Cingular Sucks!

CORRECTION: I meant "crammed" not "slammed".

http://www.ehow.com/how_15888_protec...f-slammed.html

Most problems with cell phone companies are either a matter of 1) not
getting what you paid for in the agreement, and then 2) paying way too
much on top of it as a big surprise.

This means you were lied to at many levels, especially when you are
condemned to 10 to 30 hours of dealing with a customer service which is
unhelpful and lubricious for fear of losing their job[s] with so many
supervisors listening in to their calls and monitoring them, a form of
facism and the heart of outsourcing.

Class action lawsuits and letters to fed reps and fed agencies is the
one true path to reform and to your swift rebate for your unsolicited
troubles.

We are the NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION. Stand up tall and be a Paul Revere
or a Dolly Madison. Don't be a putz.

barry

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I was ****ed over by Cingular after I purchased their Take Charge
services. And more "evidence" can easily be supplied.

And i am not mincing my words by saying "****ed over". "Screwed" is
not descriptive enough.

If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
morning.

Cingular in no way is 'honoring its terms of service'.

Where do you get such words, from MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE?

Most people who use prepaid cards or chips in their cell phone do not
have time to joke around on the internet usenet groups like you do all
day ... this does not indicate a "revolt" is not brewing -- that few
are posting, as you implied.

A class action lawsuit is soon underway. I will post the name of the
aggressive law firm very soon so you can digest the meaning of this and
so that the few prepaid customers who bother with Usenet can be
informed of where to seek comfort re: Cingular Take Charge skull
duggery.

Yes, you are very welcome.


John Navas wrote:
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on 29 Dec
2004
> 13:57:42 -0800, "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Sir/Madame,
>
> Please refrain from posting the same material over and over -- once
is enough.
>
> >How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without
a
> >credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit
card
> >for you?
>
> I've had several different types of postpaid and prepaid service over
the
> years.
>
> >Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
> >****ing them over?
>
> I've heard a couple of complaints of problems. I yet to see any
evidence of
> anyone being 'f---ed over'. Cingular is obligated to honor its terms
of
> service, and undoubtedly will by working out any problems.
>
> >The catch is, they try to catch little financial
> >wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
> >card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
> >minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than
buying
> >a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after
9pm
> >and FREE WEEKENDS.
>
> Since you think that's a good deal, then I don't see any real
problem, just
> apparent teething problems in the system.
>
> >Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after
9pm
> >and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went
down
> >the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
> >about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
> >are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being
billed
> >for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish.
>
> If it is complete rubbish, then there shouldn't be any issue. If you
need
> help, file a complaint with the BBB.
>
> >I would
> >be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5
weeks
> >from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
> >making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
> >practical and necessary communications.
>
> Then go for it.
>
> >I have asked myself, am i the
> >only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
> >****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is
nearly
> >all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed
like
> >this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
> >customers?
>
> Indeed.
>
> >Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
> >by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?
>
> Get serious.
>
> >Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately
sign
> >up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who
have
> >been gulled and conned in this way?
>
> Whatever floats your boat. Personally I'd put the effort into
getting an
> existing account straightened out.
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Go for it Bryan Adrian!
Strike a legal blow for all of us!
You're an inspiration Bryan.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was ****ed over by Cingular after I purchased their Take Charge
> services. And more "evidence" can easily be supplied.
>
> And i am not mincing my words by saying "****ed over". "Screwed" is
> not descriptive enough.
>
> If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
> a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
> morning.
>
> Cingular in no way is 'honoring its terms of service'.
>
> Where do you get such words, from MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE?
>
> Most people who use prepaid cards or chips in their cell phone do not
> have time to joke around on the internet usenet groups like you do all
> day ... this does not indicate a "revolt" is not brewing -- that few
> are posting, as you implied.
>
> A class action lawsuit is soon underway. I will post the name of the
> aggressive law firm very soon so you can digest the meaning of this and
> so that the few prepaid customers who bother with Usenet can be
> informed of where to seek comfort re: Cingular Take Charge skull
> duggery.
>
> Yes, you are very welcome.
>
>
> John Navas wrote:
>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
>> In <[email protected]> on 29 Dec
> 2004
>> 13:57:42 -0800, "Debbie Smythe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Sir/Madame,
>>
>> Please refrain from posting the same material over and over -- once
> is enough.
>>
>> >How did you get a cell phone, a regular cell phone account, without
> a
>> >credit card? Did a parent or employer or friend use their credit
> card
>> >for you?
>>
>> I've had several different types of postpaid and prepaid service over
> the
>> years.
>>
>> >Have you heard anyone else's misery with CINGULAR Take Charge
>> >****ing them over?
>>
>> I've heard a couple of complaints of problems. I yet to see any
> evidence of
>> anyone being 'f---ed over'. Cingular is obligated to honor its terms
> of
>> service, and undoubtedly will by working out any problems.
>>
>> >The catch is, they try to catch little financial
>> >wimps like me with no credit by promoting this "Use your Visa debit
>> >card or your checking account" and pay by the month, $49.99, for 400
>> >minutes at 12.5 cents per minute [saving you one penny more than
> buying
>> >a prepaid card of $50 from a competitor], PLUS, free nights after
> 9pm
>> >and FREE WEEKENDS.
>>
>> Since you think that's a good deal, then I don't see any real
> problem, just
>> apparent teething problems in the system.
>>
>> >Well, i am paying up the ass and through the nose for nights after
> 9pm
>> >and weekends, they deduct those minutes too, so my 50 bucks went
> down
>> >the tube pretty ****ing fast. I have called their customer service
>> >about 25 times [nearly 20 hours of their **** on the phone] and they
>> >are trained to say that their computers show that i am NOT being
> billed
>> >for the nightly nor weekend calls, which is complete rubbish.
>>
>> If it is complete rubbish, then there shouldn't be any issue. If you
> need
>> help, file a complaint with the BBB.
>>
>> >I would
>> >be better off with just a $25 inserted prepaid chip every 4 or 5
> weeks
>> >from a Home Depot carrier or the like and be careful with each call,
>> >making no chatty calls to friends or relatives at any time, just
>> >practical and necessary communications.
>>
>> Then go for it.
>>
>> >I have asked myself, am i the
>> >only one whose Take Charge account with Cingular was set up in this
>> >****ed up fashion on activation date, by a clumsy clerk, or is
> nearly
>> >all or every customer of Take Charge with Cingular being screwed
> like
>> >this? If they are, why is there no national revolt of dissed
>> >customers?
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> >Is this the way all the misdeeds of USA are being managed,
>> >by handlers who know the public is sheepish and defenseless?
>>
>> Get serious.
>>
>> >Should I kill my Cingular Take Charge account and then immediately
> sign
>> >up for a new one to see if it is only me, and/or a few others, who
> have
>> >been gulled and conned in this way?
>>
>> Whatever floats your boat. Personally I'd put the effort into
> getting an
>> existing account straightened out.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
>> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
>

Thank you. In these times we must stick together.
Bryan

http://bryanadrian_writer.tripod.com/biography.html

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on 1 Jan 2005
16:51:35 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>I was ****ed over by Cingular after I purchased their Take Charge
>services. And more "evidence" can easily be supplied.

No real evidence has been presented.

>If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
>a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
>morning.

I don't care.

>Cingular in no way is 'honoring its terms of service'.

Not true.

>A class action lawsuit is soon underway. I will post the name of the
>aggressive law firm very soon so you can digest the meaning of this and
>so that the few prepaid customers who bother with Usenet can be
>informed of where to seek comfort re: Cingular Take Charge skull
>duggery.

ROTFL!

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

In article <[email protected]>,
John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

> >If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
> >a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
> >morning.
>
> I don't care.

But you care enough to spend time replying to this thread.

Navas, you couldn't shut up if the terrorists were holding a gun to your
head.

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Sun, 02 Jan 2005
06:55:45 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
>> >a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
>> >morning.
>>
>> I don't care.
>
>But you care enough to spend time replying to this thread.

Indeed. My affair, not yours.

>Navas, you couldn't shut up if the terrorists were holding a gun to your
>head.

Elmo (or whoever you really are), you couldn't shut up if you actually had any
clue.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <[email protected]> on 1 Jan 2005
> 16:51:35 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>I was ****ed over by Cingular after I purchased their Take Charge
>>services. And more "evidence" can easily be supplied.
>
> No real evidence has been presented.
>
>>If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
>>a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
>>morning.
>
> I don't care.
>
>>Cingular in no way is 'honoring its terms of service'.
>
> Not true.
>
>>A class action lawsuit is soon underway. I will post the name of the
>>aggressive law firm very soon so you can digest the meaning of this and
>>so that the few prepaid customers who bother with Usenet can be
>>informed of where to seek comfort re: Cingular Take Charge skull
>>duggery.
>
> ROTFL!
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/el...l_phone_plans/

Of the competing GSM service providers,
Cingular/AT&T get better scores for overall
service and network coverage, but still fall short of Verizon.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >If you care to stop posturing and lend a helping hand rather than being
>> >a blow hard, email me and stop me from closing the account on Tuesday
>> >morning.
>>
>> I don't care.
>
> But you care enough to spend time replying to this thread.
>
> Navas, you couldn't shut up if the terrorists were holding a gun to your
> head.

John Navas, must be on Cingular's payroll.

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on Sun, 02 Jan 2005
19:49:33 GMT, "torresD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>John Navas, must be on Cingular's payroll.

Nope.

Ad hominem -- sure sign of nothing substantive to say.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Sounds like a ++ few ++ people didnt do due dilligence when they bought
their Cingular plan and got something that was not what they thought.
Free Nation Wide Long Distance, is not the same as free calling from
anywhere in the Nation.

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sounds like a ++ few ++ people didnt do due dilligence when they bought
> their Cingular plan and got something that was not what they thought.
> Free Nation Wide Long Distance, is not the same as free calling from
> anywhere in the Nation.

Whoa- I'm agreeing with Phil. The earth should stop spinning at any moment.

[POSTED TO alt.cellular.cingular - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

In <[email protected]> on 5 Jan 2005
09:26:04 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>To say that I find this type of treatment unacceptable would be an
>understatement! The time and effort I have been forced to put into
>trying to correct something I'm not even at fault for is ridiculous! I
>have contacted Cingular through their website (email) at least six
>times and called their office several times, only to be put on hold.
>Nothing I have done has helped! They WILL NOT contact me regarding this
>billing dispute!

File a complaint with the BBB. Seriously. And stop posting the same thing
over and over to this newsgroup, which only serves to weaken your case.

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

"Jack Zwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sounds like a ++ few ++ people didnt do due dilligence when they bought
> their Cingular plan and got something that was not what they thought.
> Free Nation Wide Long Distance, is not the same as free calling from
> anywhere in the Nation.

Ha! I still use a rotary dial phone, for $5.85 per month. I had to take it
apart to disconnect the ringer. Its all mine, I don't allow anyone else to
use it. Nyah nyah.

For any of you out there angered and fed up with the CINGULAR TAKE
CHARGE services of Cingular, which offers free minutes after 9pm and on
weekends, on the accounts valued over $40 per month, but does in no way
give or award or service the free mintues, please contact the Class
Action lawfirm of Lieff Cabraser, they are great at this kind of case
and will easily prove that the free minutes are never received by the
Take Charge clients, even though the customer service computers for the
Take Charge Cingular customers show zero charge for weekend and after
9pm calls -- the outstanding team of investigators of LCHB and their
friends in politics can quickly root out the problem.

http://www.lieffcabraser.com/

AND, they would LOVE to hear from you! Do not be shy.

**************
DIEBOLD and ES&S FRAUD

THANKS JOHN NAVAS!

John Navas wrote: "US needs UN election observers to
rescue
our voters from
corruption..."


Did you know.... ?????????? DIEBOLD is the Devil !!!!!!!

1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only
two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory
authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president
of ES&S are brothers.


http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...e_company.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush
campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was
"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the
president next year."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be
chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S
machines.

http://www.motherjones.com/commentar...03/03_200.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...4fitrakis.html


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected
with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership
of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.


http://www.blackboxvoting.com/module...article&sid=26

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php



7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George
W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

http://theindependent.com/stories/05...w_hagel27.html


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer
in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have
no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to
verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was
legitimately put in by voters.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041...s/pfindex.html

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and
ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can
generate a paper trail.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm


12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as
consultants and developers to help write the central compiler
computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml


13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General
Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had
been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff
Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely
responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in
most of the United States.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of
planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


15. None of the international election observers
were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...oc_elexoh.html


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines
because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that
the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!
(See the movie here:
http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)

http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190


17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on
unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml


18. All -- not some -- butallthe voting machine
errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or
Republican candidates.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...rticle&sid=950

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm


19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush,
is the President's brother.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/7628725.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct29.html


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again
always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and
experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...sBushIsOut.htm

http://www.computerworld.com/governm...,97614,00.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...thousands.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/