Moto V551: hourly interference with computer speakers?

"Tony Clark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
>> next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every hour,
>> the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
>> or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
>> is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
>> noise happens.
>>
>
> This is not a Motorola software issue. Both my previous Sony Ericsson T68i
> and 226 as well as my current Moto V551 produce buzzing noises when
> anywhere near a speaker system such as the company's conference room
> speaker phone, the radio in my car or my PC speakers. The buzzing will
> always occur just before an incoming call and occasionally at random. I am
> assuming the random occurrences are due to some data transfer from the
> cell tower to the phone. I have heard from others that this is an artifact
> of GSM/GPRS phones.
>
> Cheers
> TC

By Jove, TC, you've got it!! Mine works the same. The phone is transmitting
and the RF is getting into the speakers. Just like a CB (children's band)
radio will do to a PA system.


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That, Jolt Cola and a couple of dexidrine.

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GSM handsets do that. Beep-beep-beep-beeep-beeep------ beeeeep-beeeep,
somewhere around 280 Hz if I guess right.

On 3 Mar 2005 11:20:26 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
>next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every hour,
> the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
>or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
>is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
>noise happens.
>

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"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.

Hi,
fwiw
My old nextel i85 (motorola) would buzz on my computer speakers before
it rang -- and other times-- never monitored the time cycle

My v551 does the same before a ring and intermittently (may be hourly)
Question is is this a motorola problem or does it happen with other phones?

Bad shielding on speakers -- bad shielding on phone
kind like the old days when the vac or electric shaver would make the
B&W tv pic and sound go to hell

Nothing new under the sun-- just reincarnated as a another technical goof up

If this is any comparison ( and I by no means being technical)
Used to get the same kind of thing on my stereo--- cab radio
Phono cartridge was the culprit, try different carts-- grounding schemes
lifted and stared ground to one point
only way I ever fixed that was I moved
RF interference can be hell--- especially when you invest big bucks
in stereo

oops speakers buzzed Time 7:06 PM
Sorry for the rant----Aint technology wonderful

Mark




[email protected] wrote:
> GSM handsets do that. Beep-beep-beep-beeep-beeep------ beeeeep-beeeep,
> somewhere around 280 Hz if I guess right.
>
> On 3 Mar 2005 11:20:26 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
>>next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every hour,
>>the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
>>or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
>>is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
>>noise happens.
>>
>
>
> --
> The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
> "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
> John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.

this is due to the modulation method. Cingular uses GSM and Nextel uses
IDEN, of which both are iterations of TDMA. The buzzing is heard when the
cycle index (time slot) is active in the phone due to an incoming call or a
system request of mobile unit, i.e. system query. basically the system
periodically asks the phone "are you still there" and/or if the carrier is
doing an OTA

RJ


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GSM handsets do that. Beep-beep-beep-beeep-beeep------ beeeeep-beeeep,
> somewhere around 280 Hz if I guess right.
>
> On 3 Mar 2005 11:20:26 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
> >next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every hour,
> > the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
> >or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
> >is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
> >noise happens.
> >
>
> --
> The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
> "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the
exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and
these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or
with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those
whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
> John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.

Mark:

Well, if I may add a story from very early 70's...

An IBM 1620 computer in our high school (Niskayuna Class of '73, btw) had
a
radio on top. Someone realized that when adding or subtracting numbers
the
radio, when "tuned" to the best frequency, would receive a tone. When the
length of the numbers was increased a different tone was emitted.

Believe it or not but he was able to write music basing the sound on
adding
or subtracting numbers of different lengths.

Bob Lally.


"Mark Rosen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:T8K_d.8986$Ue6.2350@trndny04...
> Hi,
> fwiw
> My old nextel i85 (motorola) would buzz on my computer speakers before
> it rang -- and other times-- never monitored the time cycle
>
> My v551 does the same before a ring and intermittently (may be hourly)
> Question is is this a motorola problem or does it happen with other
phones?
>
> Bad shielding on speakers -- bad shielding on phone
> kind like the old days when the vac or electric shaver would make the
> B&W tv pic and sound go to hell
>
> Nothing new under the sun-- just reincarnated as a another technical
goof
up
>
> If this is any comparison ( and I by no means being technical)
> Used to get the same kind of thing on my stereo--- cab radio
> Phono cartridge was the culprit, try different carts-- grounding schemes
> lifted and stared ground to one point
> only way I ever fixed that was I moved
> RF interference can be hell--- especially when you invest big bucks
> in stereo
>
> oops speakers buzzed Time 7:06 PM
> Sorry for the rant----Aint technology wonderful
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > GSM handsets do that. Beep-beep-beep-beeep-beeep------ beeeeep-beeeep,
> > somewhere around 280 Hz if I guess right.
> >
> > On 3 Mar 2005 11:20:26 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
> >>next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every
hour,
> >>the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
> >>or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
> >>is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
> >>noise happens.
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
> > "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the
exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and
these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or
with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those
whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
> > John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.


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And thats why IDENs go thru Batterys faster

sounds like the old ping to me --- stupid Iden phone sends out a ping
even when theres no tower----- wonder if it ever times out--
could be the reason Idens gothru batts--
I had to get a 2500 Mah

But know I have a V551-- and its damn hard to find a bat over 800 Mah
some 3rd party should make a 12-1500mah and a new back--- and save us all

Jesus Saves, Moses Invests, but only Buddha gives dividends
(no offense to any one)
and maybe some day we will be all delivered by properly designed
technology-- not just motorola -- but technology -- not marketing

Camera who needs a stinkin camera- already have a Canon Digital ie--
real digital camera plus all my old nikons
And Please no Ipod phone
You want Wallpaper --- the paint store is on the corner
Ring tones--- just some basics that are adjustable
like how many rings before voice mail
or voice mail notification that rings more than once
(Phones used to have these adjustments before they bacame toys)

Just Bluetooth, Internet and a good Battery ( and Full Blutooth (Data)
not just a gimmick to sell headphones and wire less speakers for you car
a nice medium end phone that works --- without the bull****
Thats all I ask for -- Dont want to spend $500 plus for a damn phone
that will be obsolete faster than my PC
pay for ring tones--- marketing ploy-- and then have the balls to charge
you download them-- like Cing/sprint/veriz. etc arent getting a kick back
end of rant

Mark


RJ wrote:
> this is due to the modulation method. Cingular uses GSM and Nextel uses
> IDEN, of which both are iterations of TDMA. The buzzing is heard when the
> cycle index (time slot) is active in the phone due to an incoming call or a
> system request of mobile unit, i.e. system query. basically the system
> periodically asks the phone "are you still there" and/or if the carrier is
> doing an OTA
>
> RJ
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>GSM handsets do that. Beep-beep-beep-beeep-beeep------ beeeeep-beeeep,
>>somewhere around 280 Hz if I guess right.
>>
>>On 3 Mar 2005 11:20:26 -0800, "Michael3977" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sorry John, your wrong , ever since I got the v551, and I have it
>>>next to the netgear wireless router WGT624, in my office, every hour,
>>>the router will make buzzing noises for about 5 seconds, now wether
>>>or not this is a software glitch, which Moto is NOT going to admit,
>>>is beyond me, But when the phone is not in the office no buzzing
>>>noise happens.
>>>
>>
>>--
>>The TSA is a test. It is only a test......
>>"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the
>
> exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and
> these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or
> with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those
> whom they oppress." -- Frederick Douglass, August 4, 1857.
>
>>John Bartley, K7AAY, PDX OR USA, Opinions mine.
>
>
>

Those also can interfered with car radio too. I have one of those phone it does when close to the car radio. I guess this normal.

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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:05:40
-0500, Dotcom <[email protected]> wrote:

>Those also can interfered with car radio too. I have one of those phone
>it does when close to the car radio. I guess this normal.

Normal with any GSM phone.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:05:40
> -0500, Dotcom <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Those also can interfered with car radio too. I have one of those phone
>>it does when close to the car radio. I guess this normal.
>
> Normal with any GSM phone.
>
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> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

I have noticed that my Boss' Treo 650 doesn't seem to generate the same
level of interference as my Moto V551.

TC

Tony Clark wrote:
nterfered with car radio too. I have one of those phone
>>>it does when close to the car radio. I guess this normal.
>>
>>Normal with any GSM phone.
>>

> I have noticed that my Boss' Treo 650 doesn't seem to generate the same
> level of interference as my Moto V551.

Is it a GSM Treo? If it has the Verizon, Srint or Earthlink brand name
on it, then it's a CDMA Treo. Typically CDMA phones don't emit the same
kind of RF, and interference with other electronics is less noticeable
(though still present, and still detectable if you know what to look for).

It will be interesting to see what happens with UMTS phones. As they
will be utilizing WCDMA, their RFI characteristics might be less
intrusive, too.


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> Is it a GSM Treo? If it has the Verizon, Srint or Earthlink brand name
> on it, then it's a CDMA Treo. Typically CDMA phones don't emit the same
> kind of RF, and interference with other electronics is less noticeable
> (though still present, and still detectable if you know what to look for).

What do you look for to notice CDMA2000 interference?

TH

"Isaiah Beard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Tony Clark wrote:
> nterfered with car radio too. I have one of those phone
>>>>it does when close to the car radio. I guess this normal.
>>>
>>>Normal with any GSM phone.
>>>
>
>> I have noticed that my Boss' Treo 650 doesn't seem to generate the same
>> level of interference as my Moto V551.
>
> Is it a GSM Treo? If it has the Verizon, Srint or Earthlink brand name on
> it, then it's a CDMA Treo. Typically CDMA phones don't emit the same kind
> of RF, and interference with other electronics is less noticeable (though
> still present, and still detectable if you know what to look for).
>
> It will be interesting to see what happens with UMTS phones. As they will
> be utilizing WCDMA, their RFI characteristics might be less intrusive,
> too.
>
>
> --

Nope, it's a Cingular Treo. We have a Polycom speaker phone in our
conference room and it practically howls when someone's GSM/GPRS phone is
about to ring, except for the Treo. Not sure why.

Cheers
TC

Hello All:

I just stumbled across your site, looking for information about the interference I experience with both my V551 & my T720. As I have a need to IC record some of my calls, all I get from the playback is a Doppler-like squeal. Not with my 2.4Ghz GE wall phone, just the Moto cells. As well, I too experience the anomaly of hourly Morse code like dit-dit-dit dit-dit-dit dit-dit-dit. What concerns me in addition to the inconvenience, is just how much of this wavelength is passing through my body. But I digress...

I had no problem with my telephone recordings before, using the T720. Now, both devices are giving me grief. I believe, though, that I may have a possible solution...

I just received my V551 recently, having adjusted and renewed my contract with my service provider. As I had no use for the Internet on my cell, I chose previously to have this portion of the service cancelled. This is the period in time when I was successful in my above-mentioned task of recording. Now, I have the Internet back on my cell - and now I get the anomaly. I am going to again cancel my Internet access on the cell, and report back with any success I may have.

There seems to be at least two different sources of transmissions from these cells that cause at least two different types of interference. The phone, without Internet, will still cause anything that has a speaker to freak out. But, your conversations - the interference within same - seems drastically reduced if not eliminated when using a Moto WITHOUT Internet services.

I'm new to this, but I learn very fast, and I believe this to be a solution worth checking out. I do hope that my first posting to your forum will be of some use to you.

Thank you all for having me aboard,

MadMan


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