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  1. #31
    Scott Stephenson
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    Re: Cingular TAKE CHARGE & Diebold scandal !


    "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >
    > In <[email protected]> on 10 Jan 2005
    > 12:09:41 -0800, "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >For any of you out there angered and fed up with the CINGULAR TAKE
    > >CHARGE services of Cingular, which offers free minutes after 9pm and on
    > >weekends, on the accounts valued over $40 per month, but does in no way
    > >give or award or service the free mintues, please contact the Class
    > >Action lawfirm of Lieff Cabraser, they are great at this kind of case
    > >and will easily prove that the free minutes are never received by the
    > >Take Charge clients, even though the customer service computers for the
    > >Take Charge Cingular customers show zero charge for weekend and after
    > >9pm calls -- the outstanding team of investigators of LCHB and their
    > >friends in politics can quickly root out the problem.
    > >
    > >http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
    > >
    > >AND, they would LOVE to hear from you! Do not be shy.
    > >[SNIP]

    >
    > LOL! I'm willing to bet this won't go anywhere. Any takers?!
    >


    I wouldn't take that bet with Debbie's money. I'd hate to be the lawyer who
    has to deal with this bunch of undereducated twentysomething wannabes- they
    throw such tantrums when they are told that they are wrong. Remember- this
    thread was started by someone claiming to be something that wasn't even
    close to the truth- his minions are probably not much better.





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  2. #32
    Halogen8
    Guest

    Re: Cingular TAKE CHARGE & Diebold scandal !

    How funny, I just got done reading John Grishams "The king of torts".

    I think you should read that book first before you go signing up on any
    class action lawsuits.


    "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > For any of you out there angered and fed up with the CINGULAR TAKE
    > CHARGE services of Cingular, which offers free minutes after 9pm and on
    > weekends, on the accounts valued over $40 per month, but does in no way
    > give or award or service the free mintues, please contact the Class
    > Action lawfirm of Lieff Cabraser, they are great at this kind of case
    > and will easily prove that the free minutes are never received by the
    > Take Charge clients, even though the customer service computers for the
    > Take Charge Cingular customers show zero charge for weekend and after
    > 9pm calls -- the outstanding team of investigators of LCHB and their
    > friends in politics can quickly root out the problem.
    >
    > http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
    >
    > AND, they would LOVE to hear from you! Do not be shy.
    >
    > **************
    > DIEBOLD and ES&S FRAUD
    >
    > THANKS JOHN NAVAS!
    >
    > John Navas wrote: "US needs UN election observers to
    > rescue
    > our voters from
    > corruption..."
    >
    >
    > Did you know.... ?????????? DIEBOLD is the Devil !!!!!!!
    >
    > 1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only
    > two companies: Diebold and ES&S.
    >
    > http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold
    >
    >
    > 2. There is no federal agency with regulatory
    > authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.
    >
    > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm
    >
    >
    > http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html
    >
    >
    > 3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president
    > of ES&S are brothers.
    >
    >
    > http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...e_company.html
    >
    > http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html
    >
    >
    > 4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush
    > campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was
    > "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the
    > president next year."
    >
    >
    > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml
    >
    > http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886
    >
    >
    > 5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be
    > chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S
    > machines.
    >
    > http://www.motherjones.com/commentar...03/03_200.html
    >
    > http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...4fitrakis.html
    >
    >
    > 6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected
    > with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership
    > of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.
    >
    >
    > http://www.blackboxvoting.com/module...article&sid=26
    >
    > http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
    >
    > http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php
    >
    >
    >
    > 7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George
    > W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.
    >
    > http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm
    >
    > http://theindependent.com/stories/05...w_hagel27.html
    >
    >
    > 8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer
    > in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.
    >
    > http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html
    >
    > http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html
    >
    >
    > 9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have
    > no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to
    > verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was
    > legitimately put in by voters.
    >
    > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
    >
    > http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041...s/pfindex.html
    >
    > 10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and
    > ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can
    > generate a paper trail.
    >
    > http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
    >
    > http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm
    >
    >
    > 11. Diebold is based in Ohio.
    >
    > http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm
    >
    >
    > 12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as
    > consultants and developers to help write the central compiler
    > computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.
    >
    > http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html
    >
    > http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml
    >
    >
    > 13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General
    > Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had
    > been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff
    > Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely
    > responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in
    > most of the United States.
    >
    >
    > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
    > http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
    >
    > http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
    >
    >
    > 14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of
    > planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
    > sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.
    >
    > http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how
    >
    > http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf
    >
    >
    > 15. None of the international election observers
    > were allowed in the polls in Ohio.
    >
    > http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html
    >
    > http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...oc_elexoh.html
    >
    >
    > 16. California banned the use of Diebold machines
    > because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that
    > the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!
    > (See the movie here:
    > http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)
    >
    > http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
    >
    > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190
    >
    >
    > 17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on
    > unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.
    >
    > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml
    >
    >
    > 18. All -- not some -- butallthe voting machine
    > errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or
    > Republican candidates.
    >
    > http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html
    >
    > http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm
    >
    > http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
    >
    > http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...rticle&sid=950
    >
    > http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm
    >
    >
    > 19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush,
    > is the President's brother.
    >
    > http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/7628725.htm
    >
    > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct29.html
    >
    >
    > 20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again
    > always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and
    > experts are recommending further investigation.
    >
    > http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm
    >
    > http://www.computerworld.com/governm...,97614,00.html
    >
    > http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...thousands.html
    >
    > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
    >
    > http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
    >
    > http://uscountvotes.org/
    >
    >
    > John Navas wrote:
    >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
    >>
    >> In <[email protected]> on 1 Jan

    > 2005
    >> 16:15:39 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >> >Early this week i will go with a prepaid company and never ever use
    >> >Cingular for anything.

    >>
    >> I doubt Cingular will miss you. ;-)
    >> --
    >> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

    >






  3. #33
    Amy Scharzenegger
    Guest

    Re: Cingular TAKE CHARGE & Diebold scandal !

    I do want to join in the fight!!! Against Diebold fixed election
    computers and ATMs and the ripp off of Take Charge Cingular "fake free
    minutes" services.

    Thanks for the lead. Will follow up on it. I have heard of LCHB a
    lot.

    Amy


    Barry Horowitz wrote:
    > Many people are feeling the same.
    >
    > The time to act is now.
    >
    > Contact Lieff Cabraser Hyman LLP today to join the class action

    lawsuit
    > against Customers vs. CINGULAR TAKE CHARGE.
    > http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
    >
    > Debbie Smythe wrote:
    >For any of you out there angered and fed up with the CINGULAR TAKE
    >CHARGE services of Cingular, which offers free minutes after 9pm and

    on weekends, on the accounts valued over $40 per month, but does in no
    >way>give or award or service the free mintues, please contact the

    Class
    >Action lawfirm of Lieff Cabraser, they are great at this kind of case
    >and will easily prove that the free minutes are never received by the
    >Take Charge clients, even though the customer service computers for

    the>Take Charge Cingular customers show zero charge for weekend and
    after
    >9pm calls -- the outstanding team of investigators of LCHB and their
    >friends in politics can quickly root out the problem.
    >
    > http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
    > > AND, they would LOVE to hear from you! Do not be shy.

    >
    > Strongbox wrote:
    >
    > Good luck...I'd love to see a cell phone carrier nailed to the wall,
    > and Cingular/ATT would be a good one.
    >
    > Cell phone company business practices make streetwalkers look honest.
    >
    > Strongbox
    > Jan 10, 1:15 pm show options
    >
    > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500,
    >
    > Harry Krause wrote:
    >
    > > Cell phone company business practices make streetwalkers look

    honest.
    >
    > Yep. At least with a streetwalker you get what you pay for and you

    only
    > pay for what you get <G>......
    >
    > JDa
    >
    > Jan 10, 1:28 pm show options
    > Strongbox wrote:
    >
    > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500,

    >
    > Harry Krause wrote:
    >
    > No that is not quite right, sometime a streetwalker will give you

    more
    > than you bargained for!
    >
    > Jimmy
    >
    > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
    >
    > Ya but at least you don't have to pay extra and sign a new contract

    to
    > get screwed in a way you never even heard of before. You can also use

    what ever equipment you have on have and you don't have to buy it from
    her. Her ugly overages will still look better to you when you are done
    and when it's over it is really over as you don't have to wait for the
    final bill and the lies she will tell you will not have to be explained
    by tech support.
    >
    > J.
    >
    > ===========
    >
    >





  4. #34
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: Cingular TAKE CHARGE & Diebold scandal !


    "Amy Scharzenegger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I do want to join in the fight!!! Against Diebold fixed election
    > computers and ATMs and the ripp off of Take Charge Cingular "fake free
    > minutes" services.
    >


    Funny- they only advertise N&W minutes that don't incur a charge. It looks
    like everything else is priced per minute, as is clearly *****ed out on the
    website. You might need to readjust your hat- the aluminum foil seems to be
    blocking your vision.





  5. #35
    Debbie Smythe
    Guest

    Scott Stephenson is a "prop" aka "PR Operative"

    People who skip all over the usenet and make posts all day and night as
    if they had nothing better to do -- not even nose picking to distract
    them -- and who evidently work for a company or THE COMPANY ... acting
    as if they are impartial and detached ... there is a new word for this
    in the parlance of the internet, a PROP -- that is a PR Operative or PR
    Op.


    THE ELECTION OF 2004 IN USA FOR PREZ WAS FIXED AND FRAUDULENT THANKS TO
    DIEBOLD COMPUTERS!


    Scott Stephenson wrote:
    > "Amy Scharzenegger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...


    > > I do want to join in the fight!!! Against Diebold fixed election
    > > computers and ATMs and the ripp off of Take Charge Cingular "fake

    free
    > > minutes" services.
    > >

    >
    >





  6. #36
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: Scott Stephenson is a "prop" aka "PR Operative"


    "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > People who skip all over the usenet and make posts all day and night as
    > if they had nothing better to do -- not even nose picking to distract
    > them -- and who evidently work for a company or THE COMPANY ... acting
    > as if they are impartial and detached ... there is a new word for this
    > in the parlance of the internet, a PROP -- that is a PR Operative or PR
    > Op.


    And who am I supposed to be working for? I have absolutely no connection
    (at any time) with any of the companies you are whining about. Would that
    put you in an old category- clueless?

    >
    >
    > THE ELECTION OF 2004 IN USA FOR PREZ WAS FIXED AND FRAUDULENT THANKS TO
    > DIEBOLD COMPUTERS!
    >
    >


    Why is that? Was the technology too advanced for those who lost? Are you
    upset because a joystick wasn't provided?





  7. #37
    CHELSEA
    Guest

    Re: Scott Stephenson is a "prop" aka "PR Operative"

    You really are a "prop" are'nt you? A PR Op. An Operative.

    Low paid and ... getting laid?

    By definition "no" cause there is no time left in the day after bending
    over for your employer at the agency all day and all night.

    Maybe you can get a job a Diebold and see how sincere and honest they
    are. It would wake you up and they would not let you piss off on the
    internet all day like you do!

    Chelsea ... who is NOT a "prop," for nobody.

    I love the term "prop" and feel that like little chairs on a stage of a
    theatre for high schoolers, a prop is just a prop.

    And this term fits not only PR toadie op hiding under a rock ... Scott,
    but John Navas as well.

    Thousands of people have emailed me with the same complaint that
    CINGULAR TAKE CHARGE only provides prepaid minutes and that NOT ONE
    person who signed up with them can prove they got any free nighttime
    after 9pm nor free weekend minutes.

    The reason why is that contrary to the boasts and promises of all their
    advertising brochures, about free minutes as if it is a super hip
    prepaid account, THERE NEVER WAS A FREE MINUTE FOR NOBODY IN THE
    HISTORY OF TAKE CHARGE.

    Period, and no "PROP" prepaid PR Op is ever going to change that fact.

    ------

    People who skip all over the usenet and make posts all day and night as
    if they had nothing better to do -- not even nose picking to distract
    them -- and who evidently work for a company or THE COMPANY ... acting
    as if they are impartial and detached ... there is a new word for this
    in the parlance of the internet, a PROP -- that is a PR Operative or PR
    Op.


    THE ELECTION OF 2004 IN USA FOR PREZ WAS FIXED AND FRAUDULENT THANKS TO
    DIEBOLD COMPUTERS!




  8. #38
    Cassandra of the City
    Guest

    Re: Scott Stephenson is a "prop" aka "PR Operative"

    "Prop" fits many usenet disposable hack employees who are like props or
    road kill for the big companies, not just Scott Stephenson or Jon
    Navas.

    Cassie

    "Healthcare Costs for NYC Top
    $600 Million"

    By Stephanie Berger, Columbia University online news services


    Taxpayers and healthcare providers in New York City
    pay an estimated $612 million each year for healthcare
    services for the uninsured and publicly insured, most
    of them low-wage workers and members of their
    families, according to a study released by the Mailman
    School of Public Health. The report describes the
    characteristics and health expenditures of low-wage
    workers in New York City and estimates the healthcare
    bill associated with these workers and members of
    their families. Low-wage workers in New York are
    disproportionately illegal Mexicans or Hispanic, and
    57 percent of Spanish speaking low-wage workers lack
    health insurance [see, Dominica and Washington
    Heights].


    The Mailman School report was conducted and released
    through the Columbia Center for the Health of Urban
    Minorities, which is funded by the National Institutes
    of Health (NIH) National Center on Minority Health and
    Health Disparities.


    Says Sherry Glied, chair of the Mailman School
    Department of Health Policy and Management, and
    principal investigator on the study, "The findings
    indicate that low-wage workers are particularly
    vulnerable to being uninsured. In New York City, there
    are nearly 1.8 million people who are either uninsured
    low-wage workers or members of families that include
    an uninsured low-wage worker." More than 66 percent of
    all uninsured full-time, full-year workers in New York
    City are low-wage workers. [in European democracies
    and Japan, all legal citizens are fully covered by
    national healthcare].


    The study, which Glied co-authored with Mailman
    colleague and technician Bisundev Mahato, points out
    that low-wage workers differ from higher-wage workers
    in many ways. They are younger than other workers, and
    a disproportionate number of them have never married.

    Almost one half are women. The results also confirm
    that low-wage workers in New York City are
    disproportionately drawn from illegal minority groups
    and from the non-citizen population.

    Results of the study also indicate that:

    Job-based coverage for low-wage workers has eroded in
    all races, classes and work categories, falling more
    than 15 percentage points in New York City just since
    the late 1990s.

    More than two thirds of uninsured low-wage workers are
    employed in the retail or service industries or in
    sales and service occupations in other industries, or
    in construction.

    Only 11 percent of low-wage workers obtain health
    insurance from their employers.

    Factors that increase the probability of being a
    low-wage worker, and of being uninsured, also increase
    the probability of being publicly insured.

    "While several existing policy initiatives are
    particularly concerned about getting coverage to
    low-wage workers," says Glied, "these efforts
    unfortunately, have not come close to solving the
    problem of covering this population."




  9. #39
    Scott Stephenson
    Guest

    Re: Scott Stephenson is a "prop" aka "PR Operative"


    "Cassandra of the City" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > "Prop" fits many usenet disposable hack employees who are like props or
    > road kill for the big companies, not just Scott Stephenson or Jon
    > Navas.
    >


    That would explain your knowledge of the term- you are surrounded by them at
    your low paying job every day. On the other hand, I'll do just fine where
    I am and with what I have. I don't find the need to be jealous of other's
    prosperity. Of course, I could be like you and a few others in this thread
    and blame my stupidity and inability to get a real job on the great
    corporate monsters of the world. Not my style.





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