Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Thu, 16 Dec 2004 20:53:55 -0700,
"Scott Stephenson" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> If you're saying that they rule in Texas just by virtue of the fact that one of
>> the parent companies is headquartered in San Antonio, that's a pretty weak
>> argument.
>
>Ah, c'mon Steve- Jack would never make a weak argument. He might misquote,
>deflect attention form the real issue at hand, ignore questions, try to
>speak to issues which he has no knowledge of and make up more conspiracy
>theories than the KGB, but he would never make a waek argument.

Indeed -- not even a weak argument, just a pathetic argument. :-)

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

---

› See More: Sprint Nextel Merger: Employee Benefits and Bashing the Messenger

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:02:38
-0800, Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:02:27 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>All you have to do is look at
>>their woen map.
>
>What's a woen?

Anything created by Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick. ;-)
--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
Mike <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:47 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Which is partially accurate. OTOH, Sprint has outstanding coverage along
> >> the
> >> lake in Lake County, Ohio, and the Lake County (Mentor, Ohio) store didn't
> >> even
> >> show coverage there when I lived in the area and set up service back in
> >> 2000.
> >
> >Fine, the exception that proves the rule.
>
> No, I think that's pretty much the rule these days...Sprint does cover
> more than just the highways in metro areas.

Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.

"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:47 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Which is partially accurate. OTOH, Sprint has outstanding coverage
along the
> >> lake in Lake County, Ohio, and the Lake County (Mentor, Ohio) store
didn't
> >> even
> >> show coverage there when I lived in the area and set up service back in
2000.
> >
> >Fine, the exception that proves the rule.
>
> No, I think that's pretty much the rule these days...Sprint does cover
> more than just the highways in metro areas. Mentor/Lake County, OH is
> part of the Cleveland metro area.
>
> The "spiderweb" coverage patterns (only the highways) are primarily
> outside of major metro areas. Of course, as major highways group
> together in major metro areas, you'd have that coverage almost by
> default if you built along the highways.
>
> This is at least from what I've seen and heard about at any rate,
> since I don't even use Sprint...


In the greater Dayton, Ohio area (approximately the 60th largest metro area)
the VZW coverage is far better than the Sprint coverage. It's not unusual
for my son to let his friend use his VZW phone to make a call because his
friend's Sprint phone can't quite get the job done. Clearly, the
''spiderweb" coverage pattern is in effect even where one would think there
was reasonably continuous coverage.

--
D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Sat, 18 Dec
2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:14:47 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> Which is partially accurate. OTOH, Sprint has outstanding coverage along
>> >> the
>> >> lake in Lake County, Ohio, and the Lake County (Mentor, Ohio) store didn't
>> >> even
>> >> show coverage there when I lived in the area and set up service back in
>> >> 2000.
>> >
>> >Fine, the exception that proves the rule.
>>
>> No, I think that's pretty much the rule these days...Sprint does cover
>> more than just the highways in metro areas.
>
>Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.

Like any other digital cellular carrier.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

D.J. Osborn wrote:

> In the greater Dayton, Ohio area (approximately the 60th largest metro area)
> the VZW coverage is far better than the Sprint coverage. It's not unusual
> for my son to let his friend use his VZW phone to make a call because his
> friend's Sprint phone can't quite get the job done. Clearly, the
> ''spiderweb" coverage pattern is in effect even where one would think there
> was reasonably continuous coverage.

No one is arguing that Sprint has complete coverage everywhere - we all know
that's not true. I can also confirm, having a friend who has used both Sprint
and Verizon in the Columbus area, that your statement is true for that area -
the outlying areas aren't well covered. I'm arguing that the "spiderweb" isn't
a spiderweb in many areas.



--
JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.

I hope you're not implying that there's *any* carrier that covers the
whole US. Doesn't exist and probably never will since there are parts
of the US that are almost uninhabited so it'd be a waste of any
company's money to try and provide service there.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In article <[email protected]>,
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.
>
> I hope you're not implying that there's *any* carrier that covers the
> whole US. Doesn't exist and probably never will since there are parts
> of the US that are almost uninhabited so it'd be a waste of any
> company's money to try and provide service there.

But look at a Cingular map or a Verizon map and compare with the Sprint
map. Sprint is a spiders web.

Joseph in Seattle replied to this comment about Sprint's coverage maps
from a.c.sprintpcs's favorite resident troll...

>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.
>>
>>I hope you're not implying that there's *any* carrier that covers the
>>whole US. Doesn't exist and probably never will since there are parts
>>of the US that are almost uninhabited so it'd be a waste of any
>>company's money to try and provide service there.
>
> But look at a Cingular map or a Verizon map and compare with the Sprint
> map. Sprint is a spiders web.

Sprint has coverage, and for that matter Cingular has coverage, in whole CHUNKS
of the country where Verizon does not. Try the Pacific Northwest -- much of
Oregon -- or Oklahoma/New Mexico/Arkansas. Granted, Verizon coverage is solid
back East. Out here, not so much.

Hey, Dan Albrich in Oregon. Has your Verizon coverage gotten any better lately?

And you, "Jack," my dear hypocrite, are the SAME person that keeps on arguing
that cellular coverage maps aren't accurate. However, when it comes to bashing
your favorite former cellular carrier (Sprint), you conveniently ignore that
fact. Now you accept the maps as gospel! AMEN, brother!

Alt.cellular.sprintpcs added - please don't flame "Jack" for posting to
a.c.spcs in this thread; it's me that added the group, not him.

--
JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.
>>
>>I hope you're not implying that there's *any* carrier that covers the
>>whole US. Doesn't exist and probably never will since there are parts
>>of the US that are almost uninhabited so it'd be a waste of any
>>company's money to try and provide service there.
>
>
> But look at a Cingular map or a Verizon map and compare with the Sprint
> map. Sprint is a spiders web.

Whoops, my bad, I included New Mexico in the list of states that don't have
much Verizon coverage - that's wrong. Albuquerque and most of the rest of
western NM are covered; eastern NM is not covered well if at all.

I see that Louisiana has almost no native Verizon coverage too... and half of
Alabama. What was that about no coverage from *Sprint* on the I-10 between
Mobile and Los Angeles? You don't get much coverage from the carrier
advertising the largest nationwide network, either. (I mean Verizon. Cingular
didn't start advertising the largest network until just a couple weeks ago.)

Touche, Jack. Cingular probably has good coverage in that region as the ILECs
serving it are SBC and BellSouth. I'm betting no one else has any decent amount
of coverage.

--
JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Sat, 18 Dec
2004 20:15:22 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 12:57:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Look at the map. Its a spiders web between the Metro areas.
>>
>> I hope you're not implying that there's *any* carrier that covers the
>> whole US. Doesn't exist and probably never will since there are parts
>> of the US that are almost uninhabited so it'd be a waste of any
>> company's money to try and provide service there.
>
>But look at a Cingular map or a Verizon map and compare with the Sprint
>map. ...

I suggest you take your own advice.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

> And you, "Jack," my dear hypocrite, are the SAME person that keeps on arguing
> that cellular coverage maps aren't accurate. However, when it comes to
> bashing
> your favorite former cellular carrier (Sprint), you conveniently ignore that
> fact. Now you accept the maps as gospel! AMEN, brother!

The maps show how much of a spider web Sprint coverage is, they dont
show the holes in coverage in metropolitan areas.

And calling me names doesn't make Sprint coverage any better, it just
shows your immaturity.

Jack Zwick wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>And you, "Jack," my dear hypocrite, are the SAME person that keeps on arguing
>>that cellular coverage maps aren't accurate. However, when it comes to
>>bashing
>>your favorite former cellular carrier (Sprint), you conveniently ignore that
>>fact. Now you accept the maps as gospel! AMEN, brother!
>
>
> The maps show how much of a spider web Sprint coverage is, they dont
> show the holes in coverage in metropolitan areas.
>
> And calling me names doesn't make Sprint coverage any better, it just
> shows your immaturity.

Hm, we no longer have alt.cellular.verizon or alt.cellular.sprintpcs in the
newsgroup list? What are you trying to hide? (re-added)

You're still a hypocrite. You're the one that keeps on saying coverage maps
can't be trusted. I made a point, and you conveniently ignored it.

--
JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [email protected]
PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED)
Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.

In article <41c0aa83$0$188
[email protected]>, Thomas T.=20
[email protected] says...
> Yes, he is the same troll. He probably sensed a new opportunity with
> the recent changes in the mobile phone industry enough to create
> material to easily troll with.
>=20
Whatever he sensed, I notice he's gone deathly silent on=20
his own "subject" since I pointed out Sprint PCS'=20
profitability last quarter. And their growing user base.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
-+-
**A thing moderately good
is not so good as it ought to be.
Moderation in temper is always a virtue,
but moderation in principle is always a vice.**
-Thomas Paine. The Rights of Man. 1792-

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote:

> D.J. Osborn wrote:
>
> > In the greater Dayton, Ohio area (approximately the 60th largest metro
area)
> > the VZW coverage is far better than the Sprint coverage. It's not
unusual
> > for my son to let his friend use his VZW phone to make a call because
his
> > friend's Sprint phone can't quite get the job done. Clearly, the
> > ''spiderweb" coverage pattern is in effect even where one would think
there
> > was reasonably continuous coverage.
>
> No one is arguing that Sprint has complete coverage everywhere - we all
know
> that's not true. I can also confirm, having a friend who has used both
Sprint
> and Verizon in the Columbus area, that your statement is true for that
area -
> the outlying areas aren't well covered. I'm arguing that the "spiderweb"
isn't
> a spiderweb in many areas.


Your argument is pointless, because the original poster's statement is
*still* substantially correct. The fact that it isn't accurate in every
area--or even in *many* areas--still doesn't mean that it's not
substantially correct.

--
D.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762
dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com