Well put and said Jimmy !!!

Thanks for the lead [whoever that was in thread]. Will follow up on
it. I have heard of LCHB a lot.

Amy

ps: which is more cut throat, Diebold computers Inc or Cingular Take
Charge?


Barry Horowitz wrote:
> Many people are feeling the same.
>
> The time to act is now.
>
> Contact Lieff Cabraser Hyman LLP today to join the class action
lawsuit
> against Customers vs. CINGULAR TAKE CHARGE.
> http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
>
> Debbie Smythe wrote:
>For any of you out there angered and fed up with the CINGULAR TAKE
>CHARGE services of Cingular, which offers free minutes after 9pm and
on weekends, on the accounts valued over $40 per month, but does in no
>way>give or award or service the free mintues, please contact the
Class
>Action lawfirm of Lieff Cabraser, they are great at this kind of case
>and will easily prove that the free minutes are never received by the
>Take Charge clients, even though the customer service computers for
the>Take Charge Cingular customers show zero charge for weekend and
after
>9pm calls -- the outstanding team of investigators of LCHB and their
>friends in politics can quickly root out the problem.
>
> http://www.lieffcabraser.com/
> > AND, they would LOVE to hear from you! Do not be shy.
>
> Strongbox wrote:
>
> Good luck...I'd love to see a cell phone carrier nailed to the wall,
> and Cingular/ATT would be a good one.
>
> Cell phone company business practices make streetwalkers look honest.
>
> Strongbox
> Jan 10, 1:15 pm show options
>
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500,
>
> Harry Krause wrote:
>
> > Cell phone company business practices make streetwalkers look
honest.
>
> Yep. At least with a streetwalker you get what you pay for and you
only
> pay for what you get <G>......
>
> JDa
>
> Jan 10, 1:28 pm show options
> Strongbox wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500,
>
> Harry Krause wrote:
>
> No that is not quite right, sometime a streetwalker will give you
more
> than you bargained for!
>
> Jimmy
>
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:07:46 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:
>
> Ya but at least you don't have to pay extra and sign a new contract
to
> get screwed in a way you never even heard of before. You can also use
what ever equipment you have on have and you don't have to buy it from
her. Her ugly overages will still look better to you when you are done
and when it's over it is really over as you don't have to wait for the
final bill and the lies she will tell you will not have to be explained
by tech support.
>
> J.
>
> ===========
>
>DIEBOLD and ES&S FRAUD


THANKS JOHN NAVAS!


John Navas wrote: "US needs UN election observers to
rescue
our voters from
corruption..."



Did you know.... ?????????? DIEBOLD is the Devil !!!!!!!
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only
two companies: Diebold and ES&S.


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory
authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.


http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president
of ES&S are brothers.


http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...e_company.html


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush
campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was
"committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the
president next year."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml


http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be
chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S
machines.


http://www.motherjones.com/commentar...03/03_200.html


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...4fitrakis.html


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected
with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership
of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.



http://www.blackboxvoting.com/module...article&sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx


http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php


7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George
W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.


http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm


http://theindependent.com/stories/05...w_hagel27.html


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer
in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.


http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html


http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting...804landes.html


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have
no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to
verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was
legitimately put in by voters.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm


http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041...s/pfindex.html


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and
ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can
generate a paper trail.


http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm


http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.


http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm


12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as
consultants and developers to help write the central compiler
computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.


http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html


http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml


13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General
Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had
been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff
Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely
responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in
most of the United States.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of
planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of
sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.


http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how


http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


15. None of the international election observers
were allowed in the polls in Ohio.


http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html


http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...oc_elexoh.html


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines
because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that
the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!
(See the movie here:
http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)


http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190


17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on
unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in632436.shtml


18. All -- not some -- butallthe voting machine
errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or
Republican candidates.


http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html


http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...searchStudiesB...


http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html



http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.ph...ews&file=artic...
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm


19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush,
is the President's brother.


http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/talla...al/7628725.htm


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Oct29.html


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again
always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and
experts are recommending further investigation.


http://www.yuricareport.com/Election...searchStudiesB...


http://www.computerworld.com/governm...t/policy/story...


http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...thousands.html


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/



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