Many Consumers Ditching Droids For Verizon iPhone

In article
<[email protected]>,
KDT <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 12:12*am, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 8:58*pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > *ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 9, 12:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > "nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:090220111433290920%[email protected]...
> > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, Clavicus Vile
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> "Google today in its fourth-quarter earnings call confirmed Andy
> > > > > > >> Rubin's
> > > > > > >> statement in December that some 300,000 Android devices are
> > > > > > >> being
> > > > > > >> activated
> > > > > > >> every day. That's 9 million or so a month, folks."
> >
> > > > > > > and apple announced at its quarterly earnings call that they
> > > > > > > activating
> > > > > > > 366,000 ios devices a day. that's almost 11 million a month,
> > > > > > > folks.
> >
> > > > > > That's iPads, iPods, and AppleTV lumped in with iPhones.
> >
> > > > > > The Android activations are almost entirely phones.
> >
> > > > > And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you can't
> > > > > make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to determine
> > > > > anything much.
> >
> > > > dude, you keep saying this, but when i asked you like what, you said
> > > > you didn't know if such things existed. *so why do you keep saying
> > > > it?
> >
> > > Others have talked about the wide range of Android 'smartphones'. *Some
> > > very nice, some less powerful and useful than the discontinued 3G
> > > iPhones. *Since you read here, you should remember some of them.
> >
> > by some, you mean kdt. *and yes, there are lower powered phones. *that
> > doesn't make them featurephones or less than smartphones.
> >
> > > > > The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with sales,
> > > > > if
> > > > > not profit, compared to iOS.
> >
> > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
> >
> > > On the OS, unlimited since its free! *
> >
> > > But overall, the reports are that Apple is making the bulk of the
> > > profits in the touch market. *You've seen links to that effect here.
> >
> > yeah, kdt just linked to one. *it's average profit per phone. *not the
> > same thing.
>
> The *vertical* bar was the average profit per phone sold. The
> *horizontal* bar was the number of phones sold. Multiply them both
> together to get the *total* profit.

Higher math huh?

--
Lloyd

---

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In article
<[email protected]>,
KDT <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 9, 11:58*pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
> >
> >
> >
> > *ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Feb 9, 12:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > "Clavicus Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > "nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > >news:090220111433290920%[email protected]...
> > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, Clavicus Vile
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> "Google today in its fourth-quarter earnings call confirmed Andy
> > > > > >> Rubin's
> > > > > >> statement in December that some 300,000 Android devices are being
> > > > > >> activated
> > > > > >> every day. That's 9 million or so a month, folks."
> >
> > > > > > and apple announced at its quarterly earnings call that they
> > > > > > activating
> > > > > > 366,000 ios devices a day. that's almost 11 million a month, folks.
> >
> > > > > That's iPads, iPods, and AppleTV lumped in with iPhones.
> >
> > > > > The Android activations are almost entirely phones.
> >
> > > > And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you can't
> > > > make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to determine
> > > > anything much.
> >
> > > dude, you keep saying this, but when i asked you like what, you said
> > > you didn't know if such things existed. *so why do you keep saying
> > > it?
> >
> > Others have talked about the wide range of Android 'smartphones'. *Some
> > very nice, some less powerful and useful than the discontinued 3G
> > iPhones. *Since you read here, you should remember some of them.
> >
> > > > The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with sales,
> > > > if
> > > > not profit, compared to iOS.
> >
> > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
> >
> > On the OS, unlimited since its free! *
>
> Actually it's not, HTC already pays *Microsoft* a patent license fee
> for each Android phone that ships.

Ah, I had forgotten that the 'free' OS had a MS tax.

--
Lloyd

On Feb 10, 3:56*am, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
>
>
>
>
>
> *KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 12:12 am, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Feb 9, 8:58 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 9, 12:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > >news:090220111433290920%[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, Clavicus Vile
> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> "Google today in its fourth-quarter earnings call confirmed Andy
> > > > > > > >> Rubin's
> > > > > > > >> statement in December that some 300,000 Android devices are
> > > > > > > >> being
> > > > > > > >> activated
> > > > > > > >> every day. That's 9 million or so a month, folks."
>
> > > > > > > > and apple announced at its quarterly earnings call that they
> > > > > > > > activating
> > > > > > > > 366,000 ios devices a day. that's almost 11 million a month,
> > > > > > > > folks.
>
> > > > > > > That's iPads, iPods, and AppleTV lumped in with iPhones.
>
> > > > > > > The Android activations are almost entirely phones.
>
> > > > > > And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you can't
> > > > > > make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to determine
> > > > > > anything much.
>
> > > > > dude, you keep saying this, but when i asked you like what, you said
> > > > > you didn't know if such things existed. so why do you keep saying
> > > > > it?
>
> > > > Others have talked about the wide range of Android 'smartphones'. Some
> > > > very nice, some less powerful and useful than the discontinued 3G
> > > > iPhones. Since you read here, you should remember some of them.
>
> > > by some, you mean kdt. and yes, there are lower powered phones. that
> > > doesn't make them featurephones or less than smartphones.
>
> > > > > > The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with sales,
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > not profit, compared to iOS.
>
> > > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
>
> > > > On the OS, unlimited since its free!
>
> > > > But overall, the reports are that Apple is making the bulk of the
> > > > profits in the touch market. You've seen links to that effect here.
>
> > > yeah, kdt just linked to one. it's average profit per phone. not the
> > > same thing.
>
> > The *vertical* bar was the average profit per phone sold. *The
> > *horizontal* bar was the number of phones sold. *Multiply them both
> > together to get the *total* profit.
>
> Higher math huh? *

yeah, for idiots. :P there's nothing in the chart that supports
that's **android** profits. unless you think the tons of phones
samsung sells (for instance) are all android phones. or rim or apple
for that matter. :P

On Feb 10, 3:22*am, KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:52*pm, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 7:56*pm, KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 9, 10:45*pm, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
>
> > >http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...-shot-2011-02-....
>
> > >http://bit.ly/gNB4iP
>
> > >http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/17/and...iggest-losers/
>
> > um, so you think that chart represents android profits eh?
>
> You asked what are the profits for the manufacturers, *


what i asked for is right here, 10 lines above your reply- i asked for
**android** profits for the manufacturers, since that's what relates
to the claims.

....

nospam wrote on [Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:57:47 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Richard B.
> Gilbert <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Unless someone screwed up Big Time, shipments should correlate with
>> sales. If someone DID screw up Big Time, we will see "Fire Sales" on
>> Android Phones.
>
> we already have. last year verizon had a two for the price of one on
> the droids.

hah, verizon ALWAYS has two for ones on all their phones. If it's not droids
it's blackberrys, etc.

Oxford wrote:
> Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you can't
>> make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to determine
>> anything much.
>>
>> The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with
>> sales, if not profit, compared to iOS.
>
> Android doesn't make any profit, it's a money losing operation for
> Google, plus the Android has been fading out since GoogleTV, Android
> Tablets failed in the market place.
>
> So basically all they have left is some poorly made phones with a sea
> of poorly made Apps. 44% of Android users start switching to the
> iPhone tonight. So it's going to be an excellent night for everyone.
>
I am admittedly a gadget freak (and a Verizon fan), so I did buy a new
Verizon iPhone to replace my Droid X, just because I do that kind of thing
for the fun of it. I was an early-order person, so I received my iPhone on
Monday, Feb 7. I was not unhappy with the Droid, I just always get the
latest gadget. Having 4 lines and varying NE2 dates allows me to do that
often.

My background explained so that you know I have no major dog in this fight,
my assessment is as follows.

I find the iPhone interface to be "slicker" and to operate a bit more
smoothly. There's no question that Apple excels at producing interface
slickness. The telephone operates very well.

I had thought that the larger size of the Droid would be beneficial to me
with my near vision sight getting older everyday, but that didn't prove to
be helpful in a practical way. I don't watch movies on my phones and the
size of the things on the screen didn't increase enough to compensate for my
waning eyesight. That said, I prefer the smaller size of the iPhone in terms
of convenience-to-carry.

However, I will take issue with Oxford's "sea of poorly made apps for the
Droid" remark. One of the first things that I felt was that the Droid's
apps, at least the ones I use, were superior, imho.

To begin with, you can't beat the Droid's google maps turn-by-turn GPS
navigation program, which is FREE with the phone, with anything iPhone gives
you for free. In that arena , you have to settle for the "OK", but mediocre
Gokivo program. It works, but it's not nearly as good as Google Map's
turn-by-turn program which I thought was better than both my dedicated
Garmin and my car's built-in system.

I have thus far downloaded two barcode scanners for the iPhone. Neither of
them work as well and as efficiently as the Barcode Scanner program I used
on the Droid.

The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better than
any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M Tuner,
which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.

So far, I have been unable to get the Mail programs "Delete from server when
removed from Inbox" to work at all.

I use MS Outlook for my Calendar and Contacts, and use Companionlink to sync
them with Google wirelessly. That works fine. Setting up Microsoft Exchange
for syncing my Contacts wirelessly on the iPhone does not transfer the
Groups. If I use Gmail syncing without MS Exchange, the Contacts won't sync
wirelessly at all except by syncing through iTunes with a connection to my
PC.

Of course, the iPhone also lacks the pretty neat voice activation system
built into the Droid, or at least I haven't discovered it yet. Being able to
speak, "Navigate to____" to start the search/navigation was process was
pretty useful.

In general, there is a far smaller collection of Free apps that are any good
with the iPhone than there were with the Droid.

My "Insurance" cost went from $6.99 to $10.99/month and the "deductible" for
a lost or damaged phone went from $99 to $169 for the iPhone. There are
many, many hidden costs with owning the iPhone which are not made evident in
most side-by-side comparisons and not considered by buyers when getting one
of these guys.

Being a "preferred Verizon customer", I am generally entitled to 30%
discounts on all peripheral items. Not so true with anything related to
iPhone. My "Preferred" status gets canceled out with the honor of owning an
iPhone.

Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I want to remind you that my post is
merely a reaction to Oxford's assertion about Android apps, and that I do
like the iPhone (though I am unhappy with those "hidden" costs). I have been
able to find reasonable app substitutes for the things I discussed here,
though I don't find them to be as good, and I'll have to hope I never have
to actually use the insurance replacement program or it'll cost me $70 more
to get a new phone. And that the insurance alone is costing me $48/year
more. It just seems that Apple nickel and dimes you at every step of the
way. I guess if it works for them, the more power to them.

I just wouldn't yet sell the Android system short. I don't think they'll be
going out of business anytime soon, the Droid X worked very well, and, in
practical terms rather than emotional ones, you got a lot more for the
money.

On Feb 10, 7:30*am, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 10, 3:56*am, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <[email protected]>,
>
> > *KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Feb 10, 12:12 am, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 9, 8:58 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 9, 12:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >news:090220111433290920%[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, Clavicus Vile
> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> "Google today in its fourth-quarter earnings call confirmed Andy
> > > > > > > > >> Rubin's
> > > > > > > > >> statement in December that some 300,000 Android devices are
> > > > > > > > >> being
> > > > > > > > >> activated
> > > > > > > > >> every day. That's 9 million or so a month, folks."
>
> > > > > > > > > and apple announced at its quarterly earnings call that they
> > > > > > > > > activating
> > > > > > > > > 366,000 ios devices a day. that's almost 11 million a month,
> > > > > > > > > folks.
>
> > > > > > > > That's iPads, iPods, and AppleTV lumped in with iPhones.
>
> > > > > > > > The Android activations are almost entirely phones.
>
> > > > > > > And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you can't
> > > > > > > make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to determine
> > > > > > > anything much.
>
> > > > > > dude, you keep saying this, but when i asked you like what, yousaid
> > > > > > you didn't know if such things existed. so why do you keep saying
> > > > > > it?
>
> > > > > Others have talked about the wide range of Android 'smartphones'.Some
> > > > > very nice, some less powerful and useful than the discontinued 3G
> > > > > iPhones. Since you read here, you should remember some of them.
>
> > > > by some, you mean kdt. and yes, there are lower powered phones. that
> > > > doesn't make them featurephones or less than smartphones.
>
> > > > > > > The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with sales,
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > not profit, compared to iOS.
>
> > > > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
>
> > > > > On the OS, unlimited since its free!
>
> > > > > But overall, the reports are that Apple is making the bulk of the
> > > > > profits in the touch market. You've seen links to that effect here.
>
> > > > yeah, kdt just linked to one. it's average profit per phone. not the
> > > > same thing.
>
> > > The *vertical* bar was the average profit per phone sold. *The
> > > *horizontal* bar was the number of phones sold. *Multiply them both
> > > together to get the *total* profit.
>
> > Higher math huh? *
>
> yeah, for idiots. *:P *there's nothing in the chart that supports
> that's **android** profits. *unless you think the tons of phones
> samsung sells (for instance) are all android phones. *or rim or apple
> for that matter. *:P

Well, at least (looking at the pie chart), you know that Android
profits from all manufacturers are dwarfed by just Apple, Nokia, and
RIM and since Samsung sells non-Android phones, the percentages are
even less.

In article <[email protected]>, Carl
<[email protected]> wrote:

> However, I will take issue with Oxford's "sea of poorly made apps for the
> Droid" remark. One of the first things that I felt was that the Droid's
> apps, at least the ones I use, were superior, imho.

some are, some aren't. most are not. there will always be examples of
good stuff and crap on either platform. cherry pick and you can 'prove'
anything you want.

> To begin with, you can't beat the Droid's google maps turn-by-turn GPS
> navigation program, which is FREE with the phone, with anything iPhone gives
> you for free. In that arena , you have to settle for the "OK", but mediocre
> Gokivo program. It works, but it's not nearly as good as Google Map's
> turn-by-turn program which I thought was better than both my dedicated
> Garmin and my car's built-in system.

there are a *lot* of gps navigation apps for the iphone, anywhere from
free to fairly expensive, depending on who makes it and the quality of
the maps. some use public domain maps (i.e., crap) and others use maps
from companies that specialize in navigation (i.e., navteq & telenav).
some download on the fly and others have the maps stored on the device.
some have real time traffic info and will automatically recalculate a
new route, depending on what is best at the time.

> I have thus far downloaded two barcode scanners for the iPhone. Neither of
> them work as well and as efficiently as the Barcode Scanner program I used
> on the Droid.

try red laser.

> The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better than
> any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M Tuner,
> which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.

try a non-free app.

> So far, I have been unable to get the Mail programs "Delete from server when
> removed from Inbox" to work at all.

that's a configuration problem. i've not heard this to be an issue.

> Of course, the iPhone also lacks the pretty neat voice activation system
> built into the Droid, or at least I haven't discovered it yet. Being able to
> speak, "Navigate to____" to start the search/navigation was process was
> pretty useful.

true, that's useful but some of the gps apps might offer that.

> In general, there is a far smaller collection of Free apps that are any good
> with the iPhone than there were with the Droid.

that's because apps on the droid can't be sold in all countries and the
user base is resistant to buying apps in places where it can be sold.

for instance, angry birds is free with ads on android, but paid (and
without ads) on iphone. for a while, android apps could only be sold in
13 countries (compared to like 90 for the iphone) but there are more
now where they can be sold.

> My "Insurance" cost went from $6.99 to $10.99/month and the "deductible" for
> a lost or damaged phone went from $99 to $169 for the iPhone. There are
> many, many hidden costs with owning the iPhone which are not made evident in
> most side-by-side comparisons and not considered by buyers when getting one
> of these guys.

cellphone insurance is generally not worth it, and often a homeowners
or renters insurance policy will cover things that are easily stolen
like phones, cameras, etc.

what other hidden costs?

> Being a "preferred Verizon customer", I am generally entitled to 30%
> discounts on all peripheral items. Not so true with anything related to
> iPhone. My "Preferred" status gets canceled out with the honor of owning an
> iPhone.

that is up to the carrier. the iphone is in very high demand so verizon
doesn't think they need to discount anything. shop around. peripherals
can be purchased at many other places than verizon (and usually for a
lot less than what a discount would have given you).

> I just wouldn't yet sell the Android system short. I don't think they'll be
> going out of business anytime soon, the Droid X worked very well, and, in
> practical terms rather than emotional ones, you got a lot more for the
> money.

android is not going away any time soon, or ever. the market is big
enough for more than one player, and that's a good thing.

nospam wrote on [Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:15:05 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Carl
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better than
>> any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M Tuner,
>> which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.
>
> try a non-free app.

How do you try a non-free app? Is there a refund policy in place now?

In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better than
> >> any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M Tuner,
> >> which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.
> >
> > try a non-free app.
>
> How do you try a non-free app?

by buying it.

many apps are a buck or two. it's not going to break the bank. i'm sure
his guitar cost a lot more than a buck. a lot of apps have free 'lite'
versions so you can tell whether or not it does what you need before
shelling out the couple of bucks.

> Is there a refund policy in place now?

there always has been but it's for honest mistakes, not 'i didn't like
it.'

nospam wrote on [Thu, 10 Feb 2011 11:43:32 -0500]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better than
>> >> any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M Tuner,
>> >> which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.
>> >
>> > try a non-free app.
>>
>> How do you try a non-free app?
>
> by buying it.
>
> many apps are a buck or two. it's not going to break the bank. i'm sure
> his guitar cost a lot more than a buck. a lot of apps have free 'lite'
> versions so you can tell whether or not it does what you need before
> shelling out the couple of bucks.

Yeah, a couple of bucks here, a couple of bucks there, try out four or five
apps and you're out real money

>> Is there a refund policy in place now?
>
> there always has been but it's for honest mistakes, not 'i didn't like
> it.'

I guess android does have something going for it then...

Carl wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>> Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you
>>> can't make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to
>>> determine anything much.
>>>
>>> The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with
>>> sales, if not profit, compared to iOS.
>>
>> Android doesn't make any profit, it's a money losing operation for
>> Google, plus the Android has been fading out since GoogleTV, Android
>> Tablets failed in the market place.
>>
>> So basically all they have left is some poorly made phones with a sea
>> of poorly made Apps. 44% of Android users start switching to the
>> iPhone tonight. So it's going to be an excellent night for everyone.
>>
> I am admittedly a gadget freak (and a Verizon fan), so I did buy a new
> Verizon iPhone to replace my Droid X, just because I do that kind of
> thing for the fun of it. I was an early-order person, so I received
> my iPhone on Monday, Feb 7. I was not unhappy with the Droid, I just
> always get the latest gadget. Having 4 lines and varying NE2 dates
> allows me to do that often.
>
> My background explained so that you know I have no major dog in this
> fight, my assessment is as follows.
>
> I find the iPhone interface to be "slicker" and to operate a bit more
> smoothly. There's no question that Apple excels at producing interface
> slickness. The telephone operates very well.
>
> I had thought that the larger size of the Droid would be beneficial
> to me with my near vision sight getting older everyday, but that
> didn't prove to be helpful in a practical way. I don't watch movies
> on my phones and the size of the things on the screen didn't increase
> enough to compensate for my waning eyesight. That said, I prefer the
> smaller size of the iPhone in terms of convenience-to-carry.
>
> However, I will take issue with Oxford's "sea of poorly made apps for
> the Droid" remark. One of the first things that I felt was that the
> Droid's apps, at least the ones I use, were superior, imho.
>
> To begin with, you can't beat the Droid's google maps turn-by-turn GPS
> navigation program, which is FREE with the phone, with anything
> iPhone gives you for free. In that arena , you have to settle for the
> "OK", but mediocre Gokivo program. It works, but it's not nearly as
> good as Google Map's turn-by-turn program which I thought was better
> than both my dedicated Garmin and my car's built-in system.
>
> I have thus far downloaded two barcode scanners for the iPhone.
> Neither of them work as well and as efficiently as the Barcode
> Scanner program I used on the Droid.
>
> The guitar tuning app I used on the Droid, "gStrings", was far better
> than any free app available for iPhone except for the free Gibson L&M
> Tuner, which isn't bad, but does not respond as well.
>
> So far, I have been unable to get the Mail programs "Delete from
> server when removed from Inbox" to work at all.
>
> I use MS Outlook for my Calendar and Contacts, and use Companionlink
> to sync them with Google wirelessly. That works fine. Setting up
> Microsoft Exchange for syncing my Contacts wirelessly on the iPhone
> does not transfer the Groups. If I use Gmail syncing without MS
> Exchange, the Contacts won't sync wirelessly at all except by syncing
> through iTunes with a connection to my PC.
>
> Of course, the iPhone also lacks the pretty neat voice activation
> system built into the Droid, or at least I haven't discovered it yet.
> Being able to speak, "Navigate to____" to start the search/navigation
> was process was pretty useful.
>
> In general, there is a far smaller collection of Free apps that are
> any good with the iPhone than there were with the Droid.
>
> My "Insurance" cost went from $6.99 to $10.99/month and the
> "deductible" for a lost or damaged phone went from $99 to $169 for
> the iPhone. There are many, many hidden costs with owning the iPhone
> which are not made evident in most side-by-side comparisons and not
> considered by buyers when getting one of these guys.
>
> Being a "preferred Verizon customer", I am generally entitled to 30%
> discounts on all peripheral items. Not so true with anything related
> to iPhone. My "Preferred" status gets canceled out with the honor of
> owning an iPhone.
>
> Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, I want to remind you that my
> post is merely a reaction to Oxford's assertion about Android apps,
> and that I do like the iPhone (though I am unhappy with those
> "hidden" costs). I have been able to find reasonable app substitutes
> for the things I discussed here, though I don't find them to be as
> good, and I'll have to hope I never have to actually use the
> insurance replacement program or it'll cost me $70 more to get a new
> phone. And that the insurance alone is costing me $48/year more. It
> just seems that Apple nickel and dimes you at every step of the way.
> I guess if it works for them, the more power to them.
> I just wouldn't yet sell the Android system short. I don't think
> they'll be going out of business anytime soon, the Droid X worked
> very well, and, in practical terms rather than emotional ones, you
> got a lot more for the money.
>
>
Oh yes, I forgot to add one thing: My Jabra BT200 bluetooth headset, which
has srved me well for many years through all kinds of phone changes from
Motorola to Blackberry, is not recognizable by the iPhone!

Maybe someone has a solution?

Else, another "hidden" expense: I have to go out and buy a new BT
headset...

"tlvp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:26:48 -0500, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> Hey, I see you're having reading problems again. I know dates can be a
>> pesky thing, but can you at least post articles that are this year?
>
> Article he gave the URL to *is* "this year":
>
> | Posted on Thursday, Jan 20, 2011 by Phil Nickinson .
>
> Have I got the wrong article? Or are you in 2012 already? :-)
>
> Cheers, -- tlvp
> --
> Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP

LOLLERCOASTER

"ed" wrote in message
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On Feb 10, 3:22 am, KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:52 pm, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 9, 7:56 pm, KDT <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 9, 10:45 pm, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
>
> > >http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/upl...-shot-2011-02-...
>
> > >http://bit.ly/gNB4iP
>
> > >http://www.asymco.com/2010/08/17/and...iggest-losers/
>
> > um, so you think that chart represents android profits eh?
>
> You asked what are the profits for the manufacturers,


>what i asked for is right here, 10 lines above your reply- i asked for
>**android** profits for the manufacturers, since that's what relates
>to the claims.

Widdle baby seems to have a reading comprehension problem, or he's just
plain stupid. I prefer the latter.

....

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
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In article
<[email protected]>,
KDT <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Feb 10, 12:12 am, ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 8:58 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ed <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > On Feb 9, 12:13 pm, Lloyd Parsons <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > "Clavicus Vile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > "nospam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > >news:090220111433290920%[email protected]...
> > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>, Clavicus Vile
> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> "Google today in its fourth-quarter earnings call confirmed
> > > > > > >> Andy
> > > > > > >> Rubin's
> > > > > > >> statement in December that some 300,000 Android devices are
> > > > > > >> being
> > > > > > >> activated
> > > > > > >> every day. That's 9 million or so a month, folks."
> >
> > > > > > > and apple announced at its quarterly earnings call that they
> > > > > > > activating
> > > > > > > 366,000 ios devices a day. that's almost 11 million a month,
> > > > > > > folks.
> >
> > > > > > That's iPads, iPods, and AppleTV lumped in with iPhones.
> >
> > > > > > The Android activations are almost entirely phones.
> >
> > > > > And many/some are not very smartphones. That's part of why you
> > > > > can't
> > > > > make an intelligent comparison to the activations done to
> > > > > determine
> > > > > anything much.
> >
> > > > dude, you keep saying this, but when i asked you like what, you said
> > > > you didn't know if such things existed. so why do you keep saying
> > > > it?
> >
> > > Others have talked about the wide range of Android 'smartphones'.
> > > Some
> > > very nice, some less powerful and useful than the discontinued 3G
> > > iPhones. Since you read here, you should remember some of them.
> >
> > by some, you mean kdt. and yes, there are lower powered phones. that
> > doesn't make them featurephones or less than smartphones.
> >
> > > > > The only thing you can tell is that Android is doing fine with
> > > > > sales,
> > > > > if
> > > > > not profit, compared to iOS.
> >
> > > > what are android profits for the manufacturers?
> >
> > > On the OS, unlimited since its free!
> >
> > > But overall, the reports are that Apple is making the bulk of the
> > > profits in the touch market. You've seen links to that effect here.
> >
> > yeah, kdt just linked to one. it's average profit per phone. not the
> > same thing.
>
> The *vertical* bar was the average profit per phone sold. The
> *horizontal* bar was the number of phones sold. Multiply them both
> together to get the *total* profit.

>Higher math huh?

More like "KDT fuzzy math". Just fuzzy enough to fool you.

--
Lloyd