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  1. #1
    Michael Jay Friedman
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    Hi,

    Our Verizon contract expires early next month. Because of the many dead
    zones in the Fairfax VA area, including our prime shopping area, we are
    going to switch over to either Cingular or AT&T. The details of the AT&T
    plan fit our needs a little bit better than Cingular, but Cingular will give
    us our preferred phones for free, on a federal employee discount. Consider
    it about a wash.

    My question is whether one offers better coverage now, whether Cingular &
    AT&T are sharing towers in the DC/northern VA area already or when they
    might begin to do so, and whether it might be advantageous to go with
    Cingular as the "surviving" company, in case the merging of the two networks
    (assuming the merger/buy-out does take place) causes temporary difficulties
    for AT&T customers.

    Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?

    Thanks!
    Michael





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  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <fbk9d.10750$r3.3242@trnddc05> on Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:20:43 GMT, "Michael
    Jay Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Our Verizon contract expires early next month. Because of the many dead
    >zones in the Fairfax VA area, including our prime shopping area, we are
    >going to switch over to either Cingular or AT&T. The details of the AT&T
    >plan fit our needs a little bit better than Cingular, but Cingular will give
    >us our preferred phones for free, on a federal employee discount. Consider
    >it about a wash.
    >
    >My question is whether one offers better coverage now,


    Hard to say -- it varies.

    >whether Cingular &
    >AT&T are sharing towers in the DC/northern VA area already


    They aren't.

    >or when they
    >might begin to do so,


    Probably not until after the merger is completed.

    >and whether it might be advantageous to go with
    >Cingular as the "surviving" company, in case the merging of the two networks
    >(assuming the merger/buy-out does take place) causes temporary difficulties
    >for AT&T customers.


    Probably not.

    >Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    >month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?


    No.

    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>



  3. #3
    steve
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    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    Actually, if you choose ATT you will get the benefit of free roaming on
    cingular, but not vice-versa.

    John Navas, did you not know that?

    steve


    In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <fbk9d.10750$r3.3242@trnddc05> on Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:20:43 GMT, "Michael
    > Jay Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Our Verizon contract expires early next month. Because of the many dead
    > >zones in the Fairfax VA area, including our prime shopping area, we are
    > >going to switch over to either Cingular or AT&T. The details of the AT&T
    > >plan fit our needs a little bit better than Cingular, but Cingular will give
    > >us our preferred phones for free, on a federal employee discount. Consider
    > >it about a wash.
    > >
    > >My question is whether one offers better coverage now,

    >
    > Hard to say -- it varies.
    >
    > >whether Cingular &
    > >AT&T are sharing towers in the DC/northern VA area already

    >
    > They aren't.
    >
    > >or when they
    > >might begin to do so,

    >
    > Probably not until after the merger is completed.
    >
    > >and whether it might be advantageous to go with
    > >Cingular as the "surviving" company, in case the merging of the two networks
    > >(assuming the merger/buy-out does take place) causes temporary difficulties
    > >for AT&T customers.

    >
    > Probably not.
    >
    > >Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    > >month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?

    >
    > No.




  4. #4
    Steve Grauman
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    >Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    >>month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?


    This is something worth researching. If you were to remain an AT&T customer,
    they'd have to continue letting you operate under the terms of the last
    contract signed until you either signed a new contract or dropped the service.
    I'm not positive that the rules apply in the same way when there's a
    buyout/merger involved, but I don't see why they wouldn't. It wouldn't really
    be fair to AT&T's existing customers for Cingular to force them into new plans.
    And I'm not sure they want to risk losing a huge number of clients by doing so.
    Steve Grauman



  5. #5
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    I've actually said that several times. But they don't share the same towers.

    In <071020041838003987%[email protected]> on Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:38:41 GMT,
    steve <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Actually, if you choose ATT you will get the benefit of free roaming on
    >cingular, but not vice-versa.
    >
    >John Navas, did you not know that?


    >In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> In <fbk9d.10750$r3.3242@trnddc05> on Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:20:43 GMT, "Michael
    >> Jay Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Our Verizon contract expires early next month. Because of the many dead
    >> >zones in the Fairfax VA area, including our prime shopping area, we are
    >> >going to switch over to either Cingular or AT&T. The details of the AT&T
    >> >plan fit our needs a little bit better than Cingular, but Cingular will give
    >> >us our preferred phones for free, on a federal employee discount. Consider
    >> >it about a wash.
    >> >
    >> >My question is whether one offers better coverage now,

    >>
    >> Hard to say -- it varies.
    >>
    >> >whether Cingular &
    >> >AT&T are sharing towers in the DC/northern VA area already

    >>
    >> They aren't.
    >>
    >> >or when they
    >> >might begin to do so,

    >>
    >> Probably not until after the merger is completed.
    >>
    >> >and whether it might be advantageous to go with
    >> >Cingular as the "surviving" company, in case the merging of the two networks
    >> >(assuming the merger/buy-out does take place) causes temporary difficulties
    >> >for AT&T customers.

    >>
    >> Probably not.
    >>
    >> >Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    >> >month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?

    >>
    >> No.


    --
    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>



  6. #6
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 07 Oct 2004 23:44:01 GMT,
    [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:

    >>Also, if we go with AT&T, would Cingular be obliged to let us go
    >>>month-to-month on the same terms once the contract expires?

    >
    >This is something worth researching. If you were to remain an AT&T customer,
    >they'd have to continue letting you operate under the terms of the last
    >contract signed until you either signed a new contract or dropped the service.


    Once the old contract expires, Cingular could require that you sign a new
    contract

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  7. #7
    Steve Grauman
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    >Once the old contract expires, Cingular could require that you sign a new
    >contract


    How? I thought the laws protected consumers from this kind of treatment.
    Steve Grauman



  8. #8
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 08 Oct 2004 02:37:13 GMT,
    [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:

    >>Once the old contract expires, Cingular could require that you sign a new
    >>contract

    >
    >How? I thought the laws protected consumers from this kind of treatment.


    By otherwise refusing to provide service. No law requires a carrier to
    provide month-to-month service, or even service at all.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  9. #9
    Steve Grauman
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    >By otherwise refusing to provide service. No law requires a carrier to
    >provide month-to-month service, or even service at all.


    But there ARE laws that say my cellular provider has to allow me to continue to
    get service under a previous contract even if the contract term has expired.
    I.E. if you signed up with T-Mobile and your contract expires tomorrow, they're
    required to allow you to continue to get service under that contract, expired
    or not. I don't understand how Cingular can buy out AT&T and then refuse the
    previous AT&T customers access to something they were granted by law.
    Steve Grauman



  10. #10
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 08 Oct 2004 05:06:34 GMT,
    [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:

    >>By otherwise refusing to provide service. No law requires a carrier to
    >>provide month-to-month service, or even service at all.

    >
    >But there ARE laws that say my cellular provider has to allow me to continue to
    >get service under a previous contract even if the contract term has expired.
    >I.E. if you signed up with T-Mobile and your contract expires tomorrow, they're
    >required to allow you to continue to get service under that contract, expired
    >or not.


    What laws?

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  11. #11
    Steve Grauman
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    >What laws?

    I couldn't quote exactly where they are on the books, but there are Federal
    Laws to that effect. Consult a lawyer.
    Steve Grauman



  12. #12
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on 08 Oct 2004 07:19:11 GMT,
    [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:

    >>What laws?

    >
    >I couldn't quote exactly where they are on the books, but there are Federal
    >Laws to that effect.


    Sorry, but I can't take that seriously.

    >Consult a lawyer.


    I suggest you take your own advice.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  13. #13
    Bernard Farquart
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on 08 Oct 2004 07:19:11
    > GMT,
    > [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:
    >
    >>>What laws?

    >>
    >>I couldn't quote exactly where they are on the books, but there are
    >>Federal
    >>Laws to that effect.

    >
    > Sorry, but I can't take that seriously.


    I believe he is referring to the "thereoughtabea" law
    this law requires everyone to adhere to the "seems right"
    rule of behaviour.






  14. #14
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <jAx9d.3$ua2.1@trnddc09> on Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:34:55 GMT, "Bernard
    Farquart" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on 08 Oct 2004 07:19:11
    >> GMT,
    >> [email protected] (Steve Grauman) wrote:
    >>
    >>>>What laws?
    >>>
    >>>I couldn't quote exactly where they are on the books, but there are
    >>>Federal
    >>>Laws to that effect.

    >>
    >> Sorry, but I can't take that seriously.

    >
    >I believe he is referring to the "thereoughtabea" law
    >this law requires everyone to adhere to the "seems right"
    >rule of behaviour.


    LOL
    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  15. #15
    Steve Grauman
    Guest

    Re: No. VA suburbs: Cingular or ATTWS?

    >I suggest you take your own advice.

    Why? Obviously my understanding of the law isn't complete or Cingular wouldn't
    be getting away with forcing ATTWS customers to resign when their contracts are
    up. All I know is that there are Federal Laws which protect customers when
    buying cellular service. If you don't want to believe me, OK. I'm happy getting
    discounted phones and good service, and I couldn't care less if it's under AT&T
    or Cingular.
    Steve Grauman



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