v551

To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine which
phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?





"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "TIM CAMPBELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
> > towers as"home" where as the v400
> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
> > any info will be much appreciated
>
> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
> phopne & Sim

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The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
mine does.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:05:27 GMT, "Bob K." <[email protected]>
wrote:

>To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine which
>phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?
>
>
>
>
>
>"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "TIM CAMPBELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND Att
>> > towers as"home" where as the v400
>> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
>> > any info will be much appreciated
>>
>> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
>> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
>> phopne & Sim
>

Thanks M.D.

I was going to add to my question the same for ENS. How do I know which
have it and which don't?


"M. D. Borca" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> mine does.
>
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 17:05:27 GMT, "Bob K." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >To avoid this situation how can I, as a soon to be customer, determine
which
> >phones have a 64k SIM vs. a 32k one?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> >> "TIM CAMPBELL" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > seems like I read a earlier post about the v551 seeing Cingular AND
Att
> >> > towers as"home" where as the v400
> >> > and v600 only see the Cingular towers as home
> >> > any info will be much appreciated
> >>
> >> If you have the new 64K Sim it wont matter. If you have an older 32K
> >> sim, it depends whether you have an AT&T phone & Sim; or a Cingular
> >> phopne & Sim
> >
>

M. D. Borca wrote:
> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> mine does.
>


My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
something.


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Well before I asked I looked at these sites and couldn't find it.

http://www.cellphones.ca/resources/glossary.cfm
http://www.mobiledia.com/glossary/
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/





"Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> M. D. Borca wrote:
> > The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> > mine does.
> >
>
>
> My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
> side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
> clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
> something.
>
>
> --
> jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

In article <6wLsd.141329$V41.105883@attbi_s52>,
"Bob K." <[email protected]> wrote:

> Well before I asked I looked at these sites and couldn't find it.
>
> http://www.cellphones.ca/resources/glossary.cfm
> http://www.mobiledia.com/glossary/
> http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > M. D. Borca wrote:
> > > The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
> > > mine does.
> > >
> >
> >
> > My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
> > side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
> > clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
> > something.
> >
> >
> > --
> > jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

I called Cingular, and in addition to the 4 different answers I got
regarding sims, one thing I was told that sounded credible is that "all
the phones sold now by Cingular have 64K sims in them."

I went to an ATTWS store (supposed to be Cingular on Nov. 15 according
to a press release some know it all falsely claimed didn't exist), and
looked at a Razr v3, the sales person insisted he was employed by ATTWS
even though his shirt said Cingular on it, and didnt want to show me the
phone anymore when he found out I was a "Cingular" customer. "This is an
AT&T store" he told me on Dec. 4, 2004.

And your point is?

___________________
Ann
Motorola V551
iPAQ 4355

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I called Cingular, and in addition to the 4 different answers I got
> regarding sims, one thing I was told that sounded credible is that "all
> the phones sold now by Cingular have 64K sims in them."
>
> I went to an ATTWS store (supposed to be Cingular on Nov. 15 according
> to a press release some know it all falsely claimed didn't exist), and
> looked at a Razr v3, the sales person insisted he was employed by ATTWS
> even though his shirt said Cingular on it, and didnt want to show me the
> phone anymore when he found out I was a "Cingular" customer. "This is an
> AT&T store" he told me on Dec. 4, 2004.

Ann wrote:
> And your point is?
>
> ___________________
> Ann
> Motorola V551
> iPAQ 4355
>


Jack is also a fashion critic.


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John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:17:29 -0600,
> Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>John Navas wrote:
>
>
>>>The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>>
>>The subject of this thread is v551.
>
>
> 1. I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551:
>
> "Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them..."


If you read that entire page, it talked about both the SIMs and the v551.

>
> 2. Do you know for a fact that the V551 does support ENS?
>

Yes.

http://www.ardice.com/Arts/Movies/Ti...4th_Floor,_The

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 23:29:28 -0600,
Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 04 Dec 2004 22:17:29 -0600,
>> Bob Horvath <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>John Navas wrote:
>>
>>>>The handset must also support ENS for ENS to work.
>>>
>>>The subject of this thread is v551.
>>
>> 1. I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551:
>>
>> "Sounds like all SIMs sent out after 11/15 should have them..."
>
>If you read that entire page, it talked about both the SIMs and the v551.

Again, I was responding to material that wasn't specific to the V551.
You responded to me, not the entire page.

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:06:38 -0600, Jer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>M. D. Borca wrote:

>> The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
>> mine does.
>
>My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
>side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
>clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
>something.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens

ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

John Navas wrote:

> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on Sun, 05 Dec 2004 15:06:38 -0600, Jer
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>M. D. Borca wrote:
>
>
>>>The 64k sims say "SmartChip" on them and will even say 64k on them,
>>>mine does.
>>
>>My Cingular V551 also has "SmartChip" and 64K imprinted on the label
>>side of the SIM. As to whether the V551 itself is ENS compliant, I am
>>clueless. If I knew what the ENS acronym meant, I might could Google up
>>something.
>
>
> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>
> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)
>


The answer I got from my Cingular buddy today was exactly the same,
except for the nit pick of "Enhanced Network /Selection/"

So, I'm happy to know that the new Moto V551 comes from Cingular with a
64K SIM, has xxxxxAB firmware, and is ENS compliant. I'm all set.

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On 2004-12-06, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>
> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)

ok, so practically speaking, is there really a difference between the older
and newer SIMs.

I got my v551 on Nov 22. This discussion got me to look at the SIM I was
given. I have a 32K SIM. The phone was purchased from a Cingular owned
store. Should I go back and complain? If so, what am I complaining about?
Just that I got an old SIM, or can I give a legitimate reason for wanting
the new one? Will it make a difference? The fact is, my phone works well.
I haven't had any connectivity problems. But I've only been in my home
area since I've gotten it. I do travel quite a bit normally, but no travel
is in my immediate future to test it before my 30 days are up. I'm not
about to complain for no reason. I have better things to do with my time
than run back and forth to a Cingular store. But if it will make a
difference when I'm on the road, I don't want to be stuck later on.

Thanks.

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PO Box 23523, Rochester, NY 14692, (585) 359-8695
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 07 Dec 2004 03:36:37
GMT, Larry Moss <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2004-12-06, John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/search?as_q=cingular+ens
>>
>> ENS stands for Enhanced Network Services, which extends GSM by making it
>> possible for the handset to effectively treat two different networks (ATTWS
>> and Cingular) as one combined Home network, so that the other network can be
>> selected even when the real Home network has a usable signal. (Without ENS,
>> the handset will only select the other network when the real Home network
>> doesn't have a usable signal, even when the other network has a better signal
>> or when the real Home network has run out of capacity.)
>
>ok, so practically speaking, is there really a difference between the older
>and newer SIMs.

Like with so many other things, it all depends, not only on your
circumstances, but also on who you ask. For one perspective, see
<http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html>.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
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