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  1. #1
    John Navas
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    <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/23308.html>

    Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:11 pm

    AT&T is planning to announce deals to offer mobile phone service
    using Sprint's cell service. With an abundance of spectrum space,
    Sprint had mentioned earlier this year that it would work with AT&T
    to offer service to BUSINESS consumers. [emphasis added]

    Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    Cingular after the merger.

    [MORE]

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  2. #2
    John Phillips
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"



    On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18 January
    2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:

    > Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    > Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    > Cingular after the merger.


    Why would Cingular allow that to happen?

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  3. #3
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:

    > <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/23308.html>
    >
    > Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:11 pm
    >
    > AT&T is planning to announce deals to offer mobile phone service
    > using Sprint's cell service. With an abundance of spectrum space,
    > Sprint had mentioned earlier this year that it would work with AT&T
    > to offer service to BUSINESS consumers. [emphasis added]
    >
    > Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    > Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    > Cingular after the merger.
    >
    > [MORE]


    This was announced Nine (9) months ago.

    Here's a URL from May, 2004; but I guess its news to Navas, who violates
    USENET etiquette by widely cross-posting:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004May18.html



  4. #4
    BruceR
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    I've heard about that too. While Cingular might not be pleased, unless
    they bought the ATT Wireless name and/or a non-compete clause they may
    have no recourse. Other ATT units that weren't related to ATTWS also
    might have the right to market cell services even if Cingular bought the
    ATTWS name. It what they call a "sticky wicket!" Oftentimes a long
    distance company will sell off it's subscriber base for cash and then go
    out and build it up again and sell it again.

    From:John Phillips
    [email protected]

    > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18
    > January 2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:
    >
    >> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    >> Cingular after the merger.

    >
    > Why would Cingular allow that to happen?
    >
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    > Man loves little and often, woman much and rarely.






  5. #5
    JW
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"


    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I've heard about that too. While Cingular might not be pleased, unless
    > they bought the ATT Wireless name and/or a non-compete clause they may
    > have no recourse. Other ATT units that weren't related to ATTWS also
    > might have the right to market cell services even if Cingular bought the
    > ATTWS name. It what they call a "sticky wicket!" Oftentimes a long
    > distance company will sell off it's subscriber base for cash and then go
    > out and build it up again and sell it again.
    >
    > From:John Phillips
    > [email protected]
    >
    > > On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18
    > > January 2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:
    > >
    > >> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    > >> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    > >> Cingular after the merger.

    > >
    > > Why would Cingular allow that to happen?
    > >
    > > --
    > > Man loves little and often, woman much and rarely.

    >

    It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing this. It
    just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company AT&T that is doing
    this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T Wireless name that is.

    JW





  6. #6
    BruceR
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    Actually, the "parent" company wasn't a parent. ATT spun off ATTWS as a
    fully autonomous company. They could just us the ATT name alone or call
    it ATT Mobile or whatever.

    From:JW
    [email protected]

    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> I've heard about that too. While Cingular might not be pleased,
    >> unless they bought the ATT Wireless name and/or a non-compete clause
    >> they may have no recourse. Other ATT units that weren't related to
    >> ATTWS also might have the right to market cell services even if
    >> Cingular bought the ATTWS name. It what they call a "sticky
    >> wicket!" Oftentimes a long distance company will sell off it's
    >> subscriber base for cash and then go out and build it up again and
    >> sell it again.
    >>
    >> From:John Phillips
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18
    >>> January 2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >>>> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    >>>> Cingular after the merger.
    >>>
    >>> Why would Cingular allow that to happen?
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Man loves little and often, woman much and rarely.

    >>

    > It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing
    > this. It just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company
    > AT&T that is doing this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T
    > Wireless name that is.
    >
    > JW






  7. #7
    Isaiah Beard
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    John Phillips wrote:

    >>Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    >> Cingular after the merger.



    > Why would Cingular allow that to happen?


    Why wouldn't it? Cingular does not own the AT&T trademark, AT&T does.
    AT&T has simply been licensing the rights to use the associated rbrand
    to what was AT&T wireless as a courtesy to the company that was spun off
    from AT&T a few years back.

    Now that this entity has been bought out, the rights terminate, and AT&T
    will have the sole right to license the name or use it as it pleases,
    not Cingular.



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  8. #8
    Jack Zwick
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    In article <[email protected]>, "JW" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing this. It
    > just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company AT&T that is doing
    > this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T Wireless name that is.


    Buy back, nothing. They automatically regain the use of the name, 6
    months after the merger of October 23 when Cingular loses the right to
    use the name AT&T, but I still see all these stores that say AT&T
    Wireless.



  9. #9
    John Navas
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 17 Jan
    2005 22:36:27 GMT, Jack "CHICKEN LITTLE" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, "JW" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing this. It
    >> just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company AT&T that is doing
    >> this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T Wireless name that is.

    >
    >Buy back, nothing. They automatically regain the use of the name, 6
    >months after the merger of October 23 when Cingular loses the right to
    >use the name AT&T, but I still see all these stores that say AT&T
    >Wireless.


    Which matters only to you. Get a life.

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    "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
    "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
    than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]



  10. #10
    John Navas
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    [POSTED TO alt.cellular.attws - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <[email protected]> on Mon, 17 Jan
    2005 21:26:40 GMT, Jack "FUDMEISTER" Zwick <[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>,
    > John Navas <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> <http://www.mobiledia.com/news/23308.html>
    >>
    >> Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:11 pm
    >>
    >> AT&T is planning to announce deals to offer mobile phone service
    >> using Sprint's cell service. With an abundance of spectrum space,
    >> Sprint had mentioned earlier this year that it would work with AT&T
    >> to offer service to BUSINESS consumers. [emphasis added]
    >>
    >> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    >> Cingular after the merger.
    >>
    >> [MORE]

    >
    >This was announced Nine (9) months ago.


    Nope.

    >Here's a URL from May, 2004; but I guess its news to Navas,


    Not the same thing.

    >who violates
    >USENET etiquette by widely cross-posting:


    Nope.

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    Best regards,
    John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/>

    "A little learning is a dangerous thing." [Alexander Pope]
    "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant,
    than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." [Mark Twain]



  11. #11
    Stuart Friedman
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    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    There are going to be a ton of confused folks out there.
    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Actually, the "parent" company wasn't a parent. ATT spun off ATTWS as a
    > fully autonomous company. They could just us the ATT name alone or call it
    > ATT Mobile or whatever.
    >
    > From:JW
    > [email protected]
    >
    >> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]
    >>> I've heard about that too. While Cingular might not be pleased,
    >>> unless they bought the ATT Wireless name and/or a non-compete clause
    >>> they may have no recourse. Other ATT units that weren't related to
    >>> ATTWS also might have the right to market cell services even if
    >>> Cingular bought the ATTWS name. It what they call a "sticky
    >>> wicket!" Oftentimes a long distance company will sell off it's
    >>> subscriber base for cash and then go out and build it up again and
    >>> sell it again.
    >>>
    >>> From:John Phillips
    >>> [email protected]
    >>>
    >>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18
    >>>> January 2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >>>>> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned by
    >>>>> Cingular after the merger.
    >>>>
    >>>> Why would Cingular allow that to happen?
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Man loves little and often, woman much and rarely.
    >>>

    >> It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing
    >> this. It just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company
    >> AT&T that is doing this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T
    >> Wireless name that is.
    >>
    >> JW

    >
    >






  12. #12
    Jack Zwick
    Guest

    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Stuart Friedman" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > There are going to be a ton of confused folks out there.



    Especially when they try to use their AT&T phone,
    and are told they HAVE TO buy a new one.



  13. #13
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    There already are. That's what they're counting on. ;o))

    From:Stuart Friedman
    [email protected]

    > There are going to be a ton of confused folks out there.
    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >> Actually, the "parent" company wasn't a parent. ATT spun off ATTWS
    >> as a fully autonomous company. They could just us the ATT name alone
    >> or call it ATT Mobile or whatever.
    >>
    >> From:JW
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]
    >>>> I've heard about that too. While Cingular might not be pleased,
    >>>> unless they bought the ATT Wireless name and/or a non-compete
    >>>> clause they may have no recourse. Other ATT units that weren't
    >>>> related to ATTWS also might have the right to market cell services
    >>>> even if Cingular bought the ATTWS name. It what they call a
    >>>> "sticky wicket!" Oftentimes a long distance company will sell off
    >>>> it's subscriber base for cash and then go out and build it up
    >>>> again and sell it again.
    >>>>
    >>>> From:John Phillips
    >>>> [email protected]
    >>>>
    >>>>> On Mon, 17 Jan 2005, at 17:45:30 [GMT GMT] (04:45:30 Tuesday, 18
    >>>>> January 2005 where I live) "John Navas" wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Starting in the first half of 2005, AT&T will begin marketing
    >>>>>> Sprint's service after it wins back rights to its name, owned
    >>>>>> by Cingular after the merger.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Why would Cingular allow that to happen?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Man loves little and often, woman much and rarely.
    >>>>
    >>> It the articule does not say it was AT&T wireless that was doing
    >>> this. It just mentions AT&T. So it is probably the parent company
    >>> AT&T that is doing this. Once they buy back the rights to the AT&T
    >>> Wireless name that is.
    >>>
    >>> JW






  14. #14
    Isaiah Beard
    Guest

    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    BruceR wrote:
    > There already are. That's what they're counting on. ;o))


    I should hope not. Unfortunately, AT&T wireless may as well be FAC
    Wireless ("Find Another Carrier") with the way that company tarnished
    that brand.

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  15. #15
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: "Sprint Sells Service To AT&T Mobile"

    Among the masses the AT&T brand still means a lot and is very powerful.
    While those who frequent this board probably know better, people just
    really have this inate trust in AT&T that harkens back to the days of
    the Bell System and what that stood for. The fact is that AT&T has
    ALWAYS been sleazy all the way back to Al Bell's theft of Elisha Gray's
    original patent on the telephone. They did build a helluva good network
    in its day though.

    From:Isaiah Beard
    [email protected]

    > BruceR wrote:
    >> There already are. That's what they're counting on. ;o))

    >
    > I should hope not. Unfortunately, AT&T wireless may as well be FAC
    > Wireless ("Find Another Carrier") with the way that company tarnished
    > that brand.
    >
    > --
    > E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
    > Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.






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