Cingular-AT&TWS combined Cellular map posted

dirty rat 753 wrote:
>
> Great coverage map. Thanks.
>
> "WAW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > There's a map that includes all AWE and Cingular coverage available
> > from SBC's Investor relations site. It's in a large PDF located at
> > http://www.sbc.com/Investor/Financia...s/slide_c.pdf.
> > Check out page 9.

That's a license area map, not a coverage map. There are vast areas on
that map that have no Cingular/ATTWS coverage. Also, that map does not
differentiate between cellular and PCS licenses. Many PCS licenses are
very sparsely built out to this date.

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XFF <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Terry Knab wrote:
> > To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and of
> > itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big regionals
> > who can buy the overlapping licenses, simply because ALLTEL is already
> > there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too far
> > east for their liking.
>
> Actually ALLTEL does not have any of the overlapping licenses in
> question and would be a perfect fit for them. IMHO, there's a greater
> than 50% chance that ALLTEL will end up with the overlapping markets in
> FL.

ALLTEL does have a 10 MHz PCS E system in Jacksonville, which could
run afoul of my suggestion that only new entrants to the markets might
be allowed to vie for the divested Cingular-AT&TWS Cellular licenses.
Other than that, the BellSouth Mobility B-side licenses in Florida
would be an incredibly harmonious match for ALLTEL, allowing it to
usurp even the McCaw stronghold legacy of AT&TWS as the most
ubiquitous wireless carrier throughout Florida.

If Michael Powell has any sense, both commercial & political, if he
would stop listening to special interests and get out of big business'
pocket for a minute, then the FCC will not allow VZW & Cingular-AT&TWS
to rule the world.

Andrew
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[email protected]
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"Terry Knab" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult
> especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones that
> would have to be migrated one way or another to GSM or CDMA. I doubt
> ALLTEL, WW, or USCC has that kind of cash to do a full scale conversion.
>
> I believe WW actually *sold* a couple of markets to ATT not too long ago.
>
> To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and of
> itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big regionals
> who can buy the overlapping licenses, simply because ALLTEL is already
> there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too far
> east for their liking.

I think you sorely underestimate ALLTEL in particular. I may yet
again be going out on a limb, but I even hypothesize that ALLTEL, if
able to secure sufficient financial backing, might at some point
attempt a preemptive bid for Sprint, as acquisition of Sprint's FON &
PCS Groups would vault ALLTEL into the telecom big time.

Regardless, ALLTEL is a veteran of numerous conversions & overlays.
True, the BAM & GTE detritus markets from the VZW merger (Albuquerque,
Cleveland, El Paso, Mobile, Phoenix, & Tampa) were already CDMA. But
ALLTEL overlaid New Orleans' SBC Radiofone directly from AMPS to CDMA,
as the SBC acquisition did not even have opportunity to go IS-136 TDMA
before the Cingular partnership made the New Orleans A-side license
redundant. And ALLTEL has overlaid essentially an entire state,
Kansas, w/ CDMA, converting its acquired Kansas Cellular system to
CDMA/TDMA/AMPS.

And you also overestimate the difficulty & cost of air-interface
conversion, particularly when transitioning from IS-136 TDMA to
IS-95/IS-2000 CDMA or vice versa. Unlike GSM, both TDMA & CDMA share
the IS-41 MAP, the underlying network protocol on top of which the
air-interface resides. Regardless of whether or not the spurned
licenses & networks of Cingular-AT&TWS are from specifically Cingular
or AT&TWS, along w/ potentially GSM/GPRS 850 infrastructure in the
case of Cingular, each would definitely include TDMA/AMPS 800 systems
based upon the IS-41 MAP. So, while the air-interface infrastructure
would have to be replaced, should any of the three aforementioned CDMA
carriers acquire the divested networks, the IS-41 network
infrastructure could be salvaged to a great degree.

Andrew
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Andrew Shepherd
[email protected]
[email protected]
http://www.ku.edu/home/cinema/

"Andrew Shepherd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Terry Knab" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> > Selling to new entrants in a market? That would be pretty difficult
> > especially considering that we're talking about TDMA systems here, ones
that
> > would have to be migrated one way or another to GSM or CDMA. I doubt
> > ALLTEL, WW, or USCC has that kind of cash to do a full scale conversion.
> >
> > I believe WW actually *sold* a couple of markets to ATT not too long
ago.
> >
> > To bring a totally new entrant into a market will be a challenge in and
of
> > itself. In the case of Florida, there's not really one of the big
regionals
> > who can buy the overlapping licenses, simply because ALLTEL is already
> > there, USCC is still getting Chicago in order, and WW would find it too
far
> > east for their liking.
>
> I think you sorely underestimate ALLTEL in particular. I may yet
> again be going out on a limb, but I even hypothesize that ALLTEL, if
> able to secure sufficient financial backing, might at some point
> attempt a preemptive bid for Sprint, as acquisition of Sprint's FON &
> PCS Groups would vault ALLTEL into the telecom big time.

That's the big question if they can get the capital to do it. As it stands
now, they need Verizon more than Verizon needs them for a roaming partner.

>
> Regardless, ALLTEL is a veteran of numerous conversions & overlays.
> True, the BAM & GTE detritus markets from the VZW merger (Albuquerque,
> Cleveland, El Paso, Mobile, Phoenix, & Tampa) were already CDMA. But
> ALLTEL overlaid New Orleans' SBC Radiofone directly from AMPS to CDMA,
> as the SBC acquisition did not even have opportunity to go IS-136 TDMA
> before the Cingular partnership made the New Orleans A-side license
> redundant. And ALLTEL has overlaid essentially an entire state,
> Kansas, w/ CDMA, converting its acquired Kansas Cellular system to
> CDMA/TDMA/AMPS.

But that still costs money. ALLTEL to me at least doesn't know what they're
doing. I've tried them in a couple of markets and they left a lot service
and customer service wise.

And in what time frame? ALLTEL does things on the cheap. Its not a big
secret that half their switches were never upgraded from whomever they
bought out.

There was also a difference in the VZ acquisitions, those didn't cost them
much, they just swapped markets.

(And if ALLTEL makes a run for Sprint, I make a run for T-Mobile or Nextel,
I refuse to buy anything from ALLTEL)

>
> And you also overestimate the difficulty & cost of air-interface
> conversion, particularly when transitioning from IS-136 TDMA to
> IS-95/IS-2000 CDMA or vice versa. Unlike GSM, both TDMA & CDMA share
> the IS-41 MAP, the underlying network protocol on top of which the
> air-interface resides. Regardless of whether or not the spurned
> licenses & networks of Cingular-AT&TWS are from specifically Cingular
> or AT&TWS, along w/ potentially GSM/GPRS 850 infrastructure in the
> case of Cingular, each would definitely include TDMA/AMPS 800 systems
> based upon the IS-41 MAP. So, while the air-interface infrastructure
> would have to be replaced, should any of the three aforementioned CDMA
> carriers acquire the divested networks, the IS-41 network
> infrastructure could be salvaged to a great degree.

Point well taken. /

[email protected] (tom glaab) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> "Stephen R. Conrad" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > Do the white areas represent no coverage? Thus, no cingular or att in the
> > Cleveland, OH market. This is clearly not the case.
>
> The maps only show cellular (800/850MHz) coverage. PCS (1900MHz)
> coverage is NOT shown.

They don't show any coverage. They show the licensed cellular
footprint of the two companies. Not all the licensed areas
necessarily provide service (coverage).