How Apple Sees the World

On 2011-04-20, Phantom Phucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/20/2011 3:32 PM, Oxford wrote:
>> Phantom Phucker<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> which means you aren't a sophisticated user. you like nerdy bits and
>>>> bytes, you don't yet understand that a computer should be completely
>>>> invisible to the user.
>>>
>>> Invisible computers are too easily misplaced.
>>
>> you can always locate your device via the "gps find" feature apple
>> provides free of charge. just open your browser and it will locate your
>> device anywhere on the planet. check it out...
>
> No good. Still can't see where an invisible computer is. Can't watch

....even if it's just small and colored in such a way as to blend into
it's environment it is very much prone to being lost. Being embedded
in a phone is handy because you can always try to "call it". Although
your ringer might be on mute or the battery might be dead.

[deletia]

GPS is only accurate enough to confirm the fact that your device is
lost at home rather than being lost somewhere else.

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:32:57 -0400, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> Phantom Phucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > which means you aren't a sophisticated user. you like nerdy bits and
>> > bytes, you don't yet understand that a computer should be completely
>> > invisible to the user.
>>
>> Invisible computers are too easily misplaced.
>
> you can always locate your device via the "gps find" feature apple
> provides free of charge. just open your browser and it will locate your
> device anywhere on the planet. check it out...
>
> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/featur...my-iphone.html

Cute catch-22 -- "just open your browser" to "locate your device" -- ah,
but that browser is *on* the device that I'm trying to locate; now what?

> ah, i don't work, i made money years ago.

And these days, who needs money anyway? Money is so useless and dépassé :-) .

Cheers, -- tlvp
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On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:27:03 -0400, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> ... if you want all the tech,
> apple has it in spaces, but ...

Sorry, Oxford, apple has it *where*, exactly?

Cheers, -- tlvp
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Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:apony-4F96D2.14223019042011
@news.qwest.net:

> A rather excellent video of our Apple based future.
>
> Worth watching...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...eZ38&vq=medium
>
> oxford
>

Is there a whole section about the spying?

Remember when iPhone came out and people got thousand dollar phone bills
when they took it to Europe? We thought it was just checking email.
Now, there revelation it was reporting the tracking during your Euro
vacation.

I always wondered why iTunes connected to all those strange ports. Now I
know what it was doing calling Mother.

Big news items on Aljazeera about Apple tracking today....

Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

> While we're drifting away from Oxford's silly musings (which of course,
> is a Good Thing!) I should point out that every "find my phone" service
> I've ever seen includes an override to remotely unmute the ringer.

yes, it's always fun to keep the proles stirred up.

> > GPS is only accurate enough to confirm the fact that your device is
> > lost at home rather than being lost somewhere else.
>
> To me that's an important distinction; it's the difference between
> continuing the search and remotely wiping it!

yes, the fact "find my iphone" finds your iphone within 5-30 feet is a
top notch feature. a few months ago, after too many babes at my house,
my iphone went missing! i feared the worst, but using the free find my
iphone feature, it pointed right to my coffee table! yep, there it was,
underneath and upside down.

lesson learned, more than 4 chicks on a coffee table can cause technical
difficulties!

tlvp <[email protected]> wrote:

> > ... if you want all the tech,
> > apple has it in spaces, but ...
>
> Sorry, Oxford, apple has it *where*, exactly?

this will get you started...

http://www.freebsd.org/

for hardware, take a look at this gem...

http://www.apple.com/imac/features.html

everyone on the planet will move to macs at some point in their life, it
just depends on when...

here is how to get started:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

or for no tax, free delivery...

http://www.macprices.net/

oxford

JEDIDIAH <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's "sophistication" that causes one to be bored with limited-by-design
> platforms like the ones that Apple sell.

ah, but you've been mislead, all the power of the top mainframes is
there, fully accessible, that's why most all UNIX users run Macs as
their primary platform.

you are just poorly educated about computing, only see the pretty
"surface level".

it's purposely "hidden" upon boot, but go one layer lower and everything
that a top nerd wants is right there on any Mac.

you can get up to speed here:

http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/

Tom Shelton;489570 Wrote:
> Oxford formulated on Tuesday :-
> Tom Shelton [email protected]d wrote:
> -
> Besides being long and boring - most of that stuff looked more like a
> microsoft surface demo tehan anything i've seen from apple -
>
> there was a bit of "surface" mixed in, but it was 90% of what Apple has
>
> envisioned. -
>
> more than a little. Almost all of that stuff was surface stuff - down
> to the styling of the controls.
> -
> apple had touch walls back in the 80's don't forget.
> -
>
> You have a reference for that? A far as I can tell, apple got is
> multi-touch tech from aquiring Fingerwoks in 2005. MS already had been
>
> working on surface for 4 years by then - that project began in 2001.
> So, as far as I can tell MS had been working with multi-touch for quite
>
> sometime before apple ever got into it. Not to mention plain old touch
>
> screens.
> -
> i agree some of the fashion stuff was long and boring, but this is how
>
> our Apple based world will look like 30 years out is the point.-
>
> LOL... I get it. Your one of those mac guys. That's cool.
>
> --
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On 2011-04-22, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:
> JEDIDIAH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's "sophistication" that causes one to be bored with limited-by-design
>> platforms like the ones that Apple sell.
>
> ah, but you've been mislead, all the power of the top mainframes is
> there, fully accessible, that's why most all UNIX users run Macs as

Not really.

If I have to build my own code or my own scripts then there really
isn't any point in bothering with the proprietary cruft on top.

[deletia]

People buy Macs for the shiny bits on top.

Their other stuff is locked down. If Apple had their way, it would be
against the law to unlock them or provide tools to others that seek to.

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On 4/19/2011 4:22 PM, Oxford wrote:
> A rather excellent video of our Apple based future.
>
> Worth watching...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...eZ38&vq=medium
>
> oxford


Everyone lives in modern deco flats with contrasting patinas on each
wall (with mostly white everywhere else), no one ever appears to do
anything physically exerting or breaks a sweat, families all look like
cut-outs from Elle and GQ, (yet somehow, the males always need a
shave). It's so...soo 'zen', right? How *boring*, cliche, looks so
*dated* (Think Metropolis, Farenheit 451, and Logan's Run).

No wonder people have such an impression of Jobs Snobs being so
elitist, unrealistic, pie-n-the-sky dreamers with a sterile,
antiseptic, utopian vision of the future.. a very 'plastic' future,
indeed.

Frankly, this vision of the future makes me wanna *hurl*. After
watching this rosy, sickly sweet notion of the future, I need a dose
of insulin.

You know what a more likely future is? A world wide economic
collapse, or worse, a societal collapse because of some massive
pandemic, and where power-tripping progressives think they can solve
everything through technology. How arrogant... we'll see just how
well people will survive eating iPods, iPads, Macs, PCs. We'll see
just how useful these really are when massive shutdowns of public
utilities starts occurring. We'll also see how useful they'll be as
currency when law and order breaks down, and people need to
trade/barter for food or medicine.

The techno future is an illusory utopia that ultimately creates more
societal problems than it solves, and will *doom* a generation of
people who only know how to use dumbed-down black box technology, but
don't know how to plant a garden, handle a firearm, or be able to
handle being thrown back to a 19th century way of living in general.
I wonder how many idiots who got duped into this bogus utopian vision
crappola will deal with having to hand their 14 year old daughter over
to some roving gang for a piece of ass, just to trade for some out of
date can of food (if they're lucky). Howzat for a 'rosy' future?

And when the pseudo progressives finally realize their ****ups, their
solution will be the same as as before: employ smoke & mirror
excuses/policies that result in massive deaths, and simply 'reset' the
population levels to a more manageable number that fits into their
ongoing power-mongering agenda over their utopian society.
Think of the repeated Marxist starvation of Mao's China, Stalin's
Russia, and of North Korea.

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Flint <[email protected]> wrote:

> Everyone lives in modern deco flats with contrasting patinas on each
> wall (with mostly white everywhere else), no one ever appears to do
> anything physically exerting or breaks a sweat, families all look like
> cut-outs from Elle and GQ, (yet somehow, the males always need a
> shave). It's so...soo 'zen', right? How *boring*, cliche, looks so
> *dated* (Think Metropolis, Farenheit 451, and Logan's Run).
>
> No wonder people have such an impression of Jobs Snobs being so
> elitist, unrealistic, pie-n-the-sky dreamers with a sterile,
> antiseptic, utopian vision of the future.. a very 'plastic' future,
> indeed.

depends on how you fit a perfectionist life into your being.

> Frankly, this vision of the future makes me wanna *hurl*. After
> watching this rosy, sickly sweet notion of the future, I need a dose
> of insulin.
>
> You know what a more likely future is? A world wide economic
> collapse, or worse, a societal collapse because of some massive
> pandemic, and where power-tripping progressives think they can solve
> everything through technology.

nah, economies are strong again, so the dear of a collapse are long
gone. sure about 5% of people are getting squeezed since they didn't
value education when younger, but it's of little concern overall.

> How arrogant... we'll see just how
> well people will survive eating iPods, iPads, Macs, PCs. We'll see
> just how useful these really are when massive shutdowns of public
> utilities starts occurring. We'll also see how useful they'll be as
> currency when law and order breaks down, and people need to
> trade/barter for food or medicine.

why would we want to shut down public utilities? law breaking down? it
sounds like you are in need of medication. society is doing well again
don't forget.

> The techno future is an illusory utopia that ultimately creates more
> societal problems than it solves, and will *doom* a generation of
> people who only know how to use dumbed-down black box technology, but
> don't know how to plant a garden, handle a firearm, or be able to
> handle being thrown back to a 19th century way of living in general.

agree about planting gardens, but why would anyone need to know how to
handle a firearm? guns are for ignorant people, not intelligent ones.

> I wonder how many idiots who got duped into this bogus utopian vision
> crappola will deal with having to hand their 14 year old daughter over
> to some roving gang for a piece of ass, just to trade for some out of
> date can of food (if they're lucky). Howzat for a 'rosy' future?
>
> And when the pseudo progressives finally realize their ****ups, their
> solution will be the same as as before: employ smoke & mirror
> excuses/policies that result in massive deaths, and simply 'reset' the
> population levels to a more manageable number that fits into their
> ongoing power-mongering agenda over their utopian society.
> Think of the repeated Marxist starvation of Mao's China, Stalin's
> Russia, and of North Korea.

dude, you suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, seek some help. the world
isn't like that at all, you're delusional.

and while i agree tech isn't a pure panacea for societal weaknesses,
life has never been better on this planet for so many people.

tlvp <[email protected]> wrote:

> > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/featur...my-iphone.html
>
> Cute catch-22 -- "just open your browser" to "locate your device" -- ah,
> but that browser is *on* the device that I'm trying to locate; now what?

ah, you just use your computer's browser, surely you have more than
"one" computing device.

> > ah, i don't work, i made money years ago.
>
> And these days, who needs money anyway? Money is so useless and dépassé :-) .

money is fine, but once you have enough, what do you really do with it?

Phantom Phucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> You called yourself a grease monkey?

no, i'ver never called myself a grease money, but have considered others
so, so it seems you have misread my posts.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 16:01:51 -0400, Oxford <[email protected]> wrote:

> tlvp <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/featur...my-iphone.html
>>
>> Cute catch-22 -- "just open your browser" to "locate your device" -- ah,
>> but that browser is *on* the device that I'm trying to locate; now what?
>
> ah, you just use your computer's browser, surely you have more than
> "one" computing device.

Sure do, but not in the hotel room where I think I misplaced my device :-{ .

>> > ah, i don't work, i made money years ago.
>>
>> And these days, who needs money anyway? Money is so useless and dépassé :-) .
>
> money is fine, but once you have enough, what do you really do with it?

Mmm ... wonder whether it's *really* going to be enough, after inflation and all :-) ?

Cheers, -- tlvp
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On 4/23/2011 3:58 PM, Oxford wrote:
> Flint<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Everyone lives in modern deco flats with contrasting patinas on each
>> wall (with mostly white everywhere else), no one ever appears to do
>> anything physically exerting or breaks a sweat, families all look like
>> cut-outs from Elle and GQ, (yet somehow, the males always need a
>> shave). It's so...soo 'zen', right? How *boring*, cliche, looks so
>> *dated* (Think Metropolis, Farenheit 451, and Logan's Run).
>>
>> No wonder people have such an impression of Jobs Snobs being so
>> elitist, unrealistic, pie-n-the-sky dreamers with a sterile,
>> antiseptic, utopian vision of the future.. a very 'plastic' future,
>> indeed.
>
> depends on how you fit a perfectionist life into your being.

"Perfectionist life"? That's *your* strawman. The very concept is
alien to me. What is a "perfectionist life"?



>> Frankly, this vision of the future makes me wanna *hurl*. After
>> watching this rosy, sickly sweet notion of the future, I need a dose
>> of insulin.
>>
>> You know what a more likely future is? A world wide economic
>> collapse, or worse, a societal collapse because of some massive
>> pandemic, and where power-tripping progressives think they can solve
>> everything through technology.
>
> nah, economies are strong again, so the dear of a collapse are long
> gone.

Oh suuuuuuure they are. Never been better in fact.... for >China<.


> sure about 5% of people are getting squeezed since they didn't
> value education when younger, but it's of little concern overall.

Only >5%<? I guess most of that Chinese labor that's jumping from
roofs these days even had an opportunity to value education, or folks
in Egypt, Libya, Tunesia, Bahrain, and Syria, right?




>> How arrogant... we'll see just how
>> well people will survive eating iPods, iPads, Macs, PCs. We'll see
>> just how useful these really are when massive shutdowns of public
>> utilities starts occurring. We'll also see how useful they'll be as
>> currency when law and order breaks down, and people need to
>> trade/barter for food or medicine.
>
> why would we want to shut down public utilities?

You are dense. And apparently you must have just arrived back on the
planet recently. Try Googling "Japan", "Earthquake", "Tsunami",
"Nuclear"...

> law breaking down? it
> sounds like you are in need of medication. society is doing well again
> don't forget.

Suuuuuurrrre. History is just >repleat< with examples of societies
that pull together after complete breakdowns.



>
>> The techno future is an illusory utopia that ultimately creates more
>> societal problems than it solves, and will *doom* a generation of
>> people who only know how to use dumbed-down black box technology, but
>> don't know how to plant a garden, handle a firearm, or be able to
>> handle being thrown back to a 19th century way of living in general.
>
> agree about planting gardens, but why would anyone need to know how to
> handle a firearm? guns are for ignorant people, not intelligent ones.

.... or violent, selfish, power mongering types seeking to prey on
others in a societal post-crisis collapse. You Appholes really do buy
into the guilded cage concept and really do believe societal civility
runs far deeper than just a veneer, donchya? After all, look at how
'civil' New Orleans was after Katrina. Look how 'civil' Palestine,
Libya, Syria, & Tunisia are these days. Mexico is just a peaceful
place too, isn't it? Tell you what Oxtard, go a spread the word, and
convince the Mexican cartels they need to be as enlightened as you,
and give up their guns. Then maybe those US folks near the border
will give up their guns from beneath their pillows.


>> I wonder how many idiots who got duped into this bogus utopian vision
>> crappola will deal with having to hand their 14 year old daughter over
>> to some roving gang for a piece of ass, just to trade for some out of
>> date can of food (if they're lucky). Howzat for a 'rosy' future?
>>
>> And when the pseudo progressives finally realize their ****ups, their
>> solution will be the same as as before: employ smoke& mirror
>> excuses/policies that result in massive deaths, and simply 'reset' the
>> population levels to a more manageable number that fits into their
>> ongoing power-mongering agenda over their utopian society.
>> Think of the repeated Marxist starvation of Mao's China, Stalin's
>> Russia, and of North Korea.
>
> dude, you suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, seek some help. the world
> isn't like that at all, you're delusional.

Of course it isn't - at least not with that pair of apple-green tinted
glasses you're wearing.


> and while i agree tech isn't a pure panacea for societal weaknesses,
> life has never been better on this planet for so many people.

.... and also far worse for so many.


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