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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/23635.html>

    A circulating email online has mentioned a directory of cell phone
    numbers will be published for all consumers to have access to,
    opening the door for solicitors to call you using up precious minutes
    on your plan.

    However, it's a hoax.

    No cell phone directory is being printed. It is under federal
    violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones. However
    what is happening is Alltel, AT&T, Cingular, Nextel, Sprint, and
    T-Mobile have hired Qsent, to create a wireless 411 service providing
    directory assistance.

    Consumers must opt in to be included, so if they don't tell their
    carrier, they won't be. Phone numbers may also be removed at any
    time.

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    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



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  2. #2
    John Navas
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:11:16 GMT,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    ><http://www.mobiledia.com/news/23635.html>
    >
    > A circulating email online has mentioned a directory of cell phone
    > numbers will be published for all consumers to have access to,
    > opening the door for solicitors to call you using up precious minutes
    > on your plan.
    >
    > However, it's a hoax.
    >
    > No cell phone directory is being printed. It is under federal
    > violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones. However
    > what is happening is Alltel, AT&T, Cingular, Nextel, Sprint, and
    > T-Mobile have hired Qsent, to create a wireless 411 service providing
    > directory assistance.
    >
    > Consumers must opt in to be included, so if they don't tell their
    > carrier, they won't be. Phone numbers may also be removed at any
    > time.


    "Sprint Backs Off Wireless 411 Directory"
    <http://www.wirelessweek.com/index.asp?layout=document&doc_id=1340002972&verticalID=34&vertical=Business+and+Finance>

    Sprint has decided to put the brakes on offering wireless directory
    assistance services, at least for the remainder of 2005. The carrier
    says burdensome legislative requirements led to its decision.

    "Misinformation about carriers' plans for a wireless directory has
    led to recent state legislation that places unnecessary operational
    and financial burdens on carriers, for what was intended to be a
    value-added opt-in service for customers," Sprint spokesman Scott
    Stoffel tells Wireless Week.

    California, for instance, has enacted legislation that requires
    carriers to get physical written consent to publish wireless phone
    numbers in a directory. Stoffel says typically carriers can get
    consent orally or electronically.

    There also have been discussions at the federal level, says Stoffel.
    In November, Representatives Edward Markey, D-Mass., and Joseph
    Pitts, R- Pa., introduced the Wireless 411 Privacy Act, which
    basically calls for some limits to be put on a wireless directory
    assistance list, including an opt-in feature; an opt-out feature; and
    a no-fees-for-unlisted-numbers feature.

    ...

    In June 2004, Verizon Wireless said it would take a "pro-consumer"
    stance and refused to participate in a wireless directory, saying it
    would not provide wireless phone numbers of its customers to
    directory publishers.

    [MORE]

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    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  3. #3
    Jafo
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    As viewed from alt.cellular.verizon, Harry Krause wrote:

    >There's no reason to believe anything a cell service provider claims.


    And what reason do we have to believe *you*?

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    Jafo



  4. #4
    (Pete Cresswell)
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    Per John Navas:
    > Stoffel says typically carriers can get
    > consent orally or electronically.


    Or claim they have....
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    PeteCresswell



  5. #5
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    It wasn't a claim he was making, therefore you don't need a reason to
    believe him. Most people, like on here, believe what just 'everyone' else
    believes. The popular vote (even when it's wrong) is believed most. We can't
    have people thinking on their own now, can we?

    "Jafo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]...
    > As viewed from alt.cellular.verizon, Harry Krause wrote:
    >
    > >There's no reason to believe anything a cell service provider claims.

    >
    > And what reason do we have to believe *you*?
    >
    > --
    > Jafo






  6. #6
    Pete Stephenson
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > California, for instance, has enacted legislation that requires
    > carriers to get physical written consent to publish wireless phone
    > numbers in a directory. Stoffel says typically carriers can get
    > consent orally or electronically.


    Really? They seem to be perfectly willing to accept my monthly payment
    physically.

    Banks seem perfectly able to send me my monthly statement on paper, as
    well as allowing me to express my "privacy preferences" (hardly any
    privacy provided, even when one "opts-out" of all the options) in a
    postage-paid return envelope.

    I fail to see how this is a problem.

    --
    Pete Stephenson
    HeyPete.com



  7. #7
    Real Estate Agent
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"


    "John Navas" <
    It is under federal
    > violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.


    It's still a good idea to put your cell phone on the Do Not Call
    list--especially if you advertise it on a web site or business card.





  8. #8
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Real Estate Agent" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "John Navas" <
    > It is under federal
    > > violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.

    >
    > It's still a good idea to put your cell phone on the Do Not Call
    > list--especially if you advertise it on a web site or business card.


    Like there;'s never been a violation of that.



  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Wed, 19 Jan
    2005 21:19:01 GMT, Jack "FUDMEISTER" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Real Estate Agent" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "John Navas" <
    >> It is under federal
    >> > violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.

    >>
    >> It's still a good idea to put your cell phone on the Do Not Call
    >> list--especially if you advertise it on a web site or business card.

    >
    >Like there;'s never been a violation of that.


    Any actual evidence of that, or just your usual FUD? (I'm thinking usual FUD,
    but hope springs eternal.)

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    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

    "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
    "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
    than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]



  10. #10
    Steve Sobol
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    John Navas wrote:
    > Any actual evidence of that, or just your usual FUD? (I'm thinking usual FUD,
    > but hope springs eternal.)


    There are some. Google for "Diana Mey" and you should be able to find her DNC
    lawsuit against one of the big telcos. i think it was AT&T.



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  11. #11
    John Navas
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:10:47 -0800, Steve
    Sobol <[email protected]> wrote:

    >John Navas wrote:


    >> Any actual evidence of that, or just your usual FUD? (I'm thinking usual FUD,
    >> but hope springs eternal.)

    >
    >There are some. Google for "Diana Mey" and you should be able to find her DNC
    >lawsuit against one of the big telcos. i think it was AT&T.


    Wild goose chase, which is why I generally don't bother with vague claims.
    The company was actually Sears, and it was over do not call *requests*, not
    the National DNC Registry. <http://www.junkbusters.com/nr21.html>:

    In December Mrs Mey first learned through the Internet that Federal
    regulations prohibit persistent telemarketing after a resident tells
    the company to stop calling. From the web site Junkbusters.com she
    printed out Junkbusters's Anti-Telemarketing Script, which includes
    an instruction to place the phone number on the company's "Do Not
    Call" list. ``After a few months of using the script, most of the
    calls stopped,'' said Mrs Mey. But one company, American Home
    Improvements Products Inc. (AHIP) of Monroeville, PA, kept on pushing
    vinyl siding and other products from Sears Home Central. ``I thought
    that they would comply with the law,'' said Mrs Mey. ``But they just
    kept on calling even after I told them not to.'' When one of
    telemarketers who called admitted that the Meys' number was already
    on AHIP's Do-Not-Call list, Mrs Mey decided to start documenting the
    incidents. She recorded some of the calls, which is legal in her
    state.

    [MORE]

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    Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>



  12. #12
    Thomas M. Goethe
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    "Real Estate Agent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "John Navas" <
    > It is under federal
    >> violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.

    >


    Tell that to the four or five people who have made unsolicited sales
    calls to our cell phones. They weren't even apologetic when informed of the
    law. I suspect that they might have been from offshore, but that doesn't
    make them less annoying.


    --
    Thomas M. Goethe





  13. #13
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    In message <[email protected]> John Navas
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > No cell phone directory is being printed. It is under federal
    > violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.


    Why do people keep relating these two? Whether a directory is printed
    or not doesn't have anything to do with whether or not it is illegal to
    make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.

    Telemarketers will just ignore the law and call anyway? Sure, maybe --
    But why do they need a directory, if they're going to break the law they
    may as well go all the way and just wardial to find active numbers.


    --
    I'm sorry sir, you can't park your van on the diving board.



  14. #14
    DevilsPGD
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    In message <[email protected]> "Thomas M. Goethe"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Real Estate Agent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> "John Navas" <
    >> It is under federal
    >>> violation to make unsolicited sales calls to cell phones.

    >>

    >
    > Tell that to the four or five people who have made unsolicited sales
    >calls to our cell phones. They weren't even apologetic when informed of the
    >law. I suspect that they might have been from offshore, but that doesn't
    >make them less annoying.


    What did you do about it?


    --
    "The only British idiom I know is that fag means cigarette."
    "Well then tell this cigarette to shut up"



  15. #15
    (Pete Cresswell)
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    Re: "Telemarketers Calling Cell Phone Is Hoax"

    Per Jack Zwick:
    >Like there;'s never been a violation of that.


    I reported one violation to the Penna office that handles that stuff.

    Over six months later I was dumbfounded to receive a check for twenty-some
    dollars from that office as my share of the damages collected by the state from
    the offender.
    --
    PeteCresswell



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