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  1. #16
    Scott
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    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    > Does anyone have any opinions on comparing the value of Cingular's
    > rollover minutes (GSM) to Nextel's free incoming plans?
    >
    > I'm leaning toward the Nextel free incoming as being the more
    > attractive, but maybe I'm missing something.
    >
    > Thanks.
    >


    Wow, tough question, especially if Nextel and Cingular offer good
    coverage in the area that you live and mostly travel to. I have a
    love/hate thing with Nextel and I *ONLY* stay because of the free
    incoming minutes and direct connect. True other carriers offer free
    mobile-to-mobile options, but, many of my calls are from current or
    perspective clients who are not calling from a mobile phone. I very
    freely give out my number due to the free incoming plan.



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  2. #17
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Cingular GSM . . . Great handsets, reliable network, not much more to say
    > but it just WORKS


    Well, that's good to know. That was an underlying question of mine. I
    currently have the Cingular Nation plan from about 2 years ago, where
    every call is a local call (just like the current Nation GAIT plan), and
    was/am hesitant to move to GSM.

    But I figured, if I'm going to move to Cingular GSM, I might as well
    look around at everyone else, then, including Nextel. I've had Nextel
    before, and in general your assessment isn't too far off the mark--but
    that was 3 years ago when I left them. I don't know how it is today.



    > If people try to call your nextel
    > handset and you are in an area with a GOOD signal . . . they will either get
    > a busy signal (while you are NOT USING THE HANDSET), or their calls will go
    > straight to voicemail. (free WHAT?!?!? . . . there's no such thing as
    > incoming calls on the nextel network!!!) -Dave


    Frankly, I get the same behavior on my Cingular phone today. Not very
    often, but often enough to be very noticeable. My phone will be dead
    silent and then all of the sudden alert me to a new voicemail. But the
    phone never rang...




  3. #18
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Mark <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >I'm leaning toward the Nextel free incoming as being the more
    > >attractive, but maybe I'm missing something.
    > >
    > >Thanks.

    >
    >
    > What is your main usage? Do you need to be available to people calling you,
    > or do you need to make many calls. That should help you answer your own
    > question.


    It's split about even, which means the free incoming extends the minutes
    I buy. I wouldn't hesitate to leverage the free incoming by having
    colleagues call me back.




  4. #19
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > No, Nextel is phone service, too.
    > >

    >
    > Have you carried a nextel handset? I have. If it's phone service also, you
    > couldn't prove it by me. -Dave


    Yes, I have. Had it 3 years ago.




  5. #20
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Consider that most long conversations are with your closest
    > > friends and family members.

    >
    > Certainly not everyone, usually not with business phones.


    That's my use for this--business.

    Someone else mentioned the crummy selection of phones at Nextel. Well,
    for my purposes, just about EVERYONE has a crummy selection of
    phones--because I don't want camera phones, I don't want mp3 phones, I
    don't do web browsing, I don't want a PDA, etc. I want a voice phone
    for BUSINESS purposes.

    And when you start looking at *anyone's* selection of phones, there's
    usually only one or two that are aimed at business users using them for
    voice.

    It's a market aimed at teeny-boppers and attracting their entertainment
    dollar. At least Nextel is aimed squarely at the business market, at
    least that's their gig anyway.




  6. #21
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > But if it's a business phone, then the business should select and pay for it
    > (unless you own your own business).


    The business doesn't select my phones. My company does pay, but only up
    to a point. I manage my wireless dollars myself. It's just an amount
    I'm allotted. (If I want to pay more, I do so out of my own pocket.)

    This is for business, pure and simple. I like the idea of freely giving
    out my cell phone number without worry, that's all. But maybe the
    rollover minutes provide an equal benefit. That's what I'm trying to
    decide.




  7. #22
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    [email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

    > So, back to the original poster, you need to consider how you expect your
    > phone
    > to be used. Free incoming is great for the "girls" in the Personals section
    > of
    > the news paper but for those of us who make and receive calls, it might not
    > balance out compared with a plan that allows free calls between customers of
    > the same cellular company.


    I don't expect many, if any, of my received calls to come from any kind
    of cellular system. Sure, a few of my colleagues will call me--but
    they're all over the map (like I said before, my company doesn't dictate
    what phone or supplier we use). And I'm in somewhat of a support
    position.




  8. #23
    Myself
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    Elmo, please dont tell me you listened to that. I am in no way saying Nextel
    has the greatist coverage on Earth but I am saying that it all depends on
    where you'll use it. I dont have to explain this, as that gets discussed at
    least 3 times a week on these newsgroups. Not to mention, this guy seems to
    be all hyped up on emotion. We all know emotion is a reliable source of
    solid wisdom... Oh, and if it matters my Nextel has better service than my
    friends' Cingulars where I go to college. Now, this is not true for any
    carrier everywhere or every carrier anywhere, but it ain't no Kia! Ask
    around, see what works best in your area, but please dont get caught up by
    one opinion.



    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Cingular GSM . . . Great handsets, reliable network, not much more to

    say
    > > but it just WORKS

    >
    > Well, that's good to know. That was an underlying question of mine. I
    > currently have the Cingular Nation plan from about 2 years ago, where
    > every call is a local call (just like the current Nation GAIT plan), and
    > was/am hesitant to move to GSM.
    >
    > But I figured, if I'm going to move to Cingular GSM, I might as well
    > look around at everyone else, then, including Nextel. I've had Nextel
    > before, and in general your assessment isn't too far off the mark--but
    > that was 3 years ago when I left them. I don't know how it is today.
    >
    >
    >
    > > If people try to call your nextel
    > > handset and you are in an area with a GOOD signal . . . they will either

    get
    > > a busy signal (while you are NOT USING THE HANDSET), or their calls will

    go
    > > straight to voicemail. (free WHAT?!?!? . . . there's no such thing as
    > > incoming calls on the nextel network!!!) -Dave

    >
    > Frankly, I get the same behavior on my Cingular phone today. Not very
    > often, but often enough to be very noticeable. My phone will be dead
    > silent and then all of the sudden alert me to a new voicemail. But the
    > phone never rang...
    >






  9. #24
    Dave C.
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?


    "> Frankly, I get the same behavior on my Cingular phone today. Not very
    > often, but often enough to be very noticeable. My phone will be dead
    > silent and then all of the sudden alert me to a new voicemail. But the
    > phone never rang...
    >


    That's strange. I haven't noticed that on Cingular, but then I'm on GSM
    nation. -Dave





  10. #25
    Bernard Farquart
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?


    "Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "> Frankly, I get the same behavior on my Cingular phone today. Not very
    > > often, but often enough to be very noticeable. My phone will be dead
    > > silent and then all of the sudden alert me to a new voicemail. But the
    > > phone never rang...
    > >

    >
    > That's strange. I haven't noticed that on Cingular, but then I'm on GSM
    > nation. -Dave
    >

    I have noticed the same thing, with three different phones
    over the course of three years. Pretty random, no rhyme
    or reason to it just sometimes it vibrates at me about
    a voicemail.
    I did have a problem with one certain ring
    that was assigned to my girlfriends number, I changed
    it and that solved the problem. Do you have custom
    rings set up? Is it one certain ring? Is it one number?

    I was on gsm nation, now extended local gsm home.


    >






  11. #26
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?


    >
    > Nextel . . . ****ty selection of ****ty handsets, impossible to find a
    > signal in most areas, nearly impossible to make calls where you DO find a
    > signal and forget about incoming calls. If people try to call your nextel
    > handset and you are in an area with a GOOD signal . . . they will either get
    > a busy signal (while you are NOT USING THE HANDSET), or their calls will go
    > straight to voicemail. (free WHAT?!?!? . . . there's no such thing as
    > incoming calls on the nextel network!!!) -Dave


    I find it ironic that I am about to defend Nextel as I have a love/hate
    relationship with them. I respect the fact that you may have had issues
    with Nextel in your area, but that does not transcend everywhere else. I
    was with Verizon for 16-17 years (Bell Atlantic/Bell Atlantic-Nynex) and
    then ATTWS for a year. In my experiences, Nextel's coverage is no worse
    or better than anywhere else. In other words every carrier has good and
    bad spots. I travel the US regularly and have mostly positive coverage
    with Nextel. Again, people who know me would be shocked to learn of my
    defending Nextel, but, the truth is the truth.




  12. #27
    Dave C.
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    >
    > I find it ironic that I am about to defend Nextel as I have a love/hate
    > relationship with them. I respect the fact that you may have had issues
    > with Nextel in your area, but that does not transcend everywhere else. I
    > was with Verizon for 16-17 years (Bell Atlantic/Bell Atlantic-Nynex) and
    > then ATTWS for a year. In my experiences, Nextel's coverage is no worse
    > or better than anywhere else. In other words every carrier has good and
    > bad spots. I travel the US regularly and have mostly positive coverage
    > with Nextel. Again, people who know me would be shocked to learn of my
    > defending Nextel, but, the truth is the truth.


    I've been forced (by employers) to carry Nextel handsets for years. I work
    all over the U.S., concentrating mainly in the area of (North of DC). To be
    fair, the nextel handset does seem to work a little better when I go
    somewhere that requires airline travel. If you're anywhere in the
    Northeastern U.S., though, Nextel sucks, to put it bluntly. I don't even
    carry the thing anymore. I leave it home where it has a really STRONG
    signal. I get complaints of busy signals all the time. I know the
    complaints are real, as I get busy signals myself just calling the thing to
    try to check my messages. (I use my cingular handset for business, but have
    to give out the number of the nextel handset, so i need to check the nextel
    messages periodically) I got so frickin' fed up of hearing the voicemail
    chime when the phone never rang, or seeing a strong signal showing just to
    have a fast "beep" sound trying to make phone calls, I finally gave up. Why
    waste a half an hour or more EVERY DAY wrestling with a cellular service
    that doesn't work? It's not the handset, either. Every handset I've
    carried (numerous) on the nextel network behaved the same way.

    (I guess we'll agree to disagree)

    Cingular does have problems now and then, but very infrequent. I am
    soooooooo happy with cingular service. I believe I owe my job to them.
    Yeah, it's a personal handset, but damn, it helps me GET **** DONE!!!
    -Dave






  13. #28

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    On Wed, 5 May 2004 19:21:29 -0400, "Dave C." <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >> I find it ironic that I am about to defend Nextel as I have a love/hate
    >> relationship with them. I respect the fact that you may have had issues
    >> with Nextel in your area, but that does not transcend everywhere else. I
    >> was with Verizon for 16-17 years (Bell Atlantic/Bell Atlantic-Nynex) and
    >> then ATTWS for a year. In my experiences, Nextel's coverage is no worse
    >> or better than anywhere else. In other words every carrier has good and
    >> bad spots. I travel the US regularly and have mostly positive coverage
    >> with Nextel. Again, people who know me would be shocked to learn of my
    >> defending Nextel, but, the truth is the truth.

    >
    >I've been forced (by employers) to carry Nextel handsets for years. I work
    >all over the U.S., concentrating mainly in the area of (North of DC). To be
    >fair, the nextel handset does seem to work a little better when I go
    >somewhere that requires airline travel. If you're anywhere in the
    >Northeastern U.S., though, Nextel sucks, to put it bluntly.

    [snip]

    Where in the "Northeastern U.S." are you talking about?

    I've found Nextel to be better than AT&TWS along I-95 in N.H. and
    Massachusetts. Have had no problems with Nextel in the Boston area; it's
    fine on Rte. 128. Also, while driving from SE N.H. to New York City and
    back -- 3 recent round trips and as part of one of them I went out to the
    Eastern tip of Long Island -- I have no problems with Nextel coverage.




  14. #29
    Scott
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?


    > I've been forced (by employers) to carry Nextel handsets for years. I work
    > all over the U.S., concentrating mainly in the area of (North of DC). To be
    > fair, the nextel handset does seem to work a little better when I go
    > somewhere that requires airline travel. If you're anywhere in the
    > Northeastern U.S., though, Nextel sucks, to put it bluntly. I don't even
    > carry the thing anymore. I leave it home where it has a really STRONG
    > signal. I get complaints of busy signals all the time. I know the
    > complaints are real, as I get busy signals myself just calling the thing to
    > try to check my messages. (I use my cingular handset for business, but have
    > to give out the number of the nextel handset, so i need to check the nextel
    > messages periodically) I got so frickin' fed up of hearing the voicemail
    > chime when the phone never rang, or seeing a strong signal showing just to
    > have a fast "beep" sound trying to make phone calls, I finally gave up. Why
    > waste a half an hour or more EVERY DAY wrestling with a cellular service
    > that doesn't work? It's not the handset, either. Every handset I've
    > carried (numerous) on the nextel network behaved the same way.
    >
    > (I guess we'll agree to disagree)
    >
    > Cingular does have problems now and then, but very infrequent. I am
    > soooooooo happy with cingular service. I believe I owe my job to them.
    > Yeah, it's a personal handset, but damn, it helps me GET **** DONE!!!
    > -Dave
    >
    >
    >


    I will not dispute your experiences because they are just that, your
    personal experiences. As for me, I left Verizon because they have awful
    coverage where I live so it did not make sense to continue with them. I
    was VERY happy with ATTWS (TDMA only experience) but the lure of free
    incoming calls via Nextel and the direct connect was too much to ignore
    for us. Again, this is a personal thing.

    As for Nextel's coverage, I would say this. *IF* I lived in NYC or
    traveled there more often on business, I would NOT choose Nextel. I have
    had plenty of coverage issues with Nextel there.



  15. #30
    Dave C.
    Guest

    Re: Cingular rollover vs. Nextel free incoming?

    > Where in the "Northeastern U.S." are you talking about?
    >
    > I've found Nextel to be better than AT&TWS along I-95 in N.H. and
    > Massachusetts. Have had no problems with Nextel in the Boston area; it's
    > fine on Rte. 128. Also, while driving from SE N.H. to New York City and
    > back -- 3 recent round trips and as part of one of them I went out to the
    > Eastern tip of Long Island -- I have no problems with Nextel coverage.


    Well your experience wouldn't disagree with my experiences. I also have
    noticed a slight improvement in coverage inside the 128 loop and along I-95.
    Unfortunately, I'm almost never working in that area, though I'm all over
    VT, NH, ME, MA, CT, RI, NY, DE, NJ and MD. Other states as well, but not as
    often. -Dave





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