Wrong time displayed on phone

My shiny new Motorola V400 GSM phone persists in showing the wrong time -
it's seven minutes later than the actual time. There's no way to set the
time manually, the phone gets the time from the network. The various
Cingular people I've talked to have no answer. Does anyone here know what's
going on?

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I don't remember GSM providing the time over the net.
I thought the phones had to be set manually or synched with a synch
cable/programmer?

Scotty


"John D. Goulden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My shiny new Motorola V400 GSM phone persists in showing the wrong time -
> it's seven minutes later than the actual time. There's no way to set the
> time manually, the phone gets the time from the network. The various
> Cingular people I've talked to have no answer. Does anyone here know
what's
> going on?
>
>

"Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| I don't remember GSM providing the time over the net.
| I thought the phones had to be set manually or synched with a synch
| cable/programmer?
|

Most, if not all GSM towers send out a time/date signal that most GSM
handsets are capable of receiving from

"John D. Goulden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My shiny new Motorola V400 GSM phone persists in showing the wrong time -
> it's seven minutes later than the actual time. There's no way to set the
> time manually, the phone gets the time from the network. The various
> Cingular people I've talked to have no answer. Does anyone here know
what's
> going on?

The V400 is basically the same as my V300, so go to the Menu item "Initial
Setup" and change the "Date & Time" to "Manual" from "Automatic", then you
can set the info from the keypad.
Bob Rann

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 14:57:33 GMT, "Scott Nelson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't remember GSM providing the time over the net.
>I thought the phones had to be set manually or synched with a synch
>cable/programmer?

It depends on which system you are on whether NITZ is present. I know
it's present on the west coast and in the NYC metro area.

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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:09:52 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news[email protected]...
>| I don't remember GSM providing the time over the net.
>| I thought the phones had to be set manually or synched with a synch
>| cable/programmer?
>|
>
>Most, if not all GSM towers send out a time/date signal that most GSM
>handsets are capable of receiving from

Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.
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> > My shiny new Motorola V400 GSM phone persists in showing the wrong
time -
> > it's seven minutes later than the actual time. There's no way to set the
> > time manually, the phone gets the time from the network. The various
> > Cingular people I've talked to have no answer. Does anyone here know
> > what's going on?
>
> The V400 is basically the same as my V300, so go to the Menu item "Initial
> Setup" and change the "Date & Time" to "Manual" from "Automatic", then you
> can set the info from the keypad.
> Bob Rann

Nope - the only option I have under Initial Setting - Date and Time is to
turn Auto Update on or off. There appears to be no way to set the time
manually at all.

"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:09:52 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Scott Nelson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| >news[email protected]...
| >| I don't remember GSM providing the time over the net.
| >| I thought the phones had to be set manually or synched with a synch
| >| cable/programmer?
| >|
| >
| >Most, if not all GSM towers send out a time/date signal that most GSM
| >handsets are capable of receiving from
|
| Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
| systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
| not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.

I didn't say all, I said most to both cases. I didn't say required, I just
said most have it. Boy you sure do carry a grudge. this is kinda fun <wink>.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:27:45 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
>| systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
>| not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.
>
>I didn't say all, I said most to both cases. I didn't say required, I just
>said most have it. Boy you sure do carry a grudge. this is kinda fun <wink>.

OK, let's have some fun. What is *your* definition of most? Just
California and New York or California, New York and Washington? Most
usually implies the majority. Do you know in fact that the majority
of cingular's GSM and TDMA systems have NITZ implemented or is it just
your speculation.

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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:27:45 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| > Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
| >| systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
| >| not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.
| >
| >I didn't say all, I said most to both cases. I didn't say required, I
just
| >said most have it. Boy you sure do carry a grudge. this is kinda fun
<wink>.
|
| OK, let's have some fun. What is *your* definition of most? Just
| California and New York or California, New York and Washington? Most
| usually implies the majority. Do you know in fact that the majority
| of cingular's GSM and TDMA systems have NITZ implemented or is it just
| your speculation.
|

No, most doesn't imply majority, it MEANS majority, or greatest in number.
Yes I do know for a fact that the majority, or most of Cingular's GSM
systems have NITZ active on them. I tend to speak the English language. I am
sorry you don't understand it. ROFL. This is fun <wink>.

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:01:39 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>| On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:27:45 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
>| <[email protected]> wrote:
>|
>| > Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
>| >| systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
>| >| not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.
>| >
>| >I didn't say all, I said most to both cases. I didn't say required, I
>just
>| >said most have it. Boy you sure do carry a grudge. this is kinda fun
><wink>.
>|
>| OK, let's have some fun. What is *your* definition of most? Just
>| California and New York or California, New York and Washington? Most
>| usually implies the majority. Do you know in fact that the majority
>| of cingular's GSM and TDMA systems have NITZ implemented or is it just
>| your speculation.
>|
>
> No, most doesn't imply majority, it MEANS majority, or greatest in number.
>Yes I do know for a fact that the majority, or most of Cingular's GSM
>systems have NITZ active on them. I tend to speak the English language. I am
>sorry you don't understand it. ROFL. This is fun <wink>.

Some people don't have lives and need to play. I understand fully.
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"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:01:39 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
| >
| >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
| >news:[email protected]...
| >| On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:27:45 -0500, "Jason Cothran"
| >| <[email protected]> wrote:
| >|
| >| > Not true. Unlike CDMA systems which require exact time sync GSM
| >| >| systems do not require it though many GSM systems do have NITZ. And
| >| >| not all GSM handsets are capable of automatic time/date update.
| >| >
| >| >I didn't say all, I said most to both cases. I didn't say required, I
| >just
| >| >said most have it. Boy you sure do carry a grudge. this is kinda fun
| ><wink>.
| >|
| >| OK, let's have some fun. What is *your* definition of most? Just
| >| California and New York or California, New York and Washington? Most
| >| usually implies the majority. Do you know in fact that the majority
| >| of cingular's GSM and TDMA systems have NITZ implemented or is it just
| >| your speculation.
| >|
| >
| > No, most doesn't imply majority, it MEANS majority, or greatest in
number.
| >Yes I do know for a fact that the majority, or most of Cingular's GSM
| >systems have NITZ active on them. I tend to speak the English language. I
am
| >sorry you don't understand it. ROFL. This is fun <wink>.
|
| Some people don't have lives and need to play. I understand fully.


It does appear that way

Uhhh.. ok..
Turn Autoupdate Off.. then the options appear to change the date/time!
"John D. Goulden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > > My shiny new Motorola V400 GSM phone persists in showing the wrong
> time -
> > > it's seven minutes later than the actual time. There's no way to set
the
> > > time manually, the phone gets the time from the network. The various
> > > Cingular people I've talked to have no answer. Does anyone here know
> > > what's going on?
> >
> > The V400 is basically the same as my V300, so go to the Menu item
"Initial
> > Setup" and change the "Date & Time" to "Manual" from "Automatic", then
you
> > can set the info from the keypad.
> > Bob Rann
>
> Nope - the only option I have under Initial Setting - Date and Time is to
> turn Auto Update on or off. There appears to be no way to set the time
> manually at all.
>
>

> Turn Autoupdate Off.. then the options appear to change the date/time!

Yep, that works (I had turned AutoUpdate off before but didn't see the
additional options.) and following your instructions I can reset my clock to
the correct time. However, as soon as I turn AutoUpdate back on the time
changes right back to 8 minutes fast.

The only conclusion I can think of is that Cingular, either accidentally or
deliberately, is broadcasting the wrong time.

--
John Goulden

"John D. Goulden" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Yep, that works (I had turned AutoUpdate off before but didn't see the
> additional options.) and following your instructions I can reset my clock to
> the correct time. However, as soon as I turn AutoUpdate back on the time
> changes right back to 8 minutes fast.

Oldest joke in the world:

I went to the doctor and said "Doc, it hurts when I do this." The
Doctor said "then don't do that..."

DON'T turn auto-update back on! The phone clock is probably accurate
to a few seconds a month, so you'll have upgraded phones by the time
it's off by a few minutes!

> The only conclusion I can think of is that Cingular, either accidentally or
> deliberately, is broadcasting the wrong time.

Bingo- give that man a cigar!

I'll guess it's accidental- unless you think it's a dirty trick to
bill you for 8 minutes of airtime each night when you THINK it's a 9pm
free nights call, but it's really only 8:52! ;-)

The time set feature is just a convenience. It's like those
auto-timeset VCRs that get a time signal from the local PBS station.
It's only as accurate as the guy who punched the time in the computer
at the central office...