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- 11-09-2004, 08:49 AM #16dr.wireMOREGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
Glad Cingular messages don't get lost: but on
(http://www.cingular.com/sendamessage), the "nicest" disclaimer(below):
that variable(s) could affect delivery. Which begs that I repeat: if it is
important, talk TO the person. And to confirmation: delivery does not mean
it got read. If you've never lost a message, that is pretty terrific. Me,
I call if it's that important. dr
"Please be aware that there are certain variables that could affect the
delivery of your message, including whether the mobile number has our Text
Messaging (text messaging) service, restrictions on the mobile number that
would prevent it from receiving text messages, and interruptions in the
Internet or in the Cingular Wireless Network."
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Much depends on the carrier, of course. With Cingular GSM, I've never
> seen a
> message delayed except when traversing a gateway to another carrier, and
> even
> that has been rare. When delivery of a message is important, I turn on
> the
> delivery confirmation flag and/or ask the recipient to confirm delivery.
> In
> general I find SMS delivery to be more reliable and immediate than
> voicemail.
>
> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 09 Nov 2004
> 13:56:27 GMT, "dr.wireMORE" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I (we) have experienced in our local area that text messages as well as
>>voice messages have sometimes been delayed for up to 4-7 days. Part of
>>this
>>was an upgrade, but it has also been happening off/on for about 3 months,
>>and if you depend on this delivery as "real time" or absolute, then you
>>may
>>be in for a surprise (disappointment).
>>
>>But, given truth in advertising: the fine print says that the carrier (any
>>carrier) is not responsible for lost or delayed messages. They do not
>>gaurantee delivery. So if it is really important, you should "speak" to
>>the
>>person who needs that information. dr.
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- 11-09-2004, 08:58 AM #17dr.wireMOREGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
I just went further to the Cingular site, and I was impressed with there
honesty. It was also refreshing to see that if you didn't like there web
site, then go elsewhere. That was pretty kool. This is not to single out
Cingular, as their disclosure about no gaurantees is pretty standard in the
industry. This is broader than just text/voice messages, but the jest is
the same: I'm serious, this is a great disclaimer. AKA: Use technology at
your own risk. If your mail goes thru, great; if not, we told you so. dr
YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT CINGULAR SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY
DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, EXEMPLARY OR OTHER
DAMAGES <snip> MESSAGES RECEIVED OR TRANSACTIONS ENTERED INTO THROUGH OR
FROM OUR SITE<snip> IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF OUR SITE, OR
WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO
DISCONTINUE USING OUR SITE.
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip previous post, my post>
Much depends on the carrier, of course. With Cingular GSM, I've never seen
a
> message delayed except when traversing a gateway to another carrier, and
> even
> that has been rare. When delivery of a message is important, I turn on
> the
> delivery confirmation flag and/or ask the recipient to confirm delivery.
> In
> general I find SMS delivery to be more reliable and immediate than
> voicemail.
- 11-09-2004, 11:36 AM #18JosephGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:28:40 GMT, "John Richards"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1099952532.585569@sj-nntpcache-5...
>> John Richards wrote:
>>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a
>>>> world where information is real time," he says.
>>>>
>>>> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
>>>> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up
>>>> at some point in the future or that makes them call another
>>>> number to find out who has been trying to contact them.
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
>>> any
>>> less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
>>> a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
>>> receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
>>> over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
>>> 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.
>>
>> How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
>> outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
>> to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
>> for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
>> dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
>> there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
>> Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.
>
>This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.
Maybe you should consider that different people have different
preferences and that it's not always about *you* that other people
view it differently. Also consider that SMS may be cheaper in other
countries than it is to actually talk to someone.
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- 11-09-2004, 11:38 AM #19JosephGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
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- 11-09-2004, 12:34 PM #20QuickGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
John Richards wrote:
> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
>>
>> Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>
> Right, my cell phone doesn't.
>
>> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>
> Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)
Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
Just an example of a changing paradigm.
-Quick
- 11-09-2004, 10:07 PM #21IMHOGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>
> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
>
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>
Your opinion. See below:
"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm
- 11-09-2004, 10:35 PM #22John NavasGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
[POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
In <bugkd.52018$_g6.34514@okepread03> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
"IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>>
>> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
>> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
>Your opinion. See below:
>
>"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
>in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
>wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
>the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm
The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
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- 11-09-2004, 11:00 PM #23Steve SobolGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
IMHO wrote:
> "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>>
>>That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
>>know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
>>
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>>
>
> Your opinion. See below:
>
> "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
> in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
> wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
> the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm
Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile phone
penetration is ridiculously high.
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- 11-09-2004, 11:08 PM #24IMHOGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <bugkd.52018$_g6.34514@okepread03> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
>>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>>>
>>> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
>>> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
>
>>Your opinion. See below:
>>
>>"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
>>in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
>>wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms
>>of
>>the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
>>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm
>
> The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
He might be a slightly more objective and informed than Joseph AKA
[email protected]
- 11-10-2004, 05:45 AM #25Jacob SuterGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
John Richards wrote:
> This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not
> teenagers.
Reasons SMS blows Voicemail away (and why I've replaced many of my voice
conversations with SMS/Email):
#1 - I can SMS on much less than 'talkable' signal
#2 - I can check my text messages in less time than it takes to get a
*86 call to connect
#3 - SMS is dirt cheap when you pre-pay for it. I pay $2/mo for like
100 messages. It easily saves me 250 minutes/month.
#4 - I can maintain a bidirectional SMS conversation in a movie theater,
restraunt, while holding a real life conversation, etc, and not disturb
anyone.
#5 - Delivery confirmation on SMS messages (cool feature until your
girlfriend finds out about it - no more "oh I didn't read that message
til this morning" excuse)
#6 - Reduced on-body RF exposure (no need to hold the handset up to your
head)
#7 - You can SMS while on a voice call (unless you've got a craporola
v120e and it gets so damned slow it just *can't*)
#8 - SMS doesn't eat as much battery - backlights are less consumption
than transmitters and signal processors
#9 - Easy to review later, can CC or FW to home email address for later
reference...
#10 - leaving a 'voice based' number-only text page generally is enough
information for anyone that wants to leave voicemail. If its easy to
call back, I probably will.
Is that enough reasons?
JS
- 11-10-2004, 09:47 AM #26Steve SobolGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
IMHO wrote:
>>Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
>>manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile
>>phone penetration is ridiculously high.
>>
>
> Then you agree with [email protected] that most cell users IM & SMS
> rather than talk on a cell phone?
You can't even infer that from what I just said. Nor can you infer it from what
Joseph said. Nice try.
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- 11-10-2004, 04:22 PM #27John RichardsGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:28:40 GMT, "John Richards"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1099952532.585569@sj-nntpcache-5...
>>> John Richards wrote:
>>>> Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
>>>> any
>>>> less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
>>>> a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
>>>> receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
>>>> over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
>>>> 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.
>>>
>>> How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
>>> outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
>>> to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
>>> for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
>>> dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
>>> there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
>>> Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.
>>
>>This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.
>
> Maybe you should consider that different people have different
> preferences and that it's not always about *you* that other people
> view it differently.
That's why inquired, in order to be enlightened. I have no problem with
different people having different preferences. I merely asked for the
rationale for those preferences. Perhaps I would have learned about
new uses for SMS that I wasn't aware of.
--
John Richards
- 11-10-2004, 04:27 PM #28John RichardsGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1100025125.459206@sj-nntpcache-5...
> John Richards wrote:
>> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
>>> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>>
>> Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)
>
> Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
> IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
> found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
> company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
> example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
> Just an example of a changing paradigm.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if I were a classroom instructor or
lecturer of a small group, I'd be offended if attendees started
typing away on cell phones while I was talking. It denotes
disrespect for the speaker.
--
John Richards
- 11-10-2004, 04:36 PM #29John RichardsGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
"Jacob Suter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Reasons SMS blows Voicemail away (and why I've replaced many of my voice
> conversations with SMS/Email):
>
> #4 - I can maintain a bidirectional SMS conversation in a movie theater,
> restraunt, while holding a real life conversation, etc, and not disturb
> anyone.
You really think you're not 'disturbing' anyone? If so, you have a lot thicker
skin than me. If I'm with someone, they pretty much get 100% of my
attention. It's common courtesy. Even if you're unaccompanied in a
darkened theater, the glowing keyboard would be a distraction to
other patrons.
--
John Richards
- 11-10-2004, 04:45 PM #30QuickGuest
Re: Voicemail message is getting lost
John Richards wrote:
> "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1100025125.459206@sj-nntpcache-5...
>> John Richards wrote:
>>> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
>>>> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
>>>
>>> Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)
>>
>> Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
>> IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
>> found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
>> company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
>> example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
>> Just an example of a changing paradigm.
>
> Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if I were a classroom instructor or
> lecturer of a small group, I'd be offended if attendees started
> typing away on cell phones while I was talking. It denotes
> disrespect for the speaker.
Yes. I'm old too -. But it seems to be a cultural/business shift.
I fully agree with the classroom/lecturer venue. Business meetings
(around here anyway) seem to have shifted and in general it makes
them more productive in a shorter amount of time. There is a lot
of information passed in real time between sub-group members,
people aren't paged out of the room as much, "we need to get back
to you on that" doesn't happen as much, etc.
I'm talking about lap tops here but the instant/txt messaging on
cell phones is an extension of that.
-Quick
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