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- 02-23-2004, 04:15 PM #1PDA ManGuest
CANNES, France-More than 1 billion people are now using GSM-based mobile
phones, the GSM Association announced this week in accordance with the 3GSM
Wold Congress being held in Cannes, France.
According to the GSM Association, that milestone means the technology is
used by one in six of the world's population, in more than 200 countries and
territories, and is chosen by 80 percent of all new mobile customers.
"GSM was born out of the revolutionary vision that mobile phones should keep
customers connected anytime, anywhere, even when crossing borders," said Rob
Conway, chief executive of the GSM Association. "That revolution has gained
currency and support faster than even the most optimistic dreams of its
founders."
3G Americas added to the GSM Association's findings, reporting 100-percent
annual growth for GSM technology in the Americas in 2003, including an
increase in subscriber base of nearly 150 percent in Latin America, and
77-percent growth in the North American market.
Speaking monetarily, global revenues attributable to GSM technology totaled
$277 billion in 2003, according to a new report from Deutsche Bank. The
report further forecasts GSM revenues will grow to $500 billion in 2005.
Separately, 3G Americas recently announced Chris Pearson will now serve as
president of the organization. Pearson has served as the group's executive
vice president and senior operating officer since it was created in 2002.
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- 02-24-2004, 06:24 PM #2Chris RussellGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
It's still poorer in voice quality than CDMA. GSM only got so big due to
legally enforced mandates.
Chris
"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> CANNES, France-More than 1 billion people are now using GSM-based mobile
> phones, the GSM Association announced this week in accordance with the
3GSM
> Wold Congress being held in Cannes, France.
>
> According to the GSM Association, that milestone means the technology is
> used by one in six of the world's population, in more than 200 countries
and
> territories, and is chosen by 80 percent of all new mobile customers.
>
> "GSM was born out of the revolutionary vision that mobile phones should
keep
> customers connected anytime, anywhere, even when crossing borders," said
Rob
> Conway, chief executive of the GSM Association. "That revolution has
gained
> currency and support faster than even the most optimistic dreams of its
> founders."
>
> 3G Americas added to the GSM Association's findings, reporting 100-percent
> annual growth for GSM technology in the Americas in 2003, including an
> increase in subscriber base of nearly 150 percent in Latin America, and
> 77-percent growth in the North American market.
>
> Speaking monetarily, global revenues attributable to GSM technology
totaled
> $277 billion in 2003, according to a new report from Deutsche Bank. The
> report further forecasts GSM revenues will grow to $500 billion in 2005.
>
> Separately, 3G Americas recently announced Chris Pearson will now serve as
> president of the organization. Pearson has served as the group's executive
> vice president and senior operating officer since it was created in 2002.
>
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- 02-24-2004, 06:39 PM #3John NavasGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
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Rubbish.
In <[email protected]> on Wed, 25 Feb 2004
00:24:52 GMT, "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's still poorer in voice quality than CDMA. GSM only got so big due to
>legally enforced mandates.
>
>Chris
>
>"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news[email protected]...
>>
>> CANNES, France-More than 1 billion people are now using GSM-based mobile
>> phones, the GSM Association announced this week in accordance with the
>3GSM
>> Wold Congress being held in Cannes, France.
>>
>> According to the GSM Association, that milestone means the technology is
>> used by one in six of the world's population, in more than 200 countries
>and
>> territories, and is chosen by 80 percent of all new mobile customers.
>>
>> "GSM was born out of the revolutionary vision that mobile phones should
>keep
>> customers connected anytime, anywhere, even when crossing borders," said
>Rob
>> Conway, chief executive of the GSM Association. "That revolution has
>gained
>> currency and support faster than even the most optimistic dreams of its
>> founders."
>>
>> 3G Americas added to the GSM Association's findings, reporting 100-percent
>> annual growth for GSM technology in the Americas in 2003, including an
>> increase in subscriber base of nearly 150 percent in Latin America, and
>> 77-percent growth in the North American market.
>>
>> Speaking monetarily, global revenues attributable to GSM technology
>totaled
>> $277 billion in 2003, according to a new report from Deutsche Bank. The
>> report further forecasts GSM revenues will grow to $500 billion in 2005.
>>
>> Separately, 3G Americas recently announced Chris Pearson will now serve as
>> president of the organization. Pearson has served as the group's executive
>> vice president and senior operating officer since it was created in 2002.
>>
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- 02-24-2004, 07:40 PM #4Chris RussellGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
You may think so John, but I have both and hands down the Sprint CDMA phone
has much better audio. Both are current Nokia models, so audio capabilities
are pretty even. GSM offers no benefit over CDMA. In fact , why are the
European carriers trying to amend their GSM-only laws to install the CDMA
overlay for GSM?
Chris
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> Rubbish.
>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 25 Feb 2004
> 00:24:52 GMT, "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It's still poorer in voice quality than CDMA. GSM only got so big due to
> >legally enforced mandates.
> >
> >Chris
> >
> >"PDA Man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news[email protected]...
> >>
> >> CANNES, France-More than 1 billion people are now using GSM-based
mobile
> >> phones, the GSM Association announced this week in accordance with the
> >3GSM
> >> Wold Congress being held in Cannes, France.
> >>
> >> According to the GSM Association, that milestone means the technology
is
> >> used by one in six of the world's population, in more than 200
countries
> >and
> >> territories, and is chosen by 80 percent of all new mobile customers.
> >>
> >> "GSM was born out of the revolutionary vision that mobile phones should
> >keep
> >> customers connected anytime, anywhere, even when crossing borders,"
said
> >Rob
> >> Conway, chief executive of the GSM Association. "That revolution has
> >gained
> >> currency and support faster than even the most optimistic dreams of its
> >> founders."
> >>
> >> 3G Americas added to the GSM Association's findings, reporting
100-percent
> >> annual growth for GSM technology in the Americas in 2003, including an
> >> increase in subscriber base of nearly 150 percent in Latin America, and
> >> 77-percent growth in the North American market.
> >>
> >> Speaking monetarily, global revenues attributable to GSM technology
> >totaled
> >> $277 billion in 2003, according to a new report from Deutsche Bank. The
> >> report further forecasts GSM revenues will grow to $500 billion in
2005.
> >>
> >> Separately, 3G Americas recently announced Chris Pearson will now serve
as
> >> president of the organization. Pearson has served as the group's
executive
> >> vice president and senior operating officer since it was created in
2002.
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Commercial. I would like everyone to stop buy and check it out. Please
> >feel
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> >>
> >>
> >
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- 02-24-2004, 08:27 PM #5JosephGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:52 GMT, "Chris Russell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It's still poorer in voice quality than CDMA. GSM only got so big due to
>legally enforced mandates.
Says you. The majority of people think CDMA has a metalic unnatural
sound as compared to GSM. Of course you can skew anything to suit
your own axe that you're grinding.
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- 02-24-2004, 08:46 PM #6Chris RussellGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
Oh really? That's why about 50 million people in the US use CDMA because
the sound is tinny? Hogwash! Every CDMA phone I have used gave much truer
audio than TDMA/GSM(a version of TDMA)/AMPS phones. Some good AMPS
connections were better than many Cingular 850 overlay GSM connections. I
get better GSM on ATTWS and T-Mobile, but it still isn't better than my SPCS
Nokia 3588i. I have been forced to refuse the Cell Barr in the bad 850
Cingular locations to get TDMA. I'm not grinding an axe, I just call it as
I hear it. If you haven't had CDMA service, you don't have any right to
comment on CDMA service. I have never seen any comments on the sound being
tinny either.
Chris
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 00:24:52 GMT, "Chris Russell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It's still poorer in voice quality than CDMA. GSM only got so big due to
> >legally enforced mandates.
>
> Says you. The majority of people think CDMA has a metalic unnatural
> sound as compared to GSM. Of course you can skew anything to suit
> your own axe that you're grinding.
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- 02-25-2004, 08:59 AM #7JosephGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:40:27 GMT, "Chris Russell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You may think so John, but I have both and hands down the Sprint CDMA phone
>has much better audio. Both are current Nokia models, so audio capabilities
>are pretty even. GSM offers no benefit over CDMA. In fact , why are the
>European carriers trying to amend their GSM-only laws to install the CDMA
>overlay for GSM?
Like everything else people have their differing opinions. Your
opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's. CDMA for
one thing requires that you program a phone rather than program a
SIM/smart card. You are basically married to a phone until you either
call your provider to change your ESN or use some other facility to
change the ESN for your current phone.
And European carriers are not trying to amend their GSM only laws.
CDMA is or will be the next step to GSM's path to 3G. GSM is not
going away if that's what you are inferring.
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- 02-25-2004, 09:06 AM #8JosephGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:46:20 GMT, "Chris Russell"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Oh really? That's why about 50 million people in the US use CDMA because
>the sound is tinny? Hogwash! Every CDMA phone I have used gave much truer
>audio than TDMA/GSM(a version of TDMA)/AMPS phones. Some good AMPS
>connections were better than many Cingular 850 overlay GSM connections. I
>get better GSM on ATTWS and T-Mobile, but it still isn't better than my SPCS
>Nokia 3588i. I have been forced to refuse the Cell Barr in the bad 850
>Cingular locations to get TDMA. I'm not grinding an axe, I just call it as
>I hear it. If you haven't had CDMA service, you don't have any right to
>comment on CDMA service. I have never seen any comments on the sound being
>tinny either.
Look you can grind your axe til the cows come home it won't change the
fact that 1 billion subscribers world-wide have adopted GSM as the
mobile standard that they use. CDMA has approximately 100,000
subscribers mainly in North America and Korea with another bunch of
subscribers in Australia and New Zealand. If the 1 billion
subscribers are wrong they'll just have to tough it out.
I *have* used both Sprint and Verizon service and to my ear they
sounded metalic and unnatural. That's *my* experience. I don't claim
to have your experience and I don't claim that my audio preferences
are yours. It's been said many times, but people don't seem to hear
it that people perceive what's "better" differently. My perception is
that CDMA sounds metalic. That may not be your experience. Don't
forget that it's also about what handset you are using what you
experience.
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- 02-25-2004, 10:35 AM #9Brsmnky007Guest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
CDMA has approximately 100,000
> subscribers mainly in North America and Korea with another bunch of
> subscribers in Australia and New Zealand.
I think that CDMA may have a few more than that; Verizon alone has ~38
million subscribers, Sprint PCS ~21 million. Once one factors in US
Cellular, Western Wireless, Alltel, etc. the number is probably closer to
100 Million subscribers; perhaps you just made a typo.
- 02-25-2004, 12:07 PM #10RichieGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
CDMA in China uses SIM card and you can change handset just as easily as
GSM.
Technology wise, this is a VHS/Betamax type debate. Who cares what
technology is used so long as the cost is affordable to the consumer? We
all know that the superior technology does not always win.
I love GSM because I can travel anywhere and just buy a prepaid SIM card.
For a consumer's point of view, this saves me money. I like the fact that
I can buy any phone and pop in my SIM card. I can travel around the world
with GSM and be in touch for little cost.
CDMA is a more efficient way to manage the available spectrum. For 2G is
does not really matter but, in order to have 3G, you have to have CDMA
(either CDMA2000 or WCDMA).
I don't use internet on mobile phone because it costs too much. If someone
else pays for me (i.e. my employer) then fine. In the mean time, I'll stick
with GSM.
Cingular gives me good coverage and I'm happy with it (I use about 3,500
minutes per month). Verizon's supposed, but not proven, better coverage is
not worth the extra cost to me. BTW, coverage has nothing to do with the
technology but with how extensive the network is. In Singapore, GSM phones
work everywhere -- in the subway, in hotel lifts, in the basement, etc...
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:40:27 GMT, "Chris Russell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >You may think so John, but I have both and hands down the Sprint CDMA
phone
> >has much better audio. Both are current Nokia models, so audio
capabilities
> >are pretty even. GSM offers no benefit over CDMA. In fact , why are
the
> >European carriers trying to amend their GSM-only laws to install the CDMA
> >overlay for GSM?
>
> Like everything else people have their differing opinions. Your
> opinion is no more or less important than anyone else's. CDMA for
> one thing requires that you program a phone rather than program a
> SIM/smart card. You are basically married to a phone until you either
> call your provider to change your ESN or use some other facility to
> change the ESN for your current phone.
>
> And European carriers are not trying to amend their GSM only laws.
> CDMA is or will be the next step to GSM's path to 3G. GSM is not
> going away if that's what you are inferring.
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- 02-25-2004, 01:37 PM #11John NavasGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 25 Feb 2004
01:40:27 GMT, "Chris Russell" <[email protected]> wrote:
>You may think so John, but I have both and hands down the Sprint CDMA phone
>has much better audio. Both are current Nokia models, so audio capabilities
>are pretty even.
I've tested lots of CDMA and GSM phones, and the better GSM phones have better
audio quality than the better CDMA phones in *real-world* conditions. Unlike
GSM, CDMA quality declines as load increases.
>GSM offers no benefit over CDMA.
That's why Cingular and ATTWS migrated to CDMA? ;-)
>In fact , why are the
>European carriers trying to amend their GSM-only laws to install the CDMA
>overlay for GSM?
Citation?
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- 02-25-2004, 02:01 PM #12N9WOSGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
> Oh really? That's why about 50 million people in the US use CDMA because
> the sound is tinny? Hogwash!
Yes it is hogwash. :-)
Q: The reason that CDMA is used in the USA......
A: Some greedy idiots sold a vapor ware system that
can't live up to it's advertised capabilities.
Hint, the company name starts with "Q"
The people selling the TDMA systems already had
a working product and they was shipping it.
A non proprietary system that was open to anyone.
Kinda like GSM.
The people that owned the CDMA patents needed
a killer app for their proprietary tech.
But they couldn't find anything beyond government
applications that was well suited for the CDMA tech.
Poor them, they had a fancy sounding tech that
wasn't really well cut out for anything big.
Some idiot in qualcomm's management got the brain fart
that they could force fit it into a cellular application.
The had a problem....
They was only starting on it by the time that TDMA was already hitting the
shelves.
So what did they do....
Sell vaporware!
They advertised 20X the system capacity over AMPS!
They got a lot of contracts like that, but the system has never
lived up to the original sales pitch.
It has a real world capacity of around 8X to just barely 10X that of AMPS.
Some ignorant people still quote the 20X figure.
As the saying goes..
No mater how high you stack it, or how fancy you dress it, crap is crap.
The system is hardly changed from it's government predecessor.
It is not optimized for a cellular system.
It's attributes is not ideal for the cellular application.
It is basically a add hock implementation of the technology.
WCDMA is an even more pathetic implementation of the tech.
One base requirement of a cellular interface tech is...
It has to be narrow band by nature.
OR, if it doesn't fit that requirement.
It has to be variable bandwidth, in such that it can reduce it's
Operating bandwidth to equal a narrow band system, when required.
Or expand it's operating bandwidth to the entire band, when required.
That can achieve a true maximum utilization of available spectrum,
Unlike the fixed 5Mhz chunks that WCDMA bites off.
The tech can still be CDMA, but it has to be optimized to it's application.
And that is something that they are not doing.
And if anyone thinks that I have an ax to grind.
YOU BET YA!!!!!!
When I looked over the history of CDMA, It gave me a big fat ax to grind.
We do NOT need WCDMA, in the way that they are implementing it.
The lack of common sense in making a 5Mhz fixed bandwidth if unbelievable.
Any section of bandwidth that can't be divided evenly into that size will
have
A large amount of wasted bandwidth.
It is almost impossible to interwork it with other technologies.
And when you use it by it's self, it can't fully utilize
the noncontiguous allocations in the US cell band.
The extended cell band will be totally worthless with WCDMA.
Even normal CDMA has problems with it's 1.2Mhz bandwidth.
It is just a bad implementation of an inadequate technology.
And the voice quality has nothing to do with the transport tech,
and everything to do with the codec and dedicated bandwidth.
A good codec can be applied to any transport tech,
and you will get high quality sound.
Qualcomm could be commended for making good low data rate
vocorders (codecs), but their over the air transport system sucks.
And a half way good GSM codec at high data rates
will outshine any CDMA codec at low data rates.
- 02-25-2004, 02:26 PM #13Guest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:06:39 -0800, Joseph <[email protected]>
wrote:
<snip>
>CDMA has approximately 100,000
>subscribers mainly in North America and Korea with another bunch of
>subscribers in Australia and New Zealand.
<snip>
Maybe you might want to recheck those numbers?
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- 02-25-2004, 06:30 PM #14Chris RussellGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
Better check your math Joseph, there a few more than "100,000". Oh yes they
have to change the law in Europe as overlaying the WCDMA over GSM, it
totally changes the air interface to spread spectrum. We'll have this
argument forever since you refuse to accept the fact that GSM proliferated
due to GSM-only laws in many of the countries outside North America. Just
because more people use it doesn't make it better.
Chris
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 02:46:20 GMT, "Chris Russell"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Oh really? That's why about 50 million people in the US use CDMA because
> >the sound is tinny? Hogwash! Every CDMA phone I have used gave much
truer
> >audio than TDMA/GSM(a version of TDMA)/AMPS phones. Some good AMPS
> >connections were better than many Cingular 850 overlay GSM connections.
I
> >get better GSM on ATTWS and T-Mobile, but it still isn't better than my
SPCS
> >Nokia 3588i. I have been forced to refuse the Cell Barr in the bad 850
> >Cingular locations to get TDMA. I'm not grinding an axe, I just call it
as
> >I hear it. If you haven't had CDMA service, you don't have any right to
> >comment on CDMA service. I have never seen any comments on the sound
being
> >tinny either.
>
> Look you can grind your axe til the cows come home it won't change the
> fact that 1 billion subscribers world-wide have adopted GSM as the
> mobile standard that they use. CDMA has approximately 100,000
> subscribers mainly in North America and Korea with another bunch of
> subscribers in Australia and New Zealand. If the 1 billion
> subscribers are wrong they'll just have to tough it out.
>
> I *have* used both Sprint and Verizon service and to my ear they
> sounded metalic and unnatural. That's *my* experience. I don't claim
> to have your experience and I don't claim that my audio preferences
> are yours. It's been said many times, but people don't seem to hear
> it that people perceive what's "better" differently. My perception is
> that CDMA sounds metalic. That may not be your experience. Don't
> forget that it's also about what handset you are using what you
> experience.
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- 02-25-2004, 06:38 PM #15Chris RussellGuest
Re: GSM Users Reach 1 Billion
Try going a little bit off the beaten path and then what are you going to do
with your GSM-only phone? Verizon will beat you hands down in that
situation as will my Nokia 6340i on a GAIT Nation plan. BTW, this is the US
not Singapore. Both my 6340i and my SPCS Nokia 3588i have SIM card slots
below the battery.
Chris
"Richie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8v5%[email protected]...
> CDMA in China uses SIM card and you can change handset just as easily as
> GSM.
>
> Technology wise, this is a VHS/Betamax type debate. Who cares what
> technology is used so long as the cost is affordable to the consumer? We
> all know that the superior technology does not always win.
>
> I love GSM because I can travel anywhere and just buy a prepaid SIM card.
> For a consumer's point of view, this saves me money. I like the fact
that
> I can buy any phone and pop in my SIM card. I can travel around the world
> with GSM and be in touch for little cost.
>
> CDMA is a more efficient way to manage the available spectrum. For 2G is
> does not really matter but, in order to have 3G, you have to have CDMA
> (either CDMA2000 or WCDMA).
>
> I don't use internet on mobile phone because it costs too much. If
someone
> else pays for me (i.e. my employer) then fine. In the mean time, I'll
stick
> with GSM.
>
> Cingular gives me good coverage and I'm happy with it (I use about 3,500
> minutes per month). Verizon's supposed, but not proven, better coverage
is
> not worth the extra cost to me. BTW, coverage has nothing to do with the
> technology but with how extensive the network is. In Singapore, GSM
phones
> work everywhere -- in the subway, in hotel lifts, in the basement, etc...
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