GB is the model sold how much compared to the 32 GB?

Now that I think about it, I wonder what your definition of standard is
if a car comes standard with 4 tyres, that doesn't mean that a low end model
comes with 3.

In message <[email protected]> Steve Sobol
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>Anyhow, I fail to see how choosing an industry-standard connector LIMITS
>choices. It's the other way around. The iPhone is the exception, but
>that's because the iPhone accessory market is mature and there are
>gazillions of iPhone users.

It limits the /manufacturer/ in terms of what features they can design
in. It doesn't limit the user, at least in most cases.

In message <110120112033029466%[email protected]> nospam
<[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
>> >> prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
>> >
>> >apple includes everything you need so there's no need to purchase
>> >anything
>>
>> Everything you need? iPhones haven't come with a dock in years,
>
>not that many people used the dock, especially if they have a case and
>it won't fit anyway. that's why it's no longer included.

My iPhone fits in my dock nicely enough with the case on -- Of course I
got a case that includes a dock insert, and use a dock that uses dock
adapters.

>> nor
>> have they ever come with a second charging cable and power adapter.
>
>two? how many cellphones come with two chargers?

I can't think of one. However you said "Apple includes everything you
need", which is not the case.

>most people plug into a computer, so there's actually not a huge need
>for a power adapter, and the ipods skip that.

Plugging in to a computer as a charging method is great when you need to
charge on the road.

DevilsPGD wrote on [Tue, 11 Jan 2011 20:47:00 -0800]:
> In message <110120112033029466%[email protected]> nospam
> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>>most people plug into a computer, so there's actually not a huge need
>>for a power adapter, and the ipods skip that.
>
> Plugging in to a computer as a charging method is great when you need to
> charge on the road.

And have extra time on your hands....

In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> nor
> >> have they ever come with a second charging cable and power adapter.
> >
> >two? how many cellphones come with two chargers?
>
> I can't think of one. However you said "Apple includes everything you
> need", which is not the case.

it is the case. apple includes a power adapter and a usb sync cable,
which is all you need to charge an iphone.

users might want additional cables and/or power adapters for
convenience but only one is required. i have several, but i don't
expect apple to include 4 of them in the box.