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- 02-17-2004, 04:59 AM #1Robert M.Guest
$15 /share or $41 Billion dollars. Guaranteed to make the new larger
Cingular a money loser for 3 years.
AWE (AT&T Wireless) stock closed Friday at $11.67 after starting
December 2003 at $7 /share. One could have made a pile of money by
buying AT&T Call options in December.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...9&e=1&u=/nm/20
040217/bs_nm/telecoms_attwireless_dc
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- 02-17-2004, 05:43 PM #2Chris RussellGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive cash
flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
paste URLs again.
Chris
"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> $15 /share or $41 Billion dollars. Guaranteed to make the new larger
> Cingular a money loser for 3 years.
>
> AWE (AT&T Wireless) stock closed Friday at $11.67 after starting
> December 2003 at $7 /share. One could have made a pile of money by
> buying AT&T Call options in December.
>
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...9&e=1&u=/nm/20
> 040217/bs_nm/telecoms_attwireless_dc
- 02-17-2004, 09:41 PM #3Stuart FriedmanGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
T-Mobile also wins. The FCC is going to force them to divest some of their
licenses as a prerequisite to the merger. As the only other VOIP provider,
who is likely to win from that?
Stu
"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive cash
> flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
> paste URLs again.
>
> Chris
>
> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > $15 /share or $41 Billion dollars. Guaranteed to make the new larger
> > Cingular a money loser for 3 years.
> >
> > AWE (AT&T Wireless) stock closed Friday at $11.67 after starting
> > December 2003 at $7 /share. One could have made a pile of money by
> > buying AT&T Call options in December.
> >
> >
> >
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...9&e=1&u=/nm/20
> > 040217/bs_nm/telecoms_attwireless_dc
>
>
- 02-17-2004, 09:52 PM #4N9WOSGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
> T-Mobile also wins. The FCC is going to force them to divest some of
their
> licenses as a prerequisite to the merger.
The only licenses I know of, that could be lost is
the cellular licenses along the east shore of Florida.
But, considering how verizon, sprint, and a few others
have good pcs coverage there, because of it being a
heavy tourist destination.
I don't see the FCC forcing them to sell the licenses.
And if they did, Alltel would be the ideal company to acquire them.
They already own the other half of Florida on the B side.
T mobile would have no use for 800Mhz licenses.
>As the only other VOIP provider,
> who is likely to win from that?
What does voice over IP have to do with it?
- 02-18-2004, 01:44 AM #5Bill RadioGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
The feds have said the merger could pass without any restrictions. As long
as there 2 or 3 carriers in each of their markets, the FCC/FTC won't care.
Florida? I think Texas would be the bigger issue.
The only way T-Mobile comes into play is they may be the most likely to be
acquired next.
Bill Radio
Click for Western U.S. Wireless Reviews at:
http://www.mountainwireless.com
"Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> T-Mobile also wins. The FCC is going to force them to divest some of
their
> licenses as a prerequisite to the merger. As the only other VOIP
provider,
> who is likely to win from that?
>
> Stu
>
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive
cash
> > flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
> > paste URLs again.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > $15 /share or $41 Billion dollars. Guaranteed to make the new larger
> > > Cingular a money loser for 3 years.
> > >
> > > AWE (AT&T Wireless) stock closed Friday at $11.67 after starting
> > > December 2003 at $7 /share. One could have made a pile of money by
> > > buying AT&T Call options in December.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...9&e=1&u=/nm/20
> > > 040217/bs_nm/telecoms_attwireless_dc
> >
> >
>
>
- 02-18-2004, 05:52 AM #6Robert M.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
In article <[email protected]>,
"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive cash
> flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
> paste URLs again.
You read it again, positive cash flow alone does not make one
profitable. Cingular said they will not be profitable until 2007.
- 02-18-2004, 07:45 AM #7Chris RussellGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
I disagree, positive cash flow is the doorway to profit. Incoming cash
value over outgoing expenses creates profit before the accounting BS.
Chris
"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive
cash
> > flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
> > paste URLs again.
>
> You read it again, positive cash flow alone does not make one
> profitable. Cingular said they will not be profitable until 2007.
- 02-18-2004, 08:34 AM #8Robert M.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
In article <z%[email protected]>,
"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I disagree, positive cash flow is the doorway to profit. Incoming cash
> value over outgoing expenses creates profit before the accounting BS.
>
> Chris
Fine but you were incorrect in accusing me of misrepresenting the story,
Cingular will not be profitable till 2007 by their own admission.
>
> "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive
> cash
> > > flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy and
> > > paste URLs again.
> >
> > You read it again, positive cash flow alone does not make one
> > profitable. Cingular said they will not be profitable until 2007.
- 02-18-2004, 04:48 PM #9Chris RussellGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
As usual Philly, you only put part of the relevant info into your original
post (usually the negative implication and not the positive
possibilities-it's just a continuation of your alt.cellular.sprintpcs and
alt.cellular.attws trolling activity under more than 50 different IDs-I
don't keep exact count like Bob Smith does).
Chris
"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <z%[email protected]>,
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I disagree, positive cash flow is the doorway to profit. Incoming cash
> > value over outgoing expenses creates profit before the accounting BS.
> >
> > Chris
>
> Fine but you were incorrect in accusing me of misrepresenting the story,
>
> Cingular will not be profitable till 2007 by their own admission.
>
>
> >
> > "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Read the story again Philly, Cingular thinks it will have a positive
> > cash
> > > > flow in as little as 22 months in 2005. Another of your stupid copy
and
> > > > paste URLs again.
> > >
> > > You read it again, positive cash flow alone does not make one
> > > profitable. Cingular said they will not be profitable until 2007.
- 02-18-2004, 06:48 PM #10Robert M.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
In article <[email protected]>,
"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> drivel, Chris
I mere quoted from Cingular's own press release.
They say they will not be profitable until 2007.
They are paying $2350 per customer.
How many new customers could say Sprint PCS get if they paid you $1000
for signing a 3 year contract?
- 02-18-2004, 07:04 PM #11John NavasGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <[email protected]> on Thu, 19 Feb
2004 00:48:19 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> drivel, Chris
>
>I mere quoted from Cingular's own press release.
>
>They say they will not be profitable until 2007.
>
>They are paying $2350 per customer.
>
>How many new customers could say Sprint PCS get if they paid you $1000
>for signing a 3 year contract?
As I wrote in another thread, that ignores the huge value of the spectrum and
infrastructure.
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- 02-18-2004, 07:36 PM #12Robert M.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Thu, 19 Feb
> 2004 00:48:19 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> drivel, Chris
> >
> >I mere quoted from Cingular's own press release.
> >
> >They say they will not be profitable until 2007.
> >
> >They are paying $2350 per customer.
> >
> >How many new customers could say Sprint PCS get if they paid you $1000
> >for signing a 3 year contract?
>
> As I wrote in another thread, that ignores the huge value of the spectrum and
> infrastructure.
anyway you slice it Cingular got caught up in a bidding war and over
paid. Maybe you could justify $11/share; not $15.
- 02-19-2004, 03:40 AM #13Ken W.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
"Bill Radio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The feds have said the merger could pass without any restrictions. As long
> as there 2 or 3 carriers in each of their markets, the FCC/FTC won't care.
> Florida? I think Texas would be the bigger issue.
The FCC wants wireless mergers. Consolidation in wireless is long overdue.
- 02-19-2004, 09:39 AM #14Chris RussellGuest
Re: Cingular "wins"
Once again Philly, you left this out from the news release:
"Cingular expects the combined operations will generate positive free cash
flow in 2005."
Quit emplacing the negative and give all the pertinent info.
This is what you called drivel:
As usual Philly, you only put part of the relevant info into your original
post (usually the negative implication and not the positive
possibilities-it's just a continuation of your alt.cellular.sprintpcs and
alt.cellular.attws trolling activity under more than 50 different IDs-I
don't keep exact count like Bob Smith does).
Chris
"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > drivel, Chris
>
> I mere quoted from Cingular's own press release.
>
> They say they will not be profitable until 2007.
>
> They are paying $2350 per customer.
>
> How many new customers could say Sprint PCS get if they paid you $1000
> for signing a 3 year contract?
- 02-19-2004, 01:13 PM #15Robert M.Guest
Re: Cingular "wins"
In article <[email protected]>,
"Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Cingular expects the combined operations will generate positive free cash
> flow in 2005."
"Cingular expects to return to profitability in 2007"
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