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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> The group is unmoderated.

And as such no rules apply.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:04:18 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> The group is unmoderated.
>
>And as such no rules apply.

Not true. The group has a charter on file at ftp.isc.org that appears
to be valid. Since it is unmoderated, any complaints would have to be
made to the violators ISP and the ISP would need to enforce the rules.
Most good ISP's do, some don't.

In article <[email protected]>,
Jimmy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:04:18 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> The group is unmoderated.
> >
> >And as such no rules apply.
>
> Not true. The group has a charter on file at ftp.isc.org that appears
> to be valid. Since it is unmoderated, any complaints would have to be
> made to the violators ISP and the ISP would need to enforce the rules.
> Most good ISP's do, some don't.

Name one ISP that would do anything because someone posted about their
ebay sale?

Are you the one that thinks the BBB has teeth also?

(Jimmy) wrote:
> Since it is unmoderated, any complaints
> would have to be made to the violators ISP
> and the ISP would need to enforce the rules.
> Most good ISP's do, some don't.

Actually, most don't.

Eric

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:40:30 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Name one ISP that would do anything because someone posted about their
>ebay sale?

Any ISP with a news admin/abuse department that enforces charters.
Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting that enforcing news charters
is something that's done much these days... just that any admin that
does it would object to postings that violate the charter.

>Are you the one that thinks the BBB has teeth also?

Nope. The BBB doesn't do anything except collect information.
Did you have a bad experience with them ? Perhaps you should
report them to the BBB :-)

In article <[email protected]>,
Jimmy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:40:30 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Name one ISP that would do anything because someone posted about their
> >ebay sale?
>
> Any ISP with a news admin/abuse department that enforces charters.
> Don't get me wrong... I'm not suggesting that enforcing news charters
> is something that's done much these days... just that any admin that
> does it would object to postings that violate the charter.

Object maybe, throw away a paying customer, not likely.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:16:18 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Object maybe, throw away a paying customer, not likely.

Agreed. Nasty note at best. You have to be really offensive in
your spamming/OT posting to get kicked out - and then only if the
admin is a "old world" admin.

In article <[email protected]>,
Jimmy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:16:18 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Object maybe, throw away a paying customer, not likely.
>
> Agreed. Nasty note at best. You have to be really offensive in
> your spamming/OT posting to get kicked out - and then only if the
> admin is a "old world" admin.

A solitary post pointing to a ebay auction, listing a commercial site
selling an Out of Stock phone, a rant against poor Cingular service,
while perhaps against an anal-retentive charter, would never get action
from an ISP.

(R=F8bert=A0M.) wrote:
> A solitary post pointing to a ebay auction,
> listing a commercial site selling an Out of
> Stock phone, a rant against poor Cingular
> service, while perhaps against an
> anal-retentive charter, would never get action
> from an ISP.

Well, wait until Good ol' Cletis finds his way over here. Would his
posts be considered enough to warrant action from an ISP?

I guess its a fine line between free speech and purposely posting
hate/ignorance just for the sheer fun of getting a reaction from it.

Eric

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:45:13 GMT, "Røbert M." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>A solitary post pointing to a ebay auction, listing a commercial site
>selling an Out of Stock phone, a rant against poor Cingular service,
>while perhaps against an anal-retentive charter, would never get action
>from an ISP.

I don't remember limiting this issue to "a solitary post" but, that
accepted, your statement is essentially correct.