Bloomberg Businessweek Article on "Data Hogs"

In article <[email protected]>, News
says...

> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?

whoops, I meant certain types of CONTENT.

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In article <120420112221178355%[email protected]>, nospam says...

> oh, they're out there. ask anyone who uses at&t in san francisco and
> new york about how overloaded it is

....which is AT&T's fault. They've been in the game long enough that they
should have the knowhow and the tools to properly calculate their
bandwidth needs.

> there's enough capacity for average usage patterns. there is not
enough
> capacity if every user is going to demand their full 5 gigabytes every
> month.

but if they have the contractual right to do so, they aren't at fault
for network problems. period.


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In article <[email protected]>, SMS says...


> Ultimately analysts believe that all carriers will have to go to tiered
> data plans because the unlimited plans cause some users to feel that
> they have both a right and an obligation to use as much data as humanly
> possible.

Obligation, no, but I'm damned well allowed to use 5GB/month if my
contract allows it. I don't typically get anywhere near 5GB/month
because I use my smartphone on wifi whenever possible, but...


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In article <[email protected]>, SMS says...
>
> On 4/12/2011 5:30 PM, Paul Miner wrote:
>
> > Apparently analogies are harder than I thought. A 5GB data plan
> > obviously isn't analogous to an all-you-can-eat buffet.
>
> The T-Mobile plan ia analogous to one Asian seafood buffet I've been to.
> It's all-you-can-eat, but you only get one lobster ticket.

So? In that case, the rules are, I assume, *****ed out. And as long as
they are, I have no standing to complain if I eat there and the lobster
isn't "all you can eat."

And, no, the T-Mobile plan isn't analogous.

Speaking as a T-Mo customer with a smartphone and a data plan.

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In article <[email protected]>, Ryan P. says...


> Its the networks' own fault. If they tell me I can stream video and
> make video conference calls on their network, why should I be labeled a
> data hog when I actually do these things?


EXACTLY. If you're going to offer X, make sure your network can support
X.



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In article <[email protected]>, SMS says...

> > And that, in a nutshell, is the whole "cake and eat it too" problem.
> > Mobile operators want all of us to _pay_ for a umpteen GB plan, then only
> > use a few megabytes, so they can resell the same limited bandwidth to
> > everyone.
> Precisely. They're selling something they can't really provide. But look
> at landline "unlimited" service where they're also selling something
> that is not possible to provide.

Really, Steven, what part of "That's not the customer's fault" don't you
understand?

Calling someone a hog for using the amount of data they're allowed to
use is asinine and childish.


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nospam wrote on [Tue, 12 Apr 2011 22:21:17 -0700]:
> In article <[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> > Do you leave the water running in your hotel room "because you paid for
>> >> > it"?
>> >>
>> >> No, because that is an actual limited resource.
>> >
>> > cellular bandwidth is a *lot* more limited than water in a hotel.
>>
>> That's funny, there are thousands more smartphone users each week that
>> use cell data, where are the people complaining that bandwidth is drying up?
>
> oh, they're out there. ask anyone who uses at&t in san francisco and
> new york about how overloaded it is. ask people at sxsw a couple of

Overloaded or poorly architected. We all know about the problems
that AT&T encounters all the time. Their network sucks in those areas
and they are unable or unwilling to fix it. However, Verizon and T-Mobile
seems to never have a problem in these areas

> years ago when at&t had a meltdown there too. try using a cellphone at
> a conference, or at a major hotel when said conference is going on, and
> it's often very flaky.

Huh, all the reports I read of this years CES said that Verizon and Sprint
users had no problems.


> there's enough capacity for average usage patterns. there is not enough
> capacity if every user is going to demand their full 5 gigabytes every
> month.

167MB isn't all that much.

On 4/12/2011 10:21 PM, nospam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Justin

> there's enough capacity for average usage patterns. there is not enough
> capacity if every user is going to demand their full 5 gigabytes every
> month.

True. It's a shared resource. It's identical to landline "unlimited"
versus "metered" service. Every landline user could not be using their
line 24/7, the system isn't designed to support that usage model. When
too many people are using the system you will have to wait for a dial
tone, or you'll get an "all circuits are busy" message. It doesn't
matter that you paid for "unlimited" you get what you get, and it may
not be allocated in the fairest way.

In article <[email protected]>, Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:

> >> > Do you leave the water running in your hotel room "because you paid for
> >> > it"?
> >>
> >> No, because that is an actual limited resource.
> >
> > cellular bandwidth is a *lot* more limited than water in a hotel.
>
> That's funny, there are thousands more smartphone users each week that
> use cell data, where are the people complaining that bandwidth is drying up?

oh, they're out there. ask anyone who uses at&t in san francisco and
new york about how overloaded it is. ask people at sxsw a couple of
years ago when at&t had a meltdown there too. try using a cellphone at
a conference, or at a major hotel when said conference is going on, and
it's often very flaky.

there's enough capacity for average usage patterns. there is not enough
capacity if every user is going to demand their full 5 gigabytes every
month.

On 4/13/2011 12:11 AM, Steve Sobol wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, News
> says...
>
>
>> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?
>
> Unless your contract specifies that you are only allowed to download
> certain types of contract, it doesn't matter.
>
>


Be sure to leave the lights, water and TV on in your hotel room when you
leave.

On 4/13/2011 1:21 AM, nospam wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>> Do you leave the water running in your hotel room "because you paid for
>>>>> it"?
>>>>
>>>> No, because that is an actual limited resource.
>>>
>>> cellular bandwidth is a *lot* more limited than water in a hotel.
>>
>> That's funny, there are thousands more smartphone users each week that
>> use cell data, where are the people complaining that bandwidth is drying up?
>
> oh, they're out there. ask anyone who uses at&t in san francisco and
> new york about how overloaded it is. ask people at sxsw a couple of
> years ago when at&t had a meltdown there too. try using a cellphone at
> a conference, or at a major hotel when said conference is going on, and
> it's often very flaky.

Not sure of your point? AT&T has a Mickey Mouse network that isn't
capable of handling the customer load they added. Isn't the primary
reason they want to buy tmobile to gain extra bandwidth? AT&T blew it.

>
> there's enough capacity for average usage patterns. there is not enough
> capacity if every user is going to demand their full 5 gigabytes every
> month.

My smartphone works just fine on VZWs network who seemed to have done a
much better job of planning.

In article <[email protected]>, News
says...

> >> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?
> >
> > Unless your contract specifies that you are only allowed to download
> > certain types of contract, it doesn't matter.

> Be sure to leave the lights, water and TV on in your hotel room when
you
> leave.

Nice try, idiot troll. Once I'm done with the room, I'm not paying for
it anymore, am I?

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On 4/13/2011 12:39 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, News
> says...
>
>>>> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?
>>>
>>> Unless your contract specifies that you are only allowed to download
>>> certain types of contract, it doesn't matter.
>
>> Be sure to leave the lights, water and TV on in your hotel room when
> you
>> leave.
>
> Nice try, idiot troll. Once I'm done with the room, I'm not paying for
> it anymore, am I?
>


You had better have left if you pull that stunt, @sshole.

On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, Steve Sobol wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, News
> says...
>
>>>> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?
>>>
>>> Unless your contract specifies that you are only allowed to download
>>> certain types of contract, it doesn't matter.
>
>> Be sure to leave the lights, water and TV on in your hotel room when
> you
>> leave.
>
> Nice try, idiot troll. Once I'm done with the room, I'm not paying for
> it anymore, am I?

I think he's referring to stepping out of your hotel room during your stay.

In any case, it's a terrible analogy, as analogies usually are. I think
the closest analogy is to that of unlimited landline phone service. It's
unmetered, but not really unlimited.

My web hosting company has this statement regarding bandwidth:

Though we do not have any pre-set limits, you will receive warnings if
your site begins to use over 25 GB of bandwidth/month. If you use more
than this occasionally that is fine. There is never an extra fee for
bandwidth overages.

SMS wrote on [Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:54:41 -0700]:
> On 4/13/2011 9:39 AM, Steve Sobol wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, News
>> says...
>>
>>>>> Sure, skippy. And just how much of the 4.99G was "because I can"?
>>>>
>>>> Unless your contract specifies that you are only allowed to download
>>>> certain types of contract, it doesn't matter.
>>
>>> Be sure to leave the lights, water and TV on in your hotel room when
>> you
>>> leave.
>>
>> Nice try, idiot troll. Once I'm done with the room, I'm not paying for
>> it anymore, am I?
>
> I think he's referring to stepping out of your hotel room during your stay.
>
> In any case, it's a terrible analogy, as analogies usually are. I think
> the closest analogy is to that of unlimited landline phone service. It's
> unmetered, but not really unlimited.
>
> My web hosting company has this statement regarding bandwidth:
>
> Though we do not have any pre-set limits, you will receive warnings if
> your site begins to use over 25 GB of bandwidth/month. If you use more
> than this occasionally that is fine. There is never an extra fee for
> bandwidth overages.

Web hosting isn't quite the same as ISP service. The more bandwidth you consume
on a web host odds are the more resources you are using on the host and in
the data center. Log files, cpu usage, memory usage, etc.