Total sociopath spotted-- John Navas. Run away! Run away!

In article <7HF%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Not true. It has meaning to anyone that wants the newsgroup to be effective
> and successful. Unfortunately, you fall outside that category. It also has
> meanings to news admins that run Usenet.

I love it! "News admins that run Usenet". As if the Usenet is
something that is managed.

Get over it, John. The world isn't what you want it to be, no matter
how badly you want it to be that way.

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In article <zMF%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> What contribution have you made other than noise and disruption?
> >
> >[SNIP noise and disruption]
>
> I didn't think so.

Ah. John has declared something to be noise and disruption, therefore
by definition it is noise and disruption! All hail John Navas!

I suppose that goes along with you and your charter, and turning people
in to their ISPs, etc, etc, blah blah blah blah

In article <ELF%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Come on, John. The charter is so special, and you have such special
> >powers, go ahead. Do it. Report me to whatever ISP you want. See what
> >you can do.
>
> You'll get your wish if you persist in disrupting the newsgroup. (Not a
> threat, just a polite warning.)

Who's disrupting the newsgroup?

Ah, I get it. I'm saying things YOU don't like, therefore I'm
disrupting things.

John, I'll take your polite warning and raise you a report. Go
ahead--report me. To whomever you like. I'm not disrupting anything
except the little world that you created, where you think you've
convinced the world that you are the all-knowing, all-important being
here. Where anything you say is by definition Truth and Beyond Dispute.
Where any discord or disagreement with your Sayings is by definition
"noise and disruption", and is grounds for trying to get people silenced.

You think this newsgroup is your ball, but you've come to realize that
it's not--and that you can't take it and go home.

This newsgroup will exist quite nicely without you and your
self-appointed holier-than-thou attitude.

So go ahead. If you think this post is somehow "disrupting," go ahead.
Do what you warned/threatened. I invite you.

(We know you'll profess some excuse not to do so--because when nothing
happens it'll then become obvious to everyone, most importantly
yourself, that you are an impotent little man desperately trying to hang
on to some sense of self-worth. Well, I have news for you: self-worth
comes from within. Chew on that. You think you need to be a blowhard
and show everyone how "important" and "knowledgeable" you are in order
to be of worth. That's a personal problem on your part.)

In article <ELF%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >You have no
> >"special power" ...
>
> Indeed, because I'm not a news admin. It's news admins that have the power.
> OTOH, I do have standing with those news admins, because I wrote the charter
> and created this group, and because I respect charters in general.

Oooooooooo, everyone beware of John! Holier than thou John! He doesn't
run the Internet; no, he's better. He's the power BEHIND the power,
like the president's chief of staff.

Yes sir, everyone jump to John's music! All hail John Navas! Knower of
all! The power behind the throne!

John's an ass, but he refuses to look in a mirror to see that.

Now he's going to find out just how impotent he is.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
11:48:33 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <7HF%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >A charter on a Usenet newsgroup has no special meaning whatsoever....
>>
>> Not true. It has meaning to anyone that wants the newsgroup to be effective
>> and successful.
>
>Except you, of course.

You of course have that backwards.

Still waiting for a positive contribution from you...

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
11:49:20 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <7HF%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not true. It has meaning to anyone that wants the newsgroup to be effective
>> and successful. Unfortunately, you fall outside that category. It also has
>> meanings to news admins that run Usenet.
>
>I love it! "News admins that run Usenet". As if the Usenet is
>something that is managed.

It is, as anyone knows that understands how Usenet works.

p.s. Still waiting for a positive contribution from you...

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
15:31:26 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <ELF%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >Come on, John. The charter is so special, and you have such special
>> >powers, go ahead. Do it. Report me to whatever ISP you want. See what
>> >you can do.
>>
>> You'll get your wish if you persist in disrupting the newsgroup. (Not a
>> threat, just a polite warning.)
>
>Who's disrupting the newsgroup?

You're one of the primary disrupters, if not the primary disrupter.

>Ah, I get it. I'm saying things YOU don't like, therefore I'm
>disrupting things.

You're disrupting things because you're violating the newsgroup charter.
If you don't like the charter, go someplace else or even start your own
newsgroup (e.g., alt.cellular.elmo.p.shagnasty).

>John, I'll take your polite warning and raise you a report. Go
>ahead--report me. To whomever you like.

Keep this up and you'll get your wish.

>I'm not disrupting anything
>except the little world that you created,

i.e., this newsgroup.

>where you think you've
>convinced the world that you are the all-knowing, all-important being
>here.

No -- I just wrote the charter and created the newsgroup. Since you don't
like my charter, why not roll your own? Or are you only into disruption?

>Where anything you say is by definition Truth and Beyond Dispute.

The charter is by definition Truth and Beyond Dispute.

>Where any discord or disagreement with your Sayings is by definition
>"noise and disruption", and is grounds for trying to get people silenced.

Violations of the charter are "noise and disruption", particularly when gross
and frequent.

>You think this newsgroup is your ball, but you've come to realize that
>it's not--and that you can't take it and go home.

It's a "ball" created by me for the benefit of everyone, not the disruptions
of a few like you.

>This newsgroup will exist quite nicely without you and your
>self-appointed holier-than-thou attitude.

The problem here is you.

>So go ahead. If you think this post is somehow "disrupting," go ahead.
>Do what you warned/threatened. I invite you.

Do you have any idea how childish that is? How old are you, 12?

>[SNIP remaining nastiness]

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
15:33:18 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <ELF%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >You have no
>> >"special power" ...
>>
>> Indeed, because I'm not a news admin. It's news admins that have the power.
>> OTOH, I do have standing with those news admins, because I wrote the charter
>> and created this group, and because I respect charters in general.
>
>Oooooooooo, everyone beware of John! Holier than thou John!

Hardly.

>He doesn't
>run the Internet;

Nope.

>no, he's better. He's the power BEHIND the power,
>like the president's chief of staff.

Not that either.

>Yes sir, everyone jump to John's music! All hail John Navas! Knower of
>all! The power behind the throne!
>
>John's an ass, but he refuses to look in a mirror to see that.
>
>Now he's going to find out just how impotent he is.

Do you have any idea how childish that is? How old are you, 10?

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
15:25:29 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <zMF%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> What contribution have you made other than noise and disruption?
>> >
>> >[SNIP noise and disruption]
>>
>> I didn't think so.
>
>[SNIP noise and disruption]

None there either.
Just more childish attention-seeking.
Why am I not surprised.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <24K%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> You're disrupting things because you're violating the newsgroup charter.

Let's translate that from Navas-speak into English:

"You're disrupting things because I say so. I'm John Navas, and I wrote
the newsgroup charter, which is the definition of How Things Will Be."

Enjoy your little fantasy, John.


> If you don't like the charter,

It's not a matter of whether I like or dislike the charter. The charter
is meaningless. It's you that's the issue.



> >John, I'll take your polite warning and raise you a report. Go
> >ahead--report me. To whomever you like.
>
> Keep this up and you'll get your wish.

Mmm-hmm.




> >I'm not disrupting anything
> >except the little world that you created,
>
> i.e., this newsgroup.

So you admit that this is your little world, the world you live in?



> >where you think you've
> >convinced the world that you are the all-knowing, all-important being
> >here.
>
> No -- I just wrote the charter and created the newsgroup. Since you don't
> like my charter, why not roll your own? Or are you only into disruption?

What you're trying to say is that you think this newsgroup belongs to
you.

Why don't you go to your buddies, these mythical news admins who "run"
things, and tell them that. Then be sure you add that to your complaint
when you go running to an ISP.

This newsgroup doesn't belong to you any more than it "belongs" to
anyone else. Get that through your thick head.




> >Where any discord or disagreement with your Sayings is by definition
> >"noise and disruption", and is grounds for trying to get people silenced.
>
> Violations of the charter are "noise and disruption", particularly when gross
> and frequent.

"Violations of the charter" are apparently "things John Navas doesn't
want to hear". Isn't that right, Mr. Charter Author?



> >You think this newsgroup is your ball, but you've come to realize that
> >it's not--and that you can't take it and go home.
>
> It's a "ball" created by me for the benefit of everyone, not the disruptions
> of a few like you.

I'm not disrupting anything. I'm exposing you to the world for what you
are--and you don't like it. But since you "wrote the charter," my
exposing you is by definition somehow wrong for discussion in this
public group. Correct? Is that how you think?

Be sure you put that into words when you go write a complaint.



> >This newsgroup will exist quite nicely without you and your
> >self-appointed holier-than-thou attitude.
>
> The problem here is you.

no, YOUR problem here is me. No one else has a problem with what I say.

And since the world doesn't revolve around YOU, you're quite mistaken in
your thinking that your problems are everyone's problems.




> >So go ahead. If you think this post is somehow "disrupting," go ahead.
> >Do what you warned/threatened. I invite you.
>
> Do you have any idea how childish that is? How old are you, 12?

And here you go, running away--just like I said.

In article <g6K%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just more childish attention-seeking.

We know, John. We know. That's what you live for--to post childish
attention-seeking responses to EVERYTHING that's ever posted.

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
16:51:42 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <24K%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You're disrupting things because you're violating the newsgroup charter.
>
>Let's translate that from Navas-speak into English:

You're disrupting things by violating the newsgroup charter.

>> If you don't like the charter,
>
>It's not a matter of whether I like or dislike the charter. The charter
>is meaningless.

The charter governs this newsgroup.

>It's you that's the issue.

It's you that's the issue.

>> >I'm not disrupting anything
>> >except the little world that you created,
>>
>> i.e., this newsgroup.
>
>So you admit that this is your little world, the world you live in?

I admit I wrote the charter and created the newsgroup. And you?

>> No -- I just wrote the charter and created the newsgroup. Since you don't
>> like my charter, why not roll your own? Or are you only into disruption?
>
>What you're trying to say is that you think this newsgroup belongs to
>you.

Nope.

(You'll waste less time sticking to what I actually say, rather than
fantasizing.)

>This newsgroup doesn't belong to you any more than it "belongs" to
>anyone else. ...

True.

>> Violations of the charter are "noise and disruption", particularly when gross
>> and frequent.
>
>"Violations of the charter" are apparently "things John Navas doesn't
>want to hear". Isn't that right, Mr. Charter Author?

Violations of the charter are simply those things that violate the charter.

>> It's a "ball" created by me for the benefit of everyone, not the disruptions
>> of a few like you.
>
>I'm not disrupting anything.

I'm sure you know you are, and I think that's clearly your intent, a way of
getting attention.

>I'm exposing you to the world for what you
>are

You're actually just acting like a childish jerk (no offense intended).

>and you don't like it.

I'd be totally indifferent if you weren't violating the charter.

>But since you "wrote the charter," my
>exposing you is by definition somehow wrong for discussion in this
>public group. Correct? Is that how you think?

Nope. The charter states (in part):

Inappropriate (banned) articles:
* Off-topic (not directly related to Cingular Wireless service)
* Personal insults or repetitive flaming (attacks)

>> The problem here is you.
>
>no, YOUR problem here is me.

No, the problem here is you.

>No one else has a problem with what I say.

Not true, and you know it.

>> Do you have any idea how childish that is? How old are you, 12?
>
>And here you go, running away--just like I said.

10?

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 08 Sep 2004
16:52:21 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <g6K%[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just more childish attention-seeking.
>
>We know, John. We know. ...

At least we agree on something.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <LCL%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> The charter governs this newsgroup.

That you honestly believe that tells us just how delusional you are.

In article <LCL%[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >This newsgroup doesn't belong to you any more than it "belongs" to
> >anyone else. ...
>
> True.

Hey, we agree on something.

Now if only you'd act like you believe that.