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  1. #16
    dr.wireMORE
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    Glad Cingular messages don't get lost: but on
    (http://www.cingular.com/sendamessage), the "nicest" disclaimer(below):
    that variable(s) could affect delivery. Which begs that I repeat: if it is
    important, talk TO the person. And to confirmation: delivery does not mean
    it got read. If you've never lost a message, that is pretty terrific. Me,
    I call if it's that important. dr

    "Please be aware that there are certain variables that could affect the
    delivery of your message, including whether the mobile number has our Text
    Messaging (text messaging) service, restrictions on the mobile number that
    would prevent it from receiving text messages, and interruptions in the
    Internet or in the Cingular Wireless Network."

    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Much depends on the carrier, of course. With Cingular GSM, I've never
    > seen a
    > message delayed except when traversing a gateway to another carrier, and
    > even
    > that has been rare. When delivery of a message is important, I turn on
    > the
    > delivery confirmation flag and/or ask the recipient to confirm delivery.
    > In
    > general I find SMS delivery to be more reliable and immediate than
    > voicemail.
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Tue, 09 Nov 2004
    > 13:56:27 GMT, "dr.wireMORE" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I (we) have experienced in our local area that text messages as well as
    >>voice messages have sometimes been delayed for up to 4-7 days. Part of
    >>this
    >>was an upgrade, but it has also been happening off/on for about 3 months,
    >>and if you depend on this delivery as "real time" or absolute, then you
    >>may
    >>be in for a surprise (disappointment).
    >>
    >>But, given truth in advertising: the fine print says that the carrier (any
    >>carrier) is not responsible for lost or delayed messages. They do not
    >>gaurantee delivery. So if it is really important, you should "speak" to
    >>the
    >>person who needs that information. dr.






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  2. #17
    dr.wireMORE
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    I just went further to the Cingular site, and I was impressed with there
    honesty. It was also refreshing to see that if you didn't like there web
    site, then go elsewhere. That was pretty kool. This is not to single out
    Cingular, as their disclosure about no gaurantees is pretty standard in the
    industry. This is broader than just text/voice messages, but the jest is
    the same: I'm serious, this is a great disclaimer. AKA: Use technology at
    your own risk. If your mail goes thru, great; if not, we told you so. dr

    YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT CINGULAR SHALL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY
    DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, EXEMPLARY OR OTHER
    DAMAGES <snip> MESSAGES RECEIVED OR TRANSACTIONS ENTERED INTO THROUGH OR
    FROM OUR SITE<snip> IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF OUR SITE, OR
    WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO
    DISCONTINUE USING OUR SITE.



    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    <snip previous post, my post>
    Much depends on the carrier, of course. With Cingular GSM, I've never seen
    a
    > message delayed except when traversing a gateway to another carrier, and
    > even
    > that has been rare. When delivery of a message is important, I turn on
    > the
    > delivery confirmation flag and/or ask the recipient to confirm delivery.
    > In
    > general I find SMS delivery to be more reliable and immediate than
    > voicemail.






  3. #18
    Joseph
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:28:40 GMT, "John Richards"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1099952532.585569@sj-nntpcache-5...
    >> John Richards wrote:
    >>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> "If you look at the younger generation, they have grown up in a
    >>>> world where information is real time," he says.
    >>>>
    >>>> This means they have no patience with a system that demands they
    >>>> leave a message for someone in the hope that they will pick it up
    >>>> at some point in the future or that makes them call another
    >>>> number to find out who has been trying to contact them.
    >>>
    >>> Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
    >>> any
    >>> less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
    >>> a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
    >>> receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
    >>> over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
    >>> 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.

    >>
    >> How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
    >> outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
    >> to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
    >> for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
    >> dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
    >> there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
    >> Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.

    >
    >This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.


    Maybe you should consider that different people have different
    preferences and that it's not always about *you* that other people
    view it differently. Also consider that SMS may be cheaper in other
    countries than it is to actually talk to someone.

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  4. #19
    Joseph
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >And the people I know think phones are to talk on.


    That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    know are not representative of everyone on the planet!

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  5. #20
    Quick
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    John Richards wrote:
    > "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
    >>
    >> Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.

    >
    > Right, my cell phone doesn't.
    >
    >> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >
    > Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)


    Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
    IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
    found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
    company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
    example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
    Just an example of a changing paradigm.

    -Quick





  6. #21
    IMHO
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >
    > That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    > know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    >

    Your opinion. See below:

    "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm





  7. #22
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <bugkd.52018$_g6.34514@okepread03> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
    "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!


    >Your opinion. See below:
    >
    >"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    >in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    >wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    >the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    >http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm


    The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  8. #23
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    IMHO wrote:
    > "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >>On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >>That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >>know are not representative of everyone on the planet!
    >>
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    >>

    >
    > Your opinion. See below:
    >
    > "Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    > in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    > wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms of
    > the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    > http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm


    Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
    manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile phone
    penetration is ridiculously high.


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  9. #24
    IMHO
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <bugkd.52018$_g6.34514@okepread03> on Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:07:34 -0600,
    > "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:07:38 -0600, "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>Not all phones have IM and SMS capability.
    >>>>And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
    >>>
    >>> That's just it. It's the people *you* know. You and the people you
    >>> know are not representative of everyone on the planet!

    >
    >>Your opinion. See below:
    >>
    >>"Jorma Ollila, chairman and chief executive of Finland's Nokia, said that,
    >>in developed countries where mobile phone penetration is already high,
    >>wireless communications will overtake fixed-line communications in terms
    >>of
    >>the volume of voice call traffic." Link to full article follows:
    >>http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinv...le-world_x.htm

    >
    > The chairman and chief executive of Nokia is objective?!
    >
    > --
    > Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    > John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>


    He might be a slightly more objective and informed than Joseph AKA
    [email protected]





  10. #25
    Jacob Suter
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    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    John Richards wrote:

    > This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not
    > teenagers.


    Reasons SMS blows Voicemail away (and why I've replaced many of my voice
    conversations with SMS/Email):

    #1 - I can SMS on much less than 'talkable' signal

    #2 - I can check my text messages in less time than it takes to get a
    *86 call to connect

    #3 - SMS is dirt cheap when you pre-pay for it. I pay $2/mo for like
    100 messages. It easily saves me 250 minutes/month.

    #4 - I can maintain a bidirectional SMS conversation in a movie theater,
    restraunt, while holding a real life conversation, etc, and not disturb
    anyone.

    #5 - Delivery confirmation on SMS messages (cool feature until your
    girlfriend finds out about it - no more "oh I didn't read that message
    til this morning" excuse)

    #6 - Reduced on-body RF exposure (no need to hold the handset up to your
    head)

    #7 - You can SMS while on a voice call (unless you've got a craporola
    v120e and it gets so damned slow it just *can't*)

    #8 - SMS doesn't eat as much battery - backlights are less consumption
    than transmitters and signal processors

    #9 - Easy to review later, can CC or FW to home email address for later
    reference...

    #10 - leaving a 'voice based' number-only text page generally is enough
    information for anyone that wants to leave voicemail. If its easy to
    call back, I probably will.

    Is that enough reasons?

    JS





  11. #26
    Steve Sobol
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    IMHO wrote:

    >>Of course Jorma Ollila would say that; he runs the world's #1 handset
    >>manufacturer, which happens to be headquartered in a country where mobile
    >>phone penetration is ridiculously high.
    >>

    >
    > Then you agree with [email protected] that most cell users IM & SMS
    > rather than talk on a cell phone?


    You can't even infer that from what I just said. Nor can you infer it from what
    Joseph said. Nice try.

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  12. #27
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:28:40 GMT, "John Richards"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1099952532.585569@sj-nntpcache-5...
    >>> John Richards wrote:
    >>>> Maybe I'm missing something, but how is leaving a voicemail message
    >>>> any
    >>>> less "real time" than sending that person a text message? Except for
    >>>> a few rare circumstances (say, in a classroom or meeting) if I
    >>>> receive a text message from someone, I would not give it preference
    >>>> over any voicemail left for me. In fact, the opposite is true since
    >>>> 'voice' implies more urgency than 'text'.
    >>>
    >>> How about (daughter to friend example) "look at that cute guy standing
    >>> outside the door in the hall"? Voice mail wouldn't cut it. You would have
    >>> to speak out loud to leave the voice mail. It would take a minute or so
    >>> for the indicator to arrive at the target phone. Recipient would have to
    >>> dial voice mail and listen... cute guy has moved on out of sight. Then
    >>> there is the thing about not having to speak out loud to convey the message.
    >>> Important if you are discussing the person you are standing next to. etc.

    >>
    >>This is perhaps a valid point for teenagers, but most of us are not teenagers.

    >
    > Maybe you should consider that different people have different
    > preferences and that it's not always about *you* that other people
    > view it differently.


    That's why inquired, in order to be enlightened. I have no problem with
    different people having different preferences. I merely asked for the
    rationale for those preferences. Perhaps I would have learned about
    new uses for SMS that I wasn't aware of.

    --
    John Richards



  13. #28
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:1100025125.459206@sj-nntpcache-5...
    > John Richards wrote:
    >> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
    >>> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.

    >>
    >> Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)

    >
    > Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
    > IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
    > found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
    > company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
    > example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
    > Just an example of a changing paradigm.


    Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if I were a classroom instructor or
    lecturer of a small group, I'd be offended if attendees started
    typing away on cell phones while I was talking. It denotes
    disrespect for the speaker.

    --
    John Richards



  14. #29
    John Richards
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    "Jacob Suter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Reasons SMS blows Voicemail away (and why I've replaced many of my voice
    > conversations with SMS/Email):
    >
    > #4 - I can maintain a bidirectional SMS conversation in a movie theater,
    > restraunt, while holding a real life conversation, etc, and not disturb
    > anyone.


    You really think you're not 'disturbing' anyone? If so, you have a lot thicker
    skin than me. If I'm with someone, they pretty much get 100% of my
    attention. It's common courtesy. Even if you're unaccompanied in a
    darkened theater, the glowing keyboard would be a distraction to
    other patrons.

    --
    John Richards



  15. #30
    Quick
    Guest

    Re: Voicemail message is getting lost

    John Richards wrote:
    > "Quick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1100025125.459206@sj-nntpcache-5...
    >> John Richards wrote:
    >>> "IMHO" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:_vWjd.48629$_g6.11722@okepread03...
    >>>> And the people I know think phones are to talk on.
    >>>
    >>> Same here. I guess you and I don't hang out with teenagers. :-)

    >>
    >> Here at work we use a messaging application. It's like AOL
    >> IM except that it's more secure (they rolled that out when they
    >> found that the sales force and other's were using AOL for
    >> company information). It caught on very quickly and, for
    >> example, is much used in large meetings for side conversations.
    >> Just an example of a changing paradigm.

    >
    > Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but if I were a classroom instructor or
    > lecturer of a small group, I'd be offended if attendees started
    > typing away on cell phones while I was talking. It denotes
    > disrespect for the speaker.


    Yes. I'm old too -. But it seems to be a cultural/business shift.
    I fully agree with the classroom/lecturer venue. Business meetings
    (around here anyway) seem to have shifted and in general it makes
    them more productive in a shorter amount of time. There is a lot
    of information passed in real time between sub-group members,
    people aren't paged out of the room as much, "we need to get back
    to you on that" doesn't happen as much, etc.

    I'm talking about lap tops here but the instant/txt messaging on
    cell phones is an extension of that.

    -Quick





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