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  1. #31
    John Navas
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

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    In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:17:37 -0600, Jer
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov
    >> 2004 09:29:07 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>>"Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>
    >>>>In this case the conditions are that you pay $59 a month for a rate plan or
    >>>>MORE. How you equate paying $59+ per month with free is the strange part.
    >>>
    >>>Free you means you don't pay $7/month EXTRA like Cingular charges. It's
    >>>free for the 7 PM nights, not Free for the celular service.

    >>
    >> Of course you pay extra, albeit bundled into a single price rather than being
    >> split out separately. TANSTAAFL.
    >>
    >> When you buy a car do you get a free engine and transmission? Of course not.
    >> You pay for them.

    >
    >non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.


    Irrelevant... when there's a $tring attached, it isn't really free.

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  2. #32
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    In article <[email protected]>, Jer <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > > When you buy a car do you get a free engine and transmission? Of course
    > > not.
    > > You pay for them.
    > >

    >
    >
    > non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.


    But they could be.

    When you get pizza that's advertised as "free delivery," are you getting
    free delivery? Or is that built into the cost of the pizza and the
    advertised price?

    "Free" is meaningless in a business transaction. NOTHING is free.




  3. #33
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

    >>non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.

    >
    > But they could be.


    But they're not. Ever.

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  4. #34
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >>non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.

    > >
    > > But they could be.

    >
    > But they're not. Ever.


    The point is, "free" is never free. Best case, they mean "included in
    the price we quoted you and can't be stripped out of the deal in order
    to make a lower price point on the other things in the deal".

    So to that end, cars DO come with free engines.




  5. #35
    Tony Clark
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS


    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> >>non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as
    >> >>free.
    >> >
    >> > But they could be.

    >>
    >> But they're not. Ever.

    >
    > The point is, "free" is never free. Best case, they mean "included in
    > the price we quoted you and can't be stripped out of the deal in order
    > to make a lower price point on the other things in the deal".
    >
    > So to that end, cars DO come with free engines.
    >


    With that kind of logic, I have an offer for you. Free $100 bills. Yes,
    that's right. For every $200 in cash you pay me I'll give you a free, brand
    spankin new, $100 bill. No limit to this offer and this offer NEVER expires!

    TC





  6. #36
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > The point is, "free" is never free. Best case, they mean "included in
    > > the price we quoted you and can't be stripped out of the deal in order
    > > to make a lower price point on the other things in the deal".
    > >
    > > So to that end, cars DO come with free engines.
    > >

    >
    > With that kind of logic, I have an offer for you. Free $100 bills. Yes,
    > that's right. For every $200 in cash you pay me I'll give you a free, brand
    > spankin new, $100 bill. No limit to this offer and this offer NEVER expires!


    You're learning all about marketing now.

    How about those advertised prices that you can't buy the product for?
    Rebates on computer products, additional "fees" on cell phone pricing,
    etc.

    We are rapidly approaching the point where this stuff will be regulated.




  7. #37
    John Navas
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:40:46 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
    >
    >>>non sequitur... the engine and transmission aren't being advertised as free.

    >>
    >> But they could be.

    >
    >But they're not. Ever.


    Irrelevant.

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  8. #38
    John Navas
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Sun, 28 Nov 2004
    09:45:37 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >You're learning all about marketing now.
    >
    >How about those advertised prices that you can't buy the product for?
    >Rebates on computer products, additional "fees" on cell phone pricing,
    >etc.
    >
    >We are rapidly approaching the point where this stuff will be regulated.


    A cure worse than the disease.

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  9. #39
    Elmo P. Shagnasty
    Guest

    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >How about those advertised prices that you can't buy the product for?
    > >Rebates on computer products, additional "fees" on cell phone pricing,
    > >etc.
    > >
    > >We are rapidly approaching the point where this stuff will be regulated.

    >
    > A cure worse than the disease.


    Maybe. But it's time that retailers be cured from the habit of
    advertising prices that the consumer can't buy the product for.

    We're just a small step away from places like Walmart advertising
    something at one price, then adding "fees" at the register (advertising
    fee, keep the lights on fee, manager's bonus fee, etc.).




  10. #40
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: Info RE Migration to CNGLR from ATTWS

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > >How about those advertised prices that you can't buy the product for?
    > > >Rebates on computer products, additional "fees" on cell phone pricing,
    > > >etc.
    > > >
    > > >We are rapidly approaching the point where this stuff will be regulated.

    > >
    > > A cure worse than the disease.


    Cellular carrier have only themselves to blame for whatever regulation
    they may get hit with. Over one year after their self-imposed consumer
    code, one still can't find a proper coverage map from any major carrier,
    despite the code calling for better coverage maps.

    > Maybe. But it's time that retailers be cured from the habit of
    > advertising prices that the consumer can't buy the product for.
    >
    > We're just a small step away from places like Walmart advertising
    > something at one price, then adding "fees" at the register (advertising
    > fee, keep the lights on fee, manager's bonus fee, etc.).


    Some hotels already do that, charging you extra for telephone usage.
    Some retail establishments want to charge you extra if you used a credit
    card.

    Here in Texas a furniture chain advertised an after Thanksgiving
    "Half-Off" Sale. Half-Off what you might ask. Excellent question, as the
    very fine microprint at the bottom of the page revealed it was half-off
    the "compare at" price, which is a price higher than they ever charge
    and while for mattresses it might be the never charged MSRP, for other
    items it's a total Fiction with zero basis in reality. So for some
    items, half-off is the regular price.



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