Verizon has free incoming calls

My responce would be sorry, calls made in Janurary must be billed during
their normal billing period. and then there would be a letter to the
states attorney general and states commerce commision.

I'll bet they would have then changed your bill

Chip



Dave C. wrote:
> "Ralph Blach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>They refused to change???????????????
>>They must be brave. If they that to much, you end up with lots of
>>lawyers!!!!
>>
>>Chip
>>
>>Dave C. wrote:
>>
>>>Verizon's service, as far as coverage goes, is great. I had to dump
>>>Verizon for Cingular though, when Verizon made outrageous billing errors
>>>in Verizon's favor, ADMITTED that they made errors, and refused to
>>>correct them. -Dave
>
>
> More details . . . I was making calls in my home area, on Verizon's Network,
> with a Verizon handset. In other words, I wasn't roaming, and wasn't
> off-network or even out of my HOME area. But, many calls I was making
> weren't billed until three months after I made them. So it worked out like
> this (for example). Month 1 I used most of my anytime minutes, but only
> about half the minutes I used showed on the bill. Did I get a credit for
> minutes NOT used? Of course not. Then in month 4, I used most of my
> anytime minutes again. For month 4 I get billed for (month 4) plus (half of
> month 1). MAJOR OVERAGE CHARGES!!!
>
> This happened multiple times. Verizon claimed that this was "normal" and
> that "all cell phone companies do that". Uhhhhhhh . . . no, they don't.
> Not for calls in your home area on their own network they don't. Only
> Verizon pulls that particular scam.
>
> To be fair, I didn't need Verizon's help to rack up overage charges, as I
> did that periodically without any help from Verizon's screwed up billing
> system. HOWEVER, the delayed billing was clearly unfair when I'd have
> hundreds of unused minutes in January's statement and then I'd be billed in
> April for overage charges resulting from calls MADE IN JANUARY. -Dave
>
>

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Dave C. wrote:
> "Ralph Blach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>They refused to change???????????????
>>They must be brave. If they that to much, you end up with lots of
>>lawyers!!!!
>>
>>Chip
>>
>>Dave C. wrote:
>>
>>>Verizon's service, as far as coverage goes, is great. I had to dump
>>>Verizon for Cingular though, when Verizon made outrageous billing errors
>>>in Verizon's favor, ADMITTED that they made errors, and refused to
>>>correct them. -Dave
>
>
> More details . . . I was making calls in my home area, on Verizon's Network,
> with a Verizon handset. In other words, I wasn't roaming, and wasn't
> off-network or even out of my HOME area. But, many calls I was making
> weren't billed until three months after I made them. So it worked out like
> this (for example). Month 1 I used most of my anytime minutes, but only
> about half the minutes I used showed on the bill. Did I get a credit for
> minutes NOT used? Of course not. Then in month 4, I used most of my
> anytime minutes again. For month 4 I get billed for (month 4) plus (half of
> month 1). MAJOR OVERAGE CHARGES!!!
>
> This happened multiple times. Verizon claimed that this was "normal" and
> that "all cell phone companies do that". Uhhhhhhh . . . no, they don't.
> Not for calls in your home area on their own network they don't. Only
> Verizon pulls that particular scam.
>
> To be fair, I didn't need Verizon's help to rack up overage charges, as I
> did that periodically without any help from Verizon's screwed up billing
> system. HOWEVER, the delayed billing was clearly unfair when I'd have
> hundreds of unused minutes in January's statement and then I'd be billed in
> April for overage charges resulting from calls MADE IN JANUARY. -Dave
>
>
you wonder if they were waiting for it.

Chip

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:36:47 -0800, "Tsheer" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I read that millions of people moved their cell phone number to Verizon, so
>I checked it out. I'm currently a Cingular customer with a GSM phone.
>
>No rollover on Verizon, but incoming calls are free! I really like that, as
>most of my calls are incoming.

Not true. Verizon does have unlimited mobile to mobile, so if you call
/ receive a call from another Verizon customer, you won't be billed
nor will it come out of your minutes.

>However, I think they are not GSM. Is that right?

Correct, they are CDMA.

>So I would have to buy a phone directly from Verizon?

No, you could buy a CDMA phone from eBay or a friend.


>I like the ability with Cingular to buy whatever GSM phone I like.

You have the ability to buy whatever CDMA phone you like - verify they
will activate it first by giving them the ESN.

>Any chance in h*ll Cingular might introduce free incoming calls?

Doubt it.
--
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>>
> you wonder if they were waiting for it.
>
> Chip

Well, Verizon got what they wanted . . . a little extra short-term profit
that they stole from me. They also lost a good customer for life. -Dave

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Wed, 24 Nov 2004
20:27:03
> -0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:58:05 -0800, "Tsheer" <[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>Well, I misinterpreted what "unlimited IN calls" means, it's in-network,
and
> >>not incoming, so sorry for the misleading subject, but thanks for the
> >>responses.
> >>
> >>Still the unlimited in-network is attractive to me.
> >
> >Practically every mobile provider has an unlimited mobile-to-mobile
> >plan. It's not just the province of Verizon. You wouldn't think so
> >from watching commercials but it's true. Some (such as cingular)
> >count *all* calls as mobile-to-mobile even if you're on someone else's
> >network.
>
> Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
network.

Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.

Wrong again.

It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory no
matter who owns said network.

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SS

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In <[email protected]> on Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:53:23 -0600,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
>network.
>
>Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>
>Wrong again.
>
>It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory no
>matter who owns said network.

Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.

Wrong again.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
> network.
>
> Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>
> Wrong again.
>
> It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory no
> matter who owns said network.

With ATTWS, that wasn't the case--and it was *****ed out explicitly.

The Cingular web site doesn't go into enough detail for me, a
prospective Cingular customer, to understand the details and limitations
of their M2M offer.

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:53:23 -0600,
> "Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> >> Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
> >network.
> >
> >Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
> >
> >Wrong again.
> >
> >It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory
no
> >matter who owns said network.
>
> Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>
> Wrong again.


How much money you wanna bet on this one?

We just had a meeting with a gentleman named Andy Shibley and this very
subject happened to arise.

--
SS

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov 2004 09:15:09 -0600,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:53:23 -0600,
>> "Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>>
>> >> Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
>> >network.
>> >
>> >Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>> >
>> >Wrong again.
>> >
>> >It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory no
>> >matter who owns said network.
>>
>> Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>>
>> Wrong again.
>
>How much money you wanna bet on this one?
>
>We just had a meeting with a gentleman named Andy Shibley and this very
>subject happened to arise.

He stated that Cingular subscribers can roam on *every* GSM network in the
USA? Because that would be needed for M2M to even work on *every* GSM network
in the USA. Perhaps he meant M2M applied on any GSM network with which
Cingular has a roaming agreement? ;-)

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In <[email protected]> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:

>>We just had a meeting with a gentleman named Andy Shibley and this very
>>subject happened to arise.

>He stated that Cingular subscribers can roam on *every* GSM network in the
>USA? Because that would be needed for M2M to even work on *every* GSM network
>in the USA. Perhaps he meant M2M applied on any GSM network with which
>Cingular has a roaming agreement? ;-)

Hmm... remember a couple of years ago when Voicestream [a] (t-mobile) made
that cross-usage agreement with Cingular? I think they both considered
mobile-to-mobile calls between companies - in the joint areas - to be the
same as intra-company?

[a] Not sure exactly when the name change occurred
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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:42:13 +0000 (UTC),
danny burstein <[email protected]> wrote:

>In <[email protected]> John Navas <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>>We just had a meeting with a gentleman named Andy Shibley and this very
>>>subject happened to arise.
>
>>He stated that Cingular subscribers can roam on *every* GSM network in the
>>USA? Because that would be needed for M2M to even work on *every* GSM network
>>in the USA. Perhaps he meant M2M applied on any GSM network with which
>>Cingular has a roaming agreement? ;-)
>
>Hmm... remember a couple of years ago when Voicestream [a] (t-mobile) made
>that cross-usage agreement with Cingular? I think they both considered
>mobile-to-mobile calls between companies - in the joint areas - to be the
>same as intra-company?
>
>[a] Not sure exactly when the name change occurred

T-Mobile is not the only other GSM operator in the USA, just the only other
national one. There are lots of regional GSM operators -- see
<http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml>

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>Cingular Mobile-to-Mobile doesn't apply if you're on someone else's
>>
>>network.
>>
>>Bbbbzzzzzzzztttttt.
>>
>>Wrong again.
>>
>>It does as long as you are on a GSM network in any US state or territory no
>>matter who owns said network.
>
>
> With ATTWS, that wasn't the case--and it was *****ed out explicitly.
>
> The Cingular web site doesn't go into enough detail for me, a
> prospective Cingular customer, to understand the details and limitations
> of their M2M offer.
>


Hmmm, the web site seems to be pretty clear to me...


Mobile to Mobile
Enjoy unlimited calls to and from any other Cingular customer when
making calls within your rate plan's calling area. Mobile to Mobile
minutes do not roll over and are available only on select plans.

Using Mobile to Mobile
Mobile to Mobile minutes may be used when you directly dial or receive a
call from another Cingular phone number from within your calling area.

Troubleshooting Mobile to Mobile
If you believe that you were incorrectly charged for a Mobile to Mobile
call, check to see if that call was made or received within your rate
plan's calling area.

>Mobile to Mobile minutes may be used when you directly dial or receive a
>call from another Cingular phone number from within your calling area.

And if you have a national plan, the whole nation is your "calling area".

It's important to remember that if you are on a regional or Local plan, and
travel outside that calling area, mobile to mobile goes away and you are also
charged roaming charges.

--
John S.
e-mail responses to - john at kiana dot net

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected]pamfree (John S.) wrote:

> >Mobile to Mobile minutes may be used when you directly dial or receive a
> >call from another Cingular phone number from within your calling area.
>
> And if you have a national plan, the whole nation is your "calling area".
>
> It's important to remember that if you are on a regional or Local plan, and
> travel outside that calling area, mobile to mobile goes away and you are also
> charged roaming charges.

And that nasty gotcha gets you on any cellular carrier.

In article <[email protected]>,
Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:

> > With ATTWS, that wasn't the case--and it was *****ed out explicitly.
> >
> > The Cingular web site doesn't go into enough detail for me, a
> > prospective Cingular customer, to understand the details and limitations
> > of their M2M offer.
> >
>
>
> Hmmm, the web site seems to be pretty clear to me...
>
>
> Mobile to Mobile
> Enjoy unlimited calls to and from any other Cingular customer when
> making calls within your rate plan's calling area. Mobile to Mobile
> minutes do not roll over and are available only on select plans.
>
> Using Mobile to Mobile
> Mobile to Mobile minutes may be used when you directly dial or receive a
> call from another Cingular phone number from within your calling area.
>
> Troubleshooting Mobile to Mobile
> If you believe that you were incorrectly charged for a Mobile to Mobile
> call, check to see if that call was made or received within your rate
> plan's calling area.

With ATTWS, the deal was that you had to be on the ATTWS network for it
to count as M2M.

I go to Cincinnati now and again, where ATTWS doesn't have its own
presence; Cincinnati Bell Wireless is the carrier, and they use ATTWS to
do their work. Nonetheless, my phone says CBW, not ATT Wireless,
therefore I'm not on the ATT Wireless network--and if I call another
ATTWS subscriber, I'm dinged for minutes used. The other party isn't,
if he's on the ATTWS network.

Therefore, I sincerely question Cingular's statement on M2M. I strongly
suspect there's more to the deal than what they're publishing.