Verizon iPhone versus Verizon Android devices

In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> Huh, my bosses has lost power overnight sitting on the night stand from
> >> a full charge on a busy work night. I.e. emails coming in every few
> >> seconds.
> >
> > how many people get email every few seconds? not many.
>
> True, but there was no other usage happening, just receiving email

receiving email every 4 seconds is quite a bit.

> > plus, if it was sitting on the night stand with that much email
> > traffic, why not plug it in? isn't there a power outlet behind the
> > night stand?
>
> I have no idea! Sitting on a night stand for 7 hours it shouldn't be
> running close to zero power with no usage

no usage? just what do you call getting emails every 4 seconds? at that
rate, it wont' ever sleep.

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In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >>most people plug into a computer, so there's actually not a huge need
> >>for a power adapter, and the ipods skip that.
> >
> > Plugging in to a computer as a charging method is great when you need to
> > charge on the road.
>
> And have extra time on your hands....

what extra time? if you're sitting at your desk working on a desktop or
laptop computer, plug in the iphone. you're going to be sitting there
anyway.

SMS wrote:
> Having had a Droid for all of five days, the Verizon iPhone is going
> to be a huge hit.
>
> Negatives about the Droid
>
> 1. No dock connector. The added functionality of the Apple dock is
> very useful. A defined dock connector would have been a big selling
> point for Android because it would have enabled an ecosystem similar
> to what's sprung up around the iPhone/iPod to have evolved. While
> there's a design for an open standard dock connector, there are no
> Android devices that use it yet, and of course no peripherals either.
> Such is the result of the fragmented Android market.
>
> 2. No IPSEC VPN. This is a very big issue. Enterprises are not
> allowing Android based smart phones because of it. It's not a Cisco
> issue, it's an issue with the Android OS, that will not be fixed for
> probably
> another six months. I can't use my ISP's VPN for a secure connection
> over Wi-Fi.
>
> 3. Micro USB charger port. It's so much flimsier than the Mini USB
> port on my other phones, and flimsier than the iPod dock/charging
> connector.
> 4. Limited accessories. Since the Android market is so fragmented, and
> since there's no standard dock, you don't get any of the cool
> accessories like you do for the iPhone.
>
> Positives
>
> 1. Physical keyboard. A lot better than a virtual keyboard if you're
> doing a lot of texting or e-mail, but realistically, for most users,
> the virtual keyboard is sufficient.
>
> 2. MicroSD card slot. Since the Droid doesn't have as much flash
> available as the iPhone, this is essential.
>
> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want
> a spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day
> of use.
>
> Bottom line, the Verizon iPhone will be a huge seller. Most large
> businesses use Verizon, and they _require_ VPN to get into their
> corporate networks, which rules out Droid for now.
>
>Don't forget positive 4. Plays Flashplayer videos

If you think this is no big deal, wait until you see how many pages you
can't access correctly if at all.

Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in news:MPG.27962aac19a4f849989731
@news.justthe.net:

> Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
> prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
>
>
>

Steve, do you know what the "Apple Tax" is on 3rd parties using that
connector on their products? Whatever that dock connector is on seems
awful expensive, compared to similar products like speaker/amps that don't
have it. Apple loves the proprietary connector because they must be
licensing its use to outside vendors so you can plug in your itoys to their
stuff.

SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4d2ccb74$0$44014
[email protected]:

> But Apple's not making money from those aftermarket accessories.

I bet that's not true. Everything with that damned dock connector on it is
quite a bit more expensive than similar stuff without it. I bet Apple gets
a license fee for every dock connector that's sold.

In article <[email protected]>, Still-Just-A-
[email protected] says...
>
> In message <[email protected]> Steve Sobol
> <[email protected]> was claimed to have wrote:
>
> >Anyhow, I fail to see how choosing an industry-standard connector LIMITS
> >choices. It's the other way around. The iPhone is the exception, but
> >that's because the iPhone accessory market is mature and there are
> >gazillions of iPhone users.
>
> It limits the /manufacturer/ in terms of what features they can design
> in. It doesn't limit the user, at least in most cases.

Exactly.

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Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
[email protected]

In article <120120110004254292%[email protected]>,
[email protected]d says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>, DevilsPGD
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> nor
> > >> have they ever come with a second charging cable and power adapter.
> > >
> > >two? how many cellphones come with two chargers?
> >
> > I can't think of one. However you said "Apple includes everything you
> > need", which is not the case.
>
> it is the case. apple includes a power adapter and a usb sync cable,
> which is all you need to charge an iphone.
>
> users might want additional cables and/or power adapters for
> convenience but only one is required. i have several, but i don't
> expect apple to include 4 of them in the box.


My new smartphone uses a lot of juice.

I can charge it using the charger (and actually, the charger is just a
stub that you plug a USB cable into), I can charge it by plugging it
into a USB jack on my laptop, or I can charge it and play music off it
by plugging it into the USB jack in my car.

That's a lot of flexibility. I like flexibility.

--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in news:MPG.27962aac19a4f849989731
> @news.justthe.net:
>
> > Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
> > prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
> >


> Steve, do you know what the "Apple Tax" is on 3rd parties using that
> connector on their products?

No. You don't have to buy the accessories from Apple, and they're not
horribly expensive because the market is pretty large; but as I pointed
out just now, my HTC MyTouch 4G can charge using the charger, plugged
into my laptop, plugged into my car's USB port... anywhere a USB port is
available.




--
Steve Sobol - Programming/Web Dev/IT Support
Apple Valley, CA
[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> 3. Replaceable battery. If you use Wi-Fi a lot, you actually may want a
> spare battery and an external charger, just to get through one day of use.

I got a spare external battery from Monoprice.com for about $10. It
connects to the dock connector and charges the internal battery or lets
you use the iPhone while charging.

It doesn't stay in place though. You can get a case with an integrated
battery for about $25 from Monoprice.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> 3. Micro USB charger port. It's so much flimsier than the Mini USB
> > port
> >
> > Everyone's going to micro USB... except companies like Apple that still
> > prefer to make you purchase proprietary accessories.
>
> Except there are so many after-market accessories for the iPhone that
> they're just as cheap as "standard stuff." Or included with devices,
> i.e. the replacement stereo I purchased for a vehicle included an iPod
> cable for charging and audio, but if you want to use the Droid with it
> you buy one MicroUSB charging cable, and one audio cable, and plug the
> audio cable into the amplified headphone jack, rather than using the
> line-out audio like on the iPhone.

I think Apple signed on to an EU mandate for micro or mini USB charger
plugs.

But that might mean that they bundle a USB to mini USB connector to
attach to the other end of the dock connector cable and the charger,
instead of having a female USB port has a micro/mini USB port.

On 11/01/11 9:16 PM, Carl wrote:

>> Don't forget positive 4. Plays Flashplayer videos
>
> If you think this is no big deal, wait until you see how many pages you
> can't access correctly if at all.

I just attended a Photoshop User's Group presentation by Russell Brown.
He showed apps for photographers for both the Galaxy Tab and the iPad.
It was noted (more than once) that you can play Flash galleries of
photos (such as the New York Times photo galleries) on the Tab. Russell
also said that the screen on the Tab displayed photos better than the iPad.

I've been lusting after an iPad. After his presentation, I'm going to
take a good look at the Galaxy Tab instead.

But I'm still not thrilled with my Droid, and will likely get an iPhone
to replace it when the time comes.

I'm open to using almost anything, just as long as the device isn't
running Windoze. :-)

jc

On 11/01/11 9:16 PM, Carl wrote:

>> Don't forget positive 4. Plays Flashplayer videos
>
> If you think this is no big deal, wait until you see how many pages you
> can't access correctly if at all.

I just attended a Photoshop User's Group presentation by Russell Brown.
He showed apps for photographers for both the Galaxy Tab and the iPad.
It was noted (more than once) that you can play Flash galleries of
photos (such as the New York Times photo galleries) on the Tab. Russell
also said that the screen on the Tab displayed photos better than the iPad.

I've been lusting after an iPad. After his presentation, I'm going to
take a good look at the Galaxy Tab instead.

But I'm still not thrilled with my Droid, and will likely get an iPhone
to replace it when the time comes.

I'm open to using almost anything, just as long as the device isn't
running Windoze. :-)

jc

In article <[email protected]>, Steve Sobol
<[email protected]> wrote:

> My new smartphone uses a lot of juice.

they all do, some more than others.

> I can charge it using the charger (and actually, the charger is just a
> stub that you plug a USB cable into), I can charge it by plugging it
> into a USB jack on my laptop, or I can charge it and play music off it
> by plugging it into the USB jack in my car.

exactly like an iphone or ipod.

In article <[email protected]>, Fred
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > But Apple's not making money from those aftermarket accessories.
>
> I bet that's not true. Everything with that damned dock connector on it is
> quite a bit more expensive than similar stuff without it. I bet Apple gets
> a license fee for every dock connector that's sold.

examples? oh right, you don't have any.

nospam wrote on [Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:09:57 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >>most people plug into a computer, so there's actually not a huge need
>> >>for a power adapter, and the ipods skip that.
>> >
>> > Plugging in to a computer as a charging method is great when you need to
>> > charge on the road.
>>
>> And have extra time on your hands....
>
> what extra time? if you're sitting at your desk working on a desktop or
> laptop computer, plug in the iphone. you're going to be sitting there
> anyway.

Sure, but if you're not it's going to take longer to charge from USB than
a dedicated charger