GSM

I'm wondering if anyone can provide feedback - both positive and
negative - about Cingular's GSM phones and service.

Thanks.

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In <[email protected]> on 31 Dec 2004
09:47:12 -0800, "random" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm wondering if anyone can provide feedback - both positive and
>negative - about Cingular's GSM phones and service.

GSM phones: very good (e.g., Motorola V551)
Coverage: very good in general (including free roaming on ATTWS)
Service: good (but not as good as Verizon)

Note that coverage does vary by area with any carrier.

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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:21:47 GMT, John Navas <[email protected]>
wrote:

>In <[email protected]> on 31 Dec
>2004 09:47:12 -0800, "random" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I'm wondering if anyone can provide feedback - both positive and
>>negative - about Cingular's GSM phones and service.
>
>GSM phones: very good (e.g., Motorola V551)

I agree here. Cingular's GSM phones are great, especially the Nokia 6620.
No real negatives except perhaps their selection wasn't as good as ATTWS was.

Cingular's selection blows away Verizons', and is better than TMobile's
too. Sprint has always had great phones as did ATTWS where they were
seperate from Cingular.

>Coverage: very good in general (including free roaming on ATTWS)

Yes. And this is especially true since (1) Cingular users have access to
ATTWS' GSM850 network and (2) the 64K SIMs/ENS phones that are now available.

I don't nearly envy the Verizon/Sprint users access to AMPS as much as I
used to. In fact, there is hardly a place I go now where I can't get
service but AMPSers can. In fact, even in the middle of the desert of
Southern California I was able to get GSM service where in the past there
was only AMPS.

>Service: good (but not as good as Verizon)

True, but less of an issue (at least in Southern California) now IMHO
since they got ATTWS' GSM850 network.

I mean, if you are a serious data hound, then Verizon's EV-DO blows away
Cingular's EDGE and ATTWS UMTS, but then again 99.9% of cellphone users
don't need such high thoroughput on their cellphones. What the cellphone
users I talk to tell me is what they would like is the 30-50ms latency
like they get with their DSL lines.

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In <[email protected]> on 31 Dec 2004 19:50:51 -0000,
[email protected]er (Italy Anonymous Remailer) wrote:

>I mean, if you are a serious data hound, then Verizon's EV-DO blows away
>Cingular's EDGE and ATTWS UMTS,

I respectfully disagree. Coverage is much more limited than EDGE, which
typically gives me 180+ Kbps, generally sufficient for most purposes.

>but then again 99.9% of cellphone users
>don't need such high thoroughput on their cellphones.

Indeed, it's mostly useful for tethered devices (e.g., notebook).

>What the cellphone
>users I talk to tell me is what they would like is the 30-50ms latency
>like they get with their DSL lines.

Sure, but for most things I don't find it to be all that bad.

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random wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone can provide feedback - both positive and
> negative - about Cingular's GSM phones and service.
>
> Thanks.


Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
me so that I can at least make emergency calls.

Tom

On 1 Jan 2005 08:04:25 -0800, "Big Daddy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
>have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
>me so that I can at least make emergency calls.

Absolutely untrue. If there are other GSM operators that cingular has
a roaming agreement with you can use them. cingular/ATT is not the
only game in town. And just carrying and (sic) old phone with you is
no guarantee either.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:

> >Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
> >have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
> >me so that I can at least make emergency calls.
>
> Absolutely untrue. If there are other GSM operators that cingular has
> a roaming agreement with you can use them.

You're both saying the same thing. The "agreement" towers are by
definition within Cingular's national GSM coverage. Period.

There is no roaming on Cingular Nation GSM. Period. If you can make a
phone call, you're in territory.

In other words, you never have the choice of "I have a signal, but oh,
it's roaming, so that's an extra charge". THAT'S what both of you are
saying.

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
> > >have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
> > >me so that I can at least make emergency calls.
> >
> > Absolutely untrue. If there are other GSM operators that cingular has
> > a roaming agreement with you can use them.
>
> You're both saying the same thing. The "agreement" towers are by
> definition within Cingular's national GSM coverage. Period.
>
> There is no roaming on Cingular Nation GSM. Period. If you can make a
> phone call, you're in territory.
>
> In other words, you never have the choice of "I have a signal, but oh,
> it's roaming, so that's an extra charge". THAT'S what both of you are
> saying.
>

You realize Navass is gonna find some way to try and argue about this don't
you.

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>>>Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
>>>have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
>>>me so that I can at least make emergency calls.
>>
>>Absolutely untrue. If there are other GSM operators that cingular has
>>a roaming agreement with you can use them.
>
>
> You're both saying the same thing. The "agreement" towers are by
> definition within Cingular's national GSM coverage. Period.
>
> There is no roaming on Cingular Nation GSM. Period. If you can make a
> phone call, you're in territory.
>
> In other words, you never have the choice of "I have a signal, but oh,
> it's roaming, so that's an extra charge". THAT'S what both of you are
> saying.

ROAMING: The ability to use a handset off a wireless network not
"owned" by your chosen operator
ROAMING CHARGE: The additional cost to use a wireless network of
another provider.

Cingular allows its GSM customers ROAMING off other network providers
(such as T-Mobile, Suncom, Western Wireless/Cellular One,
Dobson/Cellular One, et al), but when a Cingular GSM Nation plan is
involved, there are no ROAMING CHARGEs.

On 1 Jan 2005 08:04:25 -0800, Big Daddy <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> random wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone can provide feedback - both positive and
>> negative - about Cingular's GSM phones and service.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
> Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
> have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
> me so that I can at least make emergency calls.
>
> Tom
>

I still have my old TDMA/Analog phone from AT&T that I'll keep with me on
trips. Though last year in the California national parks, it didn't have
much better coverage than my Sprint CDMA phone in the parks.

I was surprised last month when I drove through Kansas to Nebraska that my
Sprint phone had more coverage than my GSM phone when digital roaming was
enabled. I guess it was because of the competition in that area with CDMA
carriers (Alltel, US Cellular, Sprint, Verizon). Since T-Mobile didn't
have much coverage there, it was essentially Cingular/AT&T or nothing.


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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:34:17 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>You're both saying the same thing. The "agreement" towers are by
>definition within Cingular's national GSM coverage. Period.
>
>There is no roaming on Cingular Nation GSM. Period. If you can make a
>phone call, you're in territory.

Are you saying that cingular has two types of service and one type
doesn't allow you to use someone else's service? That's very odd.
Neither T-Mobile or AT&T GSM work that way. If there's a roaming
agreement you can use a foreign system. It's always been that way.

>In other words, you never have the choice of "I have a signal, but oh,
>it's roaming, so that's an extra charge". THAT'S what both of you are
>saying.

If your carrier charges extra for roaming yes. Some such as T-Mobile
do not charge roaming or long distance domestically.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:44:00 -0600,
"Shaolin Superfly" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Joseph <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > >Please note that when outside of Cingular's national GSM coverage, you
>> > >have NO SERVICE. They do not roam. I plan to carry and old pnone with
>> > >me so that I can at least make emergency calls.
>> >
>> > Absolutely untrue. If there are other GSM operators that cingular has
>> > a roaming agreement with you can use them.
>>
>> You're both saying the same thing. The "agreement" towers are by
>> definition within Cingular's national GSM coverage. Period.
>>
>> There is no roaming on Cingular Nation GSM. Period. If you can make a
>> phone call, you're in territory.
>>
>> In other words, you never have the choice of "I have a signal, but oh,
>> it's roaming, so that's an extra charge". THAT'S what both of you are
>> saying.
>
>You realize Navass is gonna find some way to try and argue about this don't
>you.

Nope. Sorry to disappoint you.

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