I loath Cingular

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:18:31
-0400, 1234 <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>I mean, I don't hang around the Dell
>>>groups answering every post in the company's favor.
>
>>I don't either.
>
>Lame comment, as you should of known that statement(s)
>was to compare such actions with YOUR Cingular fetish.

I have no fetish for (or against) any company.

>>>I N-E-V-E-R called anyone a shill.
>
>>"A rose by any other name..."
>
>no, you are wrong. ...

No, I am not.

>>>He answered, I said 'ok'.
>
>>[You've] actually upped the rhetoric.
>
>No, in fact I had to re-group because, according to you,
>you do not work for them. Maybe then, I saw your Cingular
>'fetish'. Why must you be so defensive? Relax. Ommmmmmm....

"There you go again" with the rhetoric.

>>>Same thing.
>
>>No -- big difference.
>
>To a layman, it means a boost of signal in that area, by machine,
>magic, my cat, your dog, the mailman's 2nd cousin, twice removed,
>whatever. It means, that Cingular would place a device to produce
>a fraudulent good signal to hook people into signing a long term
>contract while just outside the door of the Corp Cingular store,
>you cannot use the product. ...

More silly rhetoric.

>GAWDESS, you are lame..

You're projecting.

>>>BTW, you never answered the ??? waffle-ing ?
>
>>I guess I must have missed it.
>
>Then please pay attention and/or re-read the posts,
>or don't pretend to know enough about it to comment.

Sorry, but I can't be bothered to chase down vague references and accusations.

>>>WHAT good reason could it be.
>
>>To have good service in the store in order to be able to demonstrate phones.
>
>BUT..and I am there, you are not, about when they EXIT the store,
>and the signal turns to SUCK? ...

Depends how good it is where you want to use the phone. I personally don't
spend time in front of Cingular stores, so that doesn't concern me, since
Cingular service is good in places where I want it.

>>>And now tell me that's a correct practice and legal in my state..
>
>>It is.
>
>Excuse me, according to MY lawyer it is not.

I have different legal advice (assuming you actually have any.

>>>I'm sorry to of called you a shill. You are not THAT good..
>
>>As I said. Thanks for making that clear.
>
>Glad we both agree

That you called me a shill, among other nasty comments.

>>Grow up.
>
>Does that make you happy? ...

No, just weary.

>... Hey, I'll be gone soon, ...

Thanks. Careful the door doesn't smack you on the tush on the way out.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:46:21
-0400, 1234 <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>Sorry, unless you have been there, you have no idea..it IS that way..
>
>>No it's not.
>
>Excuse me, were you on the line when it happened..?

Again, my response was about your style, as reflected in how you write.

>>Sorry, but that's no excuse, not to mention counterproductive.
>
>Sorry, but the other side has no desire to help me, so
>why should I, the paying customer, kiss ass with no results?

Because it's counterproductive (and pointless).

>Besides, why is being lied to, hung up on, etc OK in the 1st place ?

I never said or even suggested that.

>>Irrelevant. Stores aren't cells.
>
>wow, over your head completely. Do you even think when you read?
>
>My point is, both times I could not get a signal within 800 ft of
>the area they have NOW set up a store. Man, think b4 you speak.

Again, irrelevant. Stores aren't cells.

>>And I stand by what I say, that being nice is [always] far more effective than
>>being not nice.
>
>How long to you beat your head against the wall b4 you realize it's no
>use, and it will hurt so much less when you stop ?

Not long at all. When it makes sense, I cut my losses and move on.

>>>Well, then why do you even care..
>
>>I don't.
>
>Then why do you answer every flocking post here and only take
>the company side, AND act like a complete ass over it ?

I don't, on all three counts.

>>>how can you comment on it,
>
>>Out of interest.
>
>WHY?

Why does that concern you?

>Oh yes, a fetish..

Oh yes, an insult.

>not by much. Hands up everyone who thinks I'm projecting?
>
><chuckle>

How childish.

>>>I mean, it's not like I'm doing all this because my ring tones
>>>are too loud, or even a billing matter..MY service suddenly
>>>turned to ****, long after I can by law do anything about it,
>
>>You can always by law do something about it.
>
>oh, well maybe Cingular should be more honest with their product ?

I've seen no evidence of dishonesty. All carriers have coverage holes.

>..and again, you ignore the ? at hand, sunshine.

Because I see no real question.

>>>WHY is it not my business if it is c/k-efytg and public record..?
>
>>So go find out.
>
>Here, boyz n girls, the guy shows again he cannot answer the ? at hand..

I've actually answered it several times -- you just don't seem to like my
answer.

>Care to ID your lawyer's address b4 you libel me such again..

Knock yourself out.

>>That makes it pretty clear why you were treated badly.
>
>Again, you were no there (unless in your dreams) so you
>have no idea what went on, so making a statement like
>that shows you to be (a) a complete a total moron (b)
>10 years old (c)In need of big time help yourself..

It actually shows me to be appalled by your personal style.

>>Whatever you say. You're the one ranting about being screwed, not me.
>>Just a thought.
>
>No, just to fuel your fetish. ...

More insults.

>>I didn't think so.
>
>That doesn't even come close to answering the ? at hand..

I didn't see a meaningful question, whereas I did see that you didn't answer
my question.

I'm done. Have the last word and/or rant on if you must.

Have a nice day.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <HHu0d.70136$3l3.36313@attbi_s03> on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:56:23 GMT,
"Turbocane" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Look at what I found on the Cingular site.
>http://www.cingular.com/customer_ser...cc_disclosures It sounds to me
>like John is wrong. We did not have to be detectives! Cingular should have
>notified us!
>FCC Required disclosures
>SBC WIRELESS AGENCY AGREEMENT

Read "WITNESSETH" carefully and you will see that this particular document
pertains only to the sale of Cingular wireless service by SBC (not Cingular)
to SBC customers.

>6.5 Technological Changes. If technological changes change the size of
>NewCo's coverage area for a type of Wireless Service or impose restrictions
>on the use of applicable Equipment, NewCo will provide Agent with written
>notification of such changes and Agent will inform Subscribers activated by
>Agent after receipt of such notice from NewCo of such changes or
>restrictions. Failure by Agent to use good faith efforts to inform
>Subscribers activated by Agent after receipt by Agent of such notice from
>NewCo of such changes will be considered a material breach of this
>Agreement.

That pertains to notification by SBC (Agent), not Cingular.

>I think I am off to file a complaint with the FCC.

Did you buy service from SBC (not Cingular itself)? Regardless, you
apparently have more time to waste than I do. The FCC doesn't enforce
individual complaints. Your time would be better spent dealing with your
problem. My suggestions would be a good place to start.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <qLt0d.170388$mD.41913@attbi_s02> on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:52:06 GMT,
"Turbocane" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> Just venting, I see. At least now I understand and won't waste any more time
>> trying to help you.
>
>This is your help. Cingular - correct. Customer wrong.

The facts are the facts. My help was specific suggestions on how to deal with
your problem.

>Cingular should be able to pull any kind of trick or bait and switch and
>caveat emptor.

That wasn't the case with you, as you've effectively admitted.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <zRt0d.69890$3l3.18071@attbi_s03> on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 02:58:43 GMT,
"Turbocane" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> ... Unless you're had some serious real experience in
>> actual CS (as I have), you simply don't know what you're talking about.
>
>Well, John I have worked with the public in different positions and have
>been on several public committees. I have never been rude or lost my
>temper and I have met a lot of lose cannons.

Likewise. CS is quite different.

>When on has a job to do one
>must do that job. Personality should not enter into it. That is being too
>personally involved in a job.

In general, yes, but the converse is likewise true -- there's no excuse for
being unpleasant to CS reps, yet that's what they have to deal with, day in
and day out.

>You may know telecommunications but you are not people wise and I imagine
>you would have a difficult time holding your temper.

You would be wrong, which isn't terribly surprising, since you've never
actually met me.

>And with your
>condescending attitude you probably irritate people and have been yelled
>at. I don't doubt it. I don't think you have the personality for it.

Just because I'm not sympathetic to your self-inflicted plight. I think that
speaks for itself.

Whatever. I'm done. Feel free to have the last word and/or rant on without
me.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:24:55 -0600,
"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> If so, then you should know what I'm talking about.
>
>Actually, I disagree with you depiction altogether. ...

Fair enough -- we'll just have to agree to disagree.

>> So do I, and I have. My turnover rates were among the lowest in the area, but
>> still prohibitively expensive.
>
>And how much of that turnover was do the the lack of quality in training?

None.

>> No, it's a matter of professional expertise.
>
>No, it is anecdotal- ...

We'll just to agree to disagree.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

>>Lame comment, as you should of known that statement(s)
>>was to compare such actions with YOUR Cingular fetish.
>
>I have no fetish for (or against) any company.

Denial is the 1st sign...


>>No, in fact I had to re-group because, according to you,
>>you do not work for them. Maybe then, I saw your Cingular
>>'fetish'. Why must you be so defensive? Relax. Ommmmmmm....
>
>"There you go again" with the rhetoric.

There you go again, ignoring the ?

>>To a layman, it means a boost of signal in that area, by machine,
>>magic, my cat, your dog, the mailman's 2nd cousin, twice removed,
>>whatever. It means, that Cingular would place a device to produce
>>a fraudulent good signal to hook people into signing a long term
>>contract while just outside the door of the Corp Cingular store,
>>you cannot use the product. ...

>More silly rhetoric.

There you go again, ignoring the ? at hand...

>>Then please pay attention and/or re-read the posts,
>>or don't pretend to know enough about it to comment.

>Sorry, but I can't be bothered to chase down vague references and accusations.

Then why are you so involved? I don't care what you do, YOU
just get bent out of shape when ever anyone says anything
against Cingular. NOW you say U can't be bothered? WHO CARES..?

>>BUT..and I am there, you are not, about when they EXIT the store,
>>and the signal turns to SUCK? ...
>
>Depends how good it is where you want to use the phone. I personally don't
>spend time in front of Cingular stores, so that doesn't concern me, since
>Cingular service is good in places where I want it.

Which shows you missed the whole point of postings..

>>>>And now tell me that's a correct practice and legal in my state..
>>
>>>It is.
>>
>>Excuse me, according to MY lawyer it is not.
>
>I have different legal advice (assuming you actually have any.

Is he in my state? Weither you care if I have legal services is moot..

>>>>I'm sorry to of called you a shill. You are not THAT good..
>>
>>>As I said. Thanks for making that clear.
>>
>>Glad we both agree
>
>That you called me a shill, among other nasty comments.

No, I never called you one. I said you posted shill-like,
and no matter how you dream it was said, I didn't call you one.

>>... Hey, I'll be gone soon, ...
>
>Thanks. Careful the door doesn't smack you on the tush on the way out.

But you will still be here, not being bothered, posting your
way into everybody's affairs, and licking Cingular ass.

It DOES suck to be you...

JJT





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Don't go away MAD, here's a SASE for you to fill out telling
me how tasty my dust is, and an order blank for re-fills....

...ok....NOW you can go......
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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5%[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <HHu0d.70136$3l3.36313@attbi_s03> on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 03:56:23 GMT,
> "Turbocane" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Look at what I found on the Cingular site.
> >http://www.cingular.com/customer_ser...cc_disclosures It sounds to
me
> >like John is wrong. We did not have to be detectives! Cingular should
have
> >notified us!
> >FCC Required disclosures
> >SBC WIRELESS AGENCY AGREEMENT
>
> Read "WITNESSETH" carefully and you will see that this particular document
> pertains only to the sale of Cingular wireless service by SBC (not
Cingular)
> to SBC customers.
>
> >6.5 Technological Changes. If technological changes change the size of
> >NewCo's coverage area for a type of Wireless Service or impose
restrictions
> >on the use of applicable Equipment, NewCo will provide Agent with written
> >notification of such changes and Agent will inform Subscribers activated
by
> >Agent after receipt of such notice from NewCo of such changes or
> >restrictions. Failure by Agent to use good faith efforts to inform
> >Subscribers activated by Agent after receipt by Agent of such notice from
> >NewCo of such changes will be considered a material breach of this
> >Agreement.
>
> That pertains to notification by SBC (Agent), not Cingular.
>
> >I think I am off to file a complaint with the FCC.
>
> Did you buy service from SBC (not Cingular itself)? Regardless, you
> apparently have more time to waste than I do. The FCC doesn't enforce
> individual complaints. Your time would be better spent dealing with your
> problem. My suggestions would be a good place to start.

Yup from SBC. Hmm but one can still make a complaint.

T
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

"1234" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> >You might want to wait a while before changing. They will put in a
> >repeater
>>close to the new store, you can bet on that. They will have plenty of
>>signal
>>at the new store and since it's in your neighbor hood it might solve your
>>problem as well.
>
>>bamp
>
> Well, I'm on the hook for 2 years last Nov, so I'm
> early, but it's just that MY problems ment nothing
> to them, but their greed did. ALL they told me is
> that I should of canceled under the 15 days, but it
> was great from Nov last year till Feb this yr.
>
> Then, it's like someone turned up the SUCK control..
>
> When I tried to explain it, all they said was the same
> (read off some card, I'm sure) 15day crap. AGAIN,
> I said it was fine then. They say there is nothing
> they can do. I support people with my money, and
> will not re-new with Cingular, even if they solve
> world hunger, AIDS, and my cell phone problems..
>
> JJT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Don't go away MAD, here's a SASE for you to fill out telling
> me how tasty my dust is, and an order blank for re-fills....
>
> ..ok....NOW you can go......
> -------------------------------------------------------------