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  1. #1
    Wait
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    Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
    code/state?





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  2. #2
    Fester
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
    in LA and a Number in SanJose
    "Wait" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
    > Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
    > code/state?
    >
    >






  3. #3
    Dick
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    I was told that my daughter could not use a phone with a Texas number on my
    Seattle Family Plan because all the phones need to be on the same account,
    and a Seattle account would not cover a Texas phone.


    "Fester" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > depends on where you are I know of a guy that has one in Las Vegas and one
    > in LA and a Number in SanJose
    > "Wait" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:FG9ud.135$2r.25@fed1read02...
    >> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
    >> code/state?
    >>
    >>

    >
    >






  4. #4
    Jer
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    M. D. Borca wrote:
    > Wjhen I migrated from ATTWS to CNGLR they would not allow me to keep
    > one of my numbers which was a Utah number with my familyplan which had
    > 2 other California #'s.
    >
    > It's pretty ****ty if you ask me, ATT had no problem with it. Cingular
    > sucks major ass for this reason alone.


    Seems that Cingular expects families to share the same roof.and ATTWS
    doesn't. Since the new Cingular is being rebuilt from the top down from
    both camps, maybe some blue will rub off on the orange. Or not.



    >
    >
    > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:20:25 -0700, "Wait" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
    >>code/state?
    >>

    >
    >



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    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  5. #5
    Ron
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
    plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset and
    the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)

    The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
    plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
    coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
    So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the
    phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require it to
    be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free mobile to
    mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even if the other
    person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.

    It's a good deal, to me!

    =Ron!


    Jer wrote:

    > M. D. Borca wrote:
    >
    >> Wjhen I migrated from ATTWS to CNGLR they would not allow me to keep
    >> one of my numbers which was a Utah number with my familyplan which had
    >> 2 other California #'s.
    >>
    >> It's pretty ****ty if you ask me, ATT had no problem with it. Cingular
    >> sucks major ass for this reason alone.

    >
    >
    > Seems that Cingular expects families to share the same roof.and ATTWS
    > doesn't. Since the new Cingular is being rebuilt from the top down from
    > both camps, maybe some blue will rub off on the orange. Or not.
    >
    >
    >
    >>
    >>
    >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:20:25 -0700, "Wait" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> Can you get a family plan with the second line in a different area
    >>> code/state?

    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  6. #6
    DFS
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes


    > The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
    > plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
    > coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile. So
    > what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
    > doesn't matter anymore!!

    ----------------------------------------------------------

    EXCEPT...everyone calling him from a non nationwide cell phone or land line
    incurs a LD charge when calling him from his area. World is getting
    smaller, but not that small YET.

    DS





  7. #7
    Jer
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    Ron wrote:

    > The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
    > plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset and
    > the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
    >
    > The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
    > plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the other
    > coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to mobile.
    > So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of the phone
    > doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require it to be
    > night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free mobile to
    > mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even if the other
    > person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
    >
    > It's a good deal, to me!
    >



    Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
    matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
    long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
    separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
    carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
    ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
    call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
    services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
    to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
    transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
    transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
    go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.

    If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
    but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
    scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
    costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
    to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.

    HTH

    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  8. #8
    John Navas
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    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
    >matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
    >long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
    >separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
    >carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
    >ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
    >call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
    >services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
    >to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
    >transporting calls. ...


    True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
    cent per minute. Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
    vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  9. #9
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    John Navas wrote:

    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:50:55 -0600, Jer
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
    >>matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
    >>long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
    >>separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
    >>carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
    >>ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
    >>call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
    >>services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
    >>to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
    >>transporting calls. ...

    >
    >
    > True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
    > cent per minute.


    Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
    any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,
    but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
    customers would be an inacurate characterization.

    > Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
    > vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.


    The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
    comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
    trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
    telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
    as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.
    It may also help to understand a wireless carrier is purchasing vast
    amounts more bandwidth than any internet provider, although I presume
    that whatever the transport agreement is it's provided under a long-term
    contract.

    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  10. #10
    Ron
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?

    As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
    cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
    that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
    phones anymore??

    In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
    "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
    with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.

    Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
    free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
    family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
    mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
    spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!

    As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
    calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
    problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
    mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!

    Anyhow it works for me!!

    Peace,
    Ron!

    Jer wrote:
    > Ron wrote:
    >
    >> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
    >> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
    >> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
    >>
    >> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
    >> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
    >> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
    >> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
    >> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
    >> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
    >> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
    >> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
    >>
    >> It's a good deal, to me!
    >>

    >
    >
    > Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
    > matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
    > long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
    > separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
    > carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
    > ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
    > call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
    > services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
    > to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
    > transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
    > transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
    > go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
    >
    > If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
    > but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
    > scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
    > costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
    > to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
    >
    > HTH
    >




  11. #11
    Mark
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?


    In a country this size I would bet money that there are some cell
    plans somewhere that charge for long distance.
    >
    >As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
    >cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
    >that matter.


    Not true. I actually had to change by cell phone number in the past
    year or so because it became long distance from my house (I didn't
    move!!!)

    >Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
    >phones anymore??


    Yes. I do and I'm sure millions of others do also.

    >
    >In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
    >"back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
    >with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.


    As long as you are using a cell phone that doesn't charge for long
    distance then of course you are right. However, area codes do mean
    something for people useing landline phones

    >
    >Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
    >free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
    >family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
    >mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
    >spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!
    >
    >As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
    >calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
    >problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
    >mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!


    You and I as the consumer are ultimately responsible.

    >
    >Anyhow it works for me!!
    >
    >Peace,
    >Ron!
    >
    >Jer wrote:
    >> Ron wrote:
    >>
    >>> The told me that if I get another phone on my plan, making it a family
    >>> plan, there would be no additional charges (beyond the phone handset
    >>> and the $9.95 per month for service...it shares my minutes.)
    >>>
    >>> The thing they require is the same service area for all phones on the
    >>> plan, but what's the diff? Even if I send it to my brother on the
    >>> other coast, there's no long distance, no roaming, and free mobile to
    >>> mobile. So what does HE care what the area code is? The area code of
    >>> the phone doesn't matter anymore!! Free nights and weekends require
    >>> it to be night or weekend in the time zone of all phones, but free
    >>> mobile to mobile works 24/7 to/from any Cingular or AT&T phone, even
    >>> if the other person DOES NOT have free mobile to mobile.
    >>>
    >>> It's a good deal, to me!
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> Whoa there Hoss, where'd you get the idea that area codes no longer
    >> matter? Truth is, they matter a great deal. When a carrier says "free
    >> long distance", that means it's just not billed to the customer
    >> separately - but it's anything but free to the carrier. Cellular
    >> carriers are always analyzing their cost of providing service in more
    >> ways than you can count on both hands and feet. One way is they track
    >> call counts and call durations for both local and long distance
    >> services. Some carriers backhaul their own LD calls, some hand them off
    >> to a LD carrier, some do both. Regardless, there is no free method of
    >> transporting calls. Once the carrier sees their own internal bills for
    >> transport services, the marketing department will know how far they can
    >> go with various plan options that show up in media advertising.
    >>
    >> If a carrier requires family plan members to be locals, that plan all
    >> but eliminates LD transport costs. OTOH, if family plan members can be
    >> scattered all across the country, then those long distance calls are
    >> costing somebody something. One way or another, those costs are going
    >> to show up in someone's bill - there just ain't no getting around it.
    >>
    >> HTH
    >>





  12. #12
    Jer
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    Ron wrote:

    > Are there still any cell plans that charge extra for Long Distance?


    Of course there are, we just don't hear much about them because those
    plans aren't the focus of current media marketing.

    >
    > As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
    > cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
    > that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
    > phones anymore??


    'skuze me? Where'd you get the idea that wireline carriers don't charge
    for calling cell phones? If the call is long distance, a long distance
    bill will follow - assuming the call was outside your current service
    contract allowances.

    And yes, I make most of my calls from a landline. My cell is only for
    times when I'm away. In fact, my cell number isn't even known by most
    people because I prefer they use only one number to contact me. When
    I'm away, the landline calls forward to my cell.

    >
    > In an area where lots of people move here, many have area codes from
    > "back home" and nobody cares. It doesn't cost any different to deal
    > with my friends with "foreign" (out of state) phone area codes.


    Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?


    >
    > Besides, where can you get any cell plan for $9 a month that includes
    > free nights, weekends, and mobile to mobile before you use ANY of the
    > family minutes. Adding a phone on Family Plan is worth it just for the
    > mobile-to-mobile with that distant family member!! I bet you're
    > spending more than $9 a month without it for JUST THOSE calls!!


    I wouldn't know, I never see a bill.


    >
    > As to the fact that a cellular carrier might spend more to transport the
    > calls if one of the family phones is (always) out of town is THEIR
    > problem, not mine. They shouldn't have offered (FREE) nationwide
    > mobile-to-mobile if they didn't want me to use it!


    Of course they want you to use it, just don't think your LD use is free
    to your carrier. It's not. At one time, wireline carriers were
    chastised by regulators for using LD billing to cover part of the local
    service costs (among other things), and they responded by lowering LD
    prices and raising local prices. The 'poor person' backlash was severe,
    but it didn't make any difference - and now you also know where all
    those tack on fees come from. There is no free lunch, never has been.


    I hope my comments here have begun to relieve some of your cluelessness.


    --
    jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'



  13. #13
    John Navas
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:14:21 -0600, Jer
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:


    >> True, but that kind of bulk wholesale backhaul is dirt cheap, a fraction of a
    >> cent per minute.

    >
    >Of course, nobody here has a clue as to the financial details of what
    >any wireless carrier actually pays for backhaul voice trunk facilities,


    Actually I do. ;-)

    >but to think it doesn't contribute to the costs passed along to
    >customers would be an inacurate characterization.


    What matters is whether those costs are significant or not.

    >> Much like the distance-insensitivity of the Internet, the
    >> vast majority of long distance cellular costs are local, not long distance.

    >
    >The prior statement seems confusing... but, I don't think a valid
    >comparison can be drawn between non-trunked internet facilities and
    >trunked voice facilities used by wireless carriers. I am aware that the
    >telco billing rates are significantly different between the two, as well
    >as taxes on those rates - for both intra-lata and inter-lata transports.


    Backhaul can be done between wireless carrier switching centers over bulk
    fiber. Since we still have surplus fiber capacity, rates for bulk fiber are
    dirt cheap.

    --
    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  14. #14
    Joseph
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, Ron <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >As for wireline people, I don't think they charge wireline calls to
    >cell, no matter where the cell area code is, or where the cell is, for
    >that matter. Does anybody actually make calls from their wireline
    >phones anymore??


    Oh yes they do! If the exchange your number is in is not local to
    your caller they may pay a toll charge to call you. The whole US is
    not one local calling area yet!

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  15. #15
    Al Klein
    Guest

    Re: Family Plan - Different Area Codes

    On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:16:03 -0600, Jer <[email protected]> said in
    alt.cellular.cingular:

    >Someone ported outside their local area? How is this possible?


    I just did that the other day. Four blue-to-orange ports. (AT&T to
    Cingular, even though they call it "migration", not porting.) The
    numbers are NY, the address of record is Florida. They did require a
    Primary Place of Use (local) address, but snowbirds have 2 primary
    addresses.

    Not exactly the same thing, but close.



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