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- 08-22-2011, 07:12 PM #31nospamGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
> >
> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
> > much coverage there.
>
> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
and t-mobile to care.
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- 08-22-2011, 07:12 PM #32nospamGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, SMS
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
> >
> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
> > much coverage there.
>
> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
and t-mobile to care.
- 08-22-2011, 07:48 PM #33JustinGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
nospam wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:12:02 -0400]:
> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
>> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
>> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
>> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
>> >
>> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
>> > much coverage there.
>>
>> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
>> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
>> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
>> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
>> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
>> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
>> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
>
> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
> and t-mobile to care.
Glacier: 2216109 last year
Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
- 08-22-2011, 07:48 PM #34JustinGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
nospam wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:12:02 -0400]:
> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
>> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
>> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
>> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
>> >
>> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
>> > much coverage there.
>>
>> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
>> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
>> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
>> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
>> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
>> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
>> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
>
> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
> and t-mobile to care.
Glacier: 2216109 last year
Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
- 08-22-2011, 07:54 PM #35nospamGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, Justin <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Glacier: 2216109 last year
> Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
so at best, a little more than 1% of the population.
- 08-22-2011, 07:54 PM #36nospamGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, Justin <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Glacier: 2216109 last year
> Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
so at best, a little more than 1% of the population.
- 08-22-2011, 07:55 PM #37Steve SobolGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, SMS says...
> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
No, it would *not.*
Yes, some rural areas would be covered under the merged company that
weren't previously covered by one carrier or the other.
The benefit wouldn't be all that great. Certainly not as awesome as AT&T
wants to claim.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/WebDev/IT Support
[email protected]
- 08-22-2011, 07:55 PM #38Steve SobolGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, SMS says...
> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
No, it would *not.*
Yes, some rural areas would be covered under the merged company that
weren't previously covered by one carrier or the other.
The benefit wouldn't be all that great. Certainly not as awesome as AT&T
wants to claim.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/WebDev/IT Support
[email protected]
- 08-22-2011, 07:57 PM #39Steve SobolGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, Justin says...
> Glacier: 2216109 last year
> Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
The question is whether PagePlus has hired Mr. Scharf yet. He'd make a
good shill.
Seriously, Steven, we all know you're happy with PagePlus. We're aware
that there are areas covered by Verizon that aren't covered by the other
carriers. But could you do all of us a favor and stop crowing about how
PagePlus is God's gift to the American cellular consumer? Because it
isn't. It's not the perfect solution for everyone.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/WebDev/IT Support
[email protected]
- 08-22-2011, 07:57 PM #40Steve SobolGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
In article <[email protected]>, Justin says...
> Glacier: 2216109 last year
> Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
The question is whether PagePlus has hired Mr. Scharf yet. He'd make a
good shill.
Seriously, Steven, we all know you're happy with PagePlus. We're aware
that there are areas covered by Verizon that aren't covered by the other
carriers. But could you do all of us a favor and stop crowing about how
PagePlus is God's gift to the American cellular consumer? Because it
isn't. It's not the perfect solution for everyone.
--
Steve Sobol - Programming/WebDev/IT Support
[email protected]
- 08-22-2011, 07:59 PM #41Paul MinerGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:48:33 +0000 (UTC), Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nospam wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:12:02 -0400]:
>> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
>>> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
>>> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
>>> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
>>> >
>>> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
>>> > much coverage there.
>>>
>>> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
>>> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
>>> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
>>> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
>>> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
>>> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
>>> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
>>
>> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
>> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
>> and t-mobile to care.
>
>Glacier: 2216109 last year
>Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
Would it be safe to assume that those are visitor totals?
If so, how many are US citizens? I know when I go to a National Park
I'm much more likely to hear people speaking languages other than
English.
Second, of the visitors who live in this country, how many are at&t
customers, or T-Mo customers, or even Sprint customers? A few
thousand? A hundred thousand? Not nearly enough for the carriers to
worry about.
--
Paul Miner
- 08-22-2011, 07:59 PM #42Paul MinerGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:48:33 +0000 (UTC), Justin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>nospam wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:12:02 -0400]:
>> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
>>> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
>>> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
>>> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
>>> >
>>> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
>>> > much coverage there.
>>>
>>> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
>>> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
>>> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
>>> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
>>> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
>>> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
>>> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
>>
>> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
>> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
>> and t-mobile to care.
>
>Glacier: 2216109 last year
>Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
Would it be safe to assume that those are visitor totals?
If so, how many are US citizens? I know when I go to a National Park
I'm much more likely to hear people speaking languages other than
English.
Second, of the visitors who live in this country, how many are at&t
customers, or T-Mo customers, or even Sprint customers? A few
thousand? A hundred thousand? Not nearly enough for the carriers to
worry about.
--
Paul Miner
- 08-22-2011, 08:13 PM #43SMSGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
On 8/22/2011 6:12 PM, nospam wrote:
> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
> and t-mobile to care.
In 2010, over 280 million people visited national parks. In 2010, over 4
million people visited Yosemite, and 1.6 million visited Glacier
National Park.
It's clearly enough for AT&T to have put in a cell in Yosemite Valley.
Verizon and Sprint rely on a roaming partner. T-Mobile has no coverage
at all (other than 911).
- 08-22-2011, 08:13 PM #44SMSGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
On 8/22/2011 6:12 PM, nospam wrote:
> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
> and t-mobile to care.
In 2010, over 280 million people visited national parks. In 2010, over 4
million people visited Yosemite, and 1.6 million visited Glacier
National Park.
It's clearly enough for AT&T to have put in a cell in Yosemite Valley.
Verizon and Sprint rely on a roaming partner. T-Mobile has no coverage
at all (other than 911).
- 08-22-2011, 08:59 PM #45JustinGuest
Re: AT&T Minimum Texting Plan Price Quadruples in One Year
Paul Miner wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:59:47 -0500]:
> On Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:48:33 +0000 (UTC), Justin
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>nospam wrote on [Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:12:02 -0400]:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, SMS
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >> And not to pick on Sprint's MVNOs too much, three of those places have
>>>> >> no T-Mobile coverage, and two have no AT&T coverage. The T-Mobile
>>>> >> acquisition would be good for coverage since with a combined network,
>>>> >> only one of those areas would have no coverage at all.
>>>> >
>>>> > those are rural areas where people rarely go, which is why there's not
>>>> > much coverage there.
>>>>
>>>> But lots of people go through rural areas. Lots of people go to
>>>> Yosemite, Kirkwood Ski area, & Glacier National Park, and lots of people
>>>> drive up the coast through far northwestern California. I chose Hamburg,
>>>> MN, only because some friends of mine live there (they are on T-Mobile)
>>>> and they came on a trip up the Pacific Coast with us in July. It was
>>>> very annoying to be calling them and often having the call go to voice
>>>> mail because of the lack of T-Mobile coverage.
>>>
>>> there are 300 million people in the usa. how many go to yosemite or
>>> glacier every year out of those 300 million? it's not enough for at&t
>>> and t-mobile to care.
>>
>>Glacier: 2216109 last year
>>Yosemite: 3.5 million a year
>
> Would it be safe to assume that those are visitor totals?
>
> If so, how many are US citizens? I know when I go to a National Park
> I'm much more likely to hear people speaking languages other than
> English.
>
> Second, of the visitors who live in this country, how many are at&t
> customers, or T-Mo customers, or even Sprint customers? A few
> thousand? A hundred thousand? Not nearly enough for the carriers to
> worry about.
Why do you have to live in the US to have a cell phone?
I know when I travel abroad I buy a burner and a local SIM
EVery time I have been to Glacier, and it's 7 or 8 times as we used to
have close by relatives, the visitors were very white and mostly american.
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