NEWS: AT&T goes live on 3G

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>

AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four US
cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco
and Seattle. ...

[MORE]

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
>
> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four US
> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco
> and Seattle. ...
>
> [MORE]

Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
this morning.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
>>
>> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four US
>> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco
>> and Seattle. ...
>>
>> [MORE]
>
>Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
>this morning.

Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.

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In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
> >>
> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four US
> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco
> >> and Seattle. ...
> >>
> >> [MORE]
> >
> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
> >this morning.
>
> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.

Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
40% Annual churn!

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
2004 17:22:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
>> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
>> >>
>> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four US
>> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San Francisco
>> >> and Seattle. ...
>> >>
>> >> [MORE]
>> >
>> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
>> >this morning.
>>
>> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
>
>Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
> 40% Annual churn!

Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
I think Cingular is prepared to lose those eager to jump.
Its future is GSM 850 + EDGE, not TDMA/AMPS, not GSM 1900,
and, for that matter, probably not 3G (for the foreseeable
future)i.e., this is just to comply with the DoCoMo deal.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 17:22:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
> >> Jul
> >> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
> >> >>
> >> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four
> >> >> US
> >> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San
> >> >> Francisco
> >> >> and Seattle. ...
> >> >>
> >> >> [MORE]
> >> >
> >> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
> >> >this morning.
> >>
> >> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
> >
> >Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
> > 40% Annual churn!
>
> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.

But the results STILL are abysmal.

At least Navas doesn't submit the fiction that churn is quarterly.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
2004 21:04:41 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
>> 2004 17:22:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
>> >> Jul
>> >> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in four
>> >> >> US
>> >> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San
>> >> >> Francisco
>> >> >> and Seattle. ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> [MORE]
>> >> >
>> >> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
>> >> >this morning.
>> >>
>> >> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
>> >
>> >Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
>> > 40% Annual churn!
>>
>> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
>
>But the results STILL are abysmal.

As I wrote, meaningless.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 21:04:41 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
> >> Jul
> >> 2004 17:22:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
> >> >> Jul
> >> >> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in
> >> >> >> four
> >> >> >> US
> >> >> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San
> >> >> >> Francisco
> >> >> >> and Seattle. ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> [MORE]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
> >> >> >this morning.
> >> >>
> >> >> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
> >> >
> >> >Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
> >> > 40% Annual churn!
> >>
> >> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
> >
> >But the results STILL are abysmal.
>
> As I wrote, meaningless.

You are entitled to your opinion, through your usual rose-colored
glasses.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
2004 22:51:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
>> 2004 21:04:41 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
>> >> Jul
>> >> 2004 17:22:27 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21
>> >> >> Jul
>> >> >> 2004 09:46:49 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> >> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/20/att_3g_launch/>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> AT&T Wireless is expected to announce its first 3G services in
>> >> >> >> four
>> >> >> >> US
>> >> >> >> cities. The service will be available in Detroit, Phoenix, San
>> >> >> >> Francisco
>> >> >> >> and Seattle. ...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> [MORE]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming out
>> >> >> >this morning.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
>> >> >
>> >> >Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
>> >> > 40% Annual churn!
>> >>
>> >> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
>> >
>> >But the results STILL are abysmal.
>>
>> As I wrote, meaningless.
>
>You are entitled to your opinion, through your usual rose-colored
>glasses.

It's *objectively* meaningless, since ATTWS is disappearing into Cingular.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

......
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Timed to distract attention from quarterly financial report coming
> >> >> >> >out
> >> >> >> >this morning.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Which is, of course, meaningless, given the merger in progress.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Perhaps but the reported results as expect were abysmal:
> >> >> > 40% Annual churn!
> >> >>
> >> >> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
> >> >
> >> >But the results STILL are abysmal.
> >>
> >> As I wrote, meaningless.
> >
> >You are entitled to your opinion, through your usual rose-colored
> >glasses.
>
> It's *objectively* meaningless, since ATTWS is disappearing into Cingular.



Thats not at all a certainty yet. Office Depot was sure it was
disappearing into Staples.


Sprint 5 years ago thought it was disappearing into Worldcom.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
2004 23:28:20 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's *objectively* meaningless, since ATTWS is disappearing into Cingular.
>
>Thats not at all a certainty yet. ...

True, but if not, ATTWS will just disappear into someone else, so it's
*objectively* meaningless.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 23:28:20 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> It's *objectively* meaningless, since ATTWS is disappearing into Cingular.
> >
> >Thats not at all a certainty yet. ...
>
> True, but if not, ATTWS will just disappear into someone else, so it's
> *objectively* meaningless.

Never heard of Chapter 7? Remember Montgomery Wards?

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
>
> Not only meaningless, but also not terribly surprising.
> I think Cingular is prepared to lose those eager to jump.
> Its future is GSM 850 + EDGE, not TDMA/AMPS, not GSM 1900,
> and, for that matter, probably not 3G (for the foreseeable
> future)i.e., this is just to comply with the DoCoMo deal.
>

Maybe, maybe not. Cingular's spinning UMTS, internally and externally. RFPs
to suppliers, 40 site trial in Atlanta, blips in the trade press etc. Their
CEO might say something like..."You ever see two dogs in the park? Sniffin'?
We're gonna do a little sniffin'."

The question is...Will that dog hunt? ;-)

"Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Thats not at all a certainty yet. Office Depot was sure it was
> disappearing into Staples.
>
>
> Sprint 5 years ago thought it was disappearing into Worldcom.

Do you really think it *won't* happen?

Or do you just like being contrary?

Bernard

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In <[email protected]> on Thu, 22 Jul
2004 00:52:43 GMT, "Robert M." <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

>> True, but if not, ATTWS will just disappear into someone else, so it's
>> *objectively* meaningless.
>
>Never heard of Chapter 7? Remember Montgomery Wards?

Not even close to a meaningful comparison. Cingular won ATTWS in a highly
competitive auction. If that falls through, the other players will almost
certainly step up to the plate. There is no danger of Chapter 7 in any event.

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