If I buy a 64K sim

If it is a myth it is not an internet myth as that information came from a
Cingular store manager.

Fred

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <B_Lxd.13280$7p.903@lakeread02> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:36:22 -0500,
"Fred"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The 64K card is also supposed to hold more technical information for the
> >phone with the inclusion of the AWS towers.
>
> That is almost certainly an Internet Myth. What it does hold is ENS.
>
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The "Cingular store manager" may well have gotten it from the Internet.

In <vH3yd.15187$7p.8435@lakeread02> on Tue, 21 Dec 2004 20:01:22 -0500, "Fred"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If it is a myth it is not an internet myth as that information came from a
>Cingular store manager.
>
>Fred
>
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In <B_Lxd.13280$7p.903@lakeread02> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:36:22 -0500,
>"Fred"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >The 64K card is also supposed to hold more technical information for the
>> >phone with the inclusion of the AWS towers.
>>
>> That is almost certainly an Internet Myth. What it does hold is ENS.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:06:51 -0600, Jer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Brsmnky007 wrote:
>
>> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
>
>The story is Cingular is starting to use a new network feature called
>Extended Network Selection (ENS) which presumably allows a handset to
>treat both the orange and blue networks as it's "home" network. The
>additional SIM storage is apparently required by the handset to store a
>more elaborate set of parameters needed to cooperate within an
>ENS-compliant network. Again, this is rumoured to allow the handset to
>lock on to an orange tower or a blue tower, whichever offers the better
>signal. Without ENS, an orange handset will only consider an orange
>signal as "home", completely disregarding any blue signal as "home" even
>though it may be better. The ENS customer gains by having a higher
>number of "home" signals to draw from, and Cingular gains by improved
>balancing of network traffic over both orange and blue networks.

Good summary.

>It is
>my own opinion that somewhere down the line, this distinction between
>orange and blue will blur until it disappears altogether, rendering ENS
>moot. How many years for that to happen is a crap shoot at this early
>stage.

I agree.

>What the additional SIM storage will *not* offer additional storage that
>is user accessable, ie. address book entries, media files, messages,
>etc. Apparently this additional storage is usable only by the handset
>firmware, not the user.

Correct.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In <[email protected]> on Mon, 20 Dec 2004 23:06:51 -0600,
Jer
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Brsmnky007 wrote:
> >
> >> What exactly is the benefit of a 64k SIM card?
> >
> >The story is Cingular is starting to use a new network feature called
> >Extended Network Selection (ENS) which presumably allows a handset to
> >treat both the orange and blue networks as it's "home" network. The
> >additional SIM storage is apparently required by the handset to store a
> >more elaborate set of parameters needed to cooperate within an
> >ENS-compliant network. Again, this is rumoured to allow the handset to
> >lock on to an orange tower or a blue tower, whichever offers the better
> >signal. Without ENS, an orange handset will only consider an orange
> >signal as "home", completely disregarding any blue signal as "home" even
> >though it may be better. The ENS customer gains by having a higher
> >number of "home" signals to draw from, and Cingular gains by improved
> >balancing of network traffic over both orange and blue networks.
>
> Good summary.


Passable except the E stands for "Enhanced" not "Extended". But I'm not one
to nit-pick.


>
> >It is
> >my own opinion that somewhere down the line, this distinction between
> >orange and blue will blur until it disappears altogether, rendering ENS
> >moot. How many years for that to happen is a crap shoot at this early
> >stage.
>
> I agree.


That's the plan Stan.


>
> >What the additional SIM storage will *not* offer additional storage that
> >is user accessable, ie. address book entries, media files, messages,
> >etc. Apparently this additional storage is usable only by the handset
> >firmware, not the user.
>
> Correct.

Actually this is incorrect according to CSP. CSP is never wrong.

CSP is the official "answer center" for ALL Cingular employees. Kind of like
Google for all Cingular process', sales info, customer service protocols
Unfortunately not all employees know how to use it.

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SS

I just got a new 64k sim for my Motorola V220... and I don't see any
difference. My house has a strong AT&T signal but I'm not able to lock on
to it ( i know because i had AT&T service from my employer).

Or maybe my phone is not ENS capable.

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> If you are in an area that has:
>
> 1. a Weak Cingular signal and
> 2. A strong (formerly) AT&T Wireless signal
>
> Presumably the 64K sim will have the smarts to give you the best signal,
> rather than always try to stay with the Cingular signal.
>
> So for many folks, there is no need for a 64K sim, for some others, its
> almost a requirement.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I just got a new 64k sim for my Motorola V220... and I don't see any
> difference. My house has a strong AT&T signal but I'm not able to lock on
> to it ( i know because i had AT&T service from my employer).
>
> Or maybe my phone is not ENS capable.
>
> "Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > If you are in an area that has:
> >
> > 1. a Weak Cingular signal and
> > 2. A strong (formerly) AT&T Wireless signal
> >
> > Presumably the 64K sim will have the smarts to give you the best signal,
> > rather than always try to stay with the Cingular signal.
> >
> > So for many folks, there is no need for a 64K sim, for some others, its
> > almost a requirement.

try reading all the Q & A here:

http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html

Much better explained than Navas ever attempted.

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In <[email protected]> on Mon, 10 Jan
2005 11:50:34 GMT, Jack "Chicken Little" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

>try reading all the Q & A here:
>
>http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/492681-1.html

Hmmm. Says "You don't need a 64K SIM". Which refutes your ranting. LOL

>Much better explained than Navas ever attempted.

Like much of what gets posted to the Internet, it's actually pretty rambly,
disorganized, and inaccurate, including the parts about network scanning and
battery life (pure myth), load balancing (ENS is actually about improved call
quality when the Home network has poor signal and the roaming network has
better signal), ATTWS migrations being forced to take ENS handsets and 64K
SIMs (they just have to take a Cingular plan), and how GSM roaming works
(choose the Home network when there is a "usable" signal even if a roaming
network has a better signal).

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"It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]

Yeah, you're definitely correct about information gleemed from the Net. One
has to beware.

I've tried my 64k sim in various phones but so far i don't see any
difference. My phone will not lock on to the AT&T tower. But if I put the
phone under the pillow, or in my pocket then it will jump onto the AT&T
tower and I'll get 5 bars. But otherwise, I only get 1 1/2 bars..... and
the connection is not that great at times.



"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:PrAEd.1114>

Like much of what gets posted to the Internet, it's actually pretty rambly,
> disorganized, and inaccurate, including the parts about network scanning
> and
> battery life (pure myth), load balancing (ENS is actually about improved
> call
> quality when the Home network has poor signal and the roaming network has
> better signal), ATTWS migrations being forced to take ENS handsets and 64K
> SIMs (they just have to take a Cingular plan), and how GSM roaming works
> (choose the Home network when there is a "usable" signal even if a roaming
> network has a better signal).
>
> --
> Best regards,
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
>
> "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
> "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]

That's my experience as well when testing a 64K SIM in a V551. It seems the
vaunted ENS is only good for *manual* Homing on one network or the other by
Cingular techs; i.e., no automatic selection of the better network. You might
want to call Customer Care, ask to be transferred to Tech Support for a call
quality issue, and ask to be "Homed" on "blue" (ATTWS network) rather than
"orange" (Cingular network), although that might work against you in other
locations.

In <[email protected]> on Wed, 12 Jan 2005
08:54:15 GMT, "Richie" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Yeah, you're definitely correct about information gleemed from the Net. One
>has to beware.
>
>I've tried my 64k sim in various phones but so far i don't see any
>difference. My phone will not lock on to the AT&T tower. But if I put the
>phone under the pillow, or in my pocket then it will jump onto the AT&T
>tower and I'll get 5 bars. But otherwise, I only get 1 1/2 bars..... and
>the connection is not that great at times.
>
>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:PrAEd.1114>
>
>Like much of what gets posted to the Internet, it's actually pretty rambly,
>> disorganized, and inaccurate, including the parts about network scanning
>> and
>> battery life (pure myth), load balancing (ENS is actually about improved
>> call
>> quality when the Home network has poor signal and the roaming network has
>> better signal), ATTWS migrations being forced to take ENS handsets and 64K
>> SIMs (they just have to take a Cingular plan), and how GSM roaming works
>> (choose the Home network when there is a "usable" signal even if a roaming
>> network has a better signal).
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>
>>
>> "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
>> "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
>> than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]
>

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> That's my experience as well when testing a 64K SIM in a V551. It seems
the
> vaunted ENS is only good for *manual* Homing on one network or the other
by
> Cingular techs; i.e., no automatic selection of the better network. You
might
> want to call Customer Care, ask to be transferred to Tech Support for a
call
> quality issue, and ask to be "Homed" on "blue" (ATTWS network) rather than
> "orange" (Cingular network), although that might work against you in other
> locations.
>

There's no such thing as "homing" you top-posting moron.

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In <[email protected]> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:41:31 -0600,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> That's my experience as well when testing a 64K SIM in a V551. It seems the
>> vaunted ENS is only good for *manual* Homing on one network or the other by
>> Cingular techs; i.e., no automatic selection of the better network. You might
>> want to call Customer Care, ask to be transferred to Tech Support for a call
>> quality issue, and ask to be "Homed" on "blue" (ATTWS network) rather than
>> "orange" (Cingular network), although that might work against you in other
>> locations.
>
>There's no such thing as "homing"

Actually there is: <http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/>
Apology accepted. ;-)

>you top-posting moron.

Just followed the posting style of the thread.
Would have been rude to change posting style in mid-thread.
You rude person.

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If it not a Cingular 64K probably not...You really dont need one
unless you are roaming. The 64K give more room for IRDB. That is a
roaming database.





On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:49:19 -0600, "bamp" <bampatcenturyteldotnet>
wrote:

>I've called customer twice trying to buy a 64K sim. Both times they didn't
>know what I was talking about (they said). My question is; if I buy a 64K
>sim off of Ebay, can I call Cingular customer service and get it activated?
>
>bamp
>