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- 01-22-2005, 03:17 PM #16Jym LGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
They were both wrong. Simple as that...
There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight. Even
if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say NYC,
or system time in Bellevue, WA?
If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically power
the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
forwarding number.
If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never try
to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.
Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system midnight
or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told" you...
That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
Technical Support Engineer.
"BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased PP
> SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls but you
> can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you can always
> provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
>
> From:Stanley Reynolds
> [email protected]
>
> >> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn on
> >> your phone in the foreign country they send everything there till
> >> midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone (they
> >> didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
> >
> > Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
> > your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
> > installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
> > put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
> > you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
> > what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
> > recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
> > place but why risk it ?
>
>
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- 01-22-2005, 03:41 PM #17Stanley ReynoldsGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
"Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
>
> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight. Even
> if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say NYC,
> or system time in Bellevue, WA?
All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay is
dependant on the time and date of the call.
>
> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically
power
> the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
> settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
> automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
> forwarding number.
In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system works
the way it should ?
>
> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never
try
> to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.
>
> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
midnight
> or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told" you...
>
> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
> Technical Support Engineer.
It must be true ;-)
I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't put
it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
with your phone and money on my next trip :-)
<snip>
- 01-22-2005, 07:37 PM #18Jym LGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
"Stanley Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > They were both wrong. Simple as that...
> If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
> >
> > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
Even
> > if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say
NYC,
> > or system time in Bellevue, WA?
>
> All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay
is
> dependant on the time and date of the call.
The time reference had nothing to do with "time stamp" for billing...
Referenced to the "until midnight" comment alledged to have been made by teh
customer care rep... which again, regardless of time reference was
incorrect...
> > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically
> power
> > the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
> > settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
> > automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
> > forwarding number.
>
> In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system
works
> the way it should ?
Well, yes... But, the previous comments about "midnight" et al, were made
generally, as to how the system "works", which was incorrect, so again my
statement was made generally...
> >
> > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never
> try
> > to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.
> >
> > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
> midnight
> > or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told"
you...
> >
> > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
> > Technical Support Engineer.
>
> It must be true ;-)
Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question, or
address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I will
trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...
> I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't
put
> it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
> something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
> with your phone and money on my next trip :-)
Well, yes regarding removing SIM is true... But, even better, if you dont
want to get charged, leave the device home in first place, in very secure
locked location...
My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
reasons...
- 01-22-2005, 08:26 PM #19Stanley ReynoldsGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
"Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Stanley Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > They were both wrong. Simple as that...
> > If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
> > >
> > > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
> Even
> > > if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say
> NYC,
> > > or system time in Bellevue, WA?
> >
> > All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay
> is
> > dependant on the time and date of the call.
>
> The time reference had nothing to do with "time stamp" for billing...
> Referenced to the "until midnight" comment alledged to have been made by
teh
> customer care rep... which again, regardless of time reference was
> incorrect...
>
Could be incorrect but we all make mistakes just not sure who talked to the
correct person at T-mobile.
Bruce talked to two different people and did get a bill. You talked to
someone else and got a different answer guess if we take a poll of all the
people who should know we may get closer to how it should work but then it
may work different in different countries, one thing is for sure it doesn't
always work as it should.
> > > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically
> > power
> > > the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to
two
> > > settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
> > > automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
> > > forwarding number.
> >
> > In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system
> works
> > the way it should ?
>
> Well, yes... But, the previous comments about "midnight" et al, were made
> generally, as to how the system "works", which was incorrect, so again my
> statement was made generally...
>
> > >
> > > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
never
> > try
> > > to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network.
Period.
> > >
> > > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
> > midnight
> > > or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told"
> you...
> > >
> > > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
TMobile
> > > Technical Support Engineer.
> >
> > It must be true ;-)
>
> Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question, or
> address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I will
> trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...
It must be true ;-)
>
>
> > I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't
> put
> > it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
> > something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
> > with your phone and money on my next trip :-)
>
> Well, yes regarding removing SIM is true... But, even better, if you dont
> want to get charged, leave the device home in first place, in very secure
> locked location...
So if you agree with me what was I wrong about ?
The OP wished to use his unlocked T-mobile international with prepaid sims
and not pay high roaming fees to T-mobile.
There is no reason to leave the phone at home unless you can not resist
putting the t-mobile sim in the phone while out of the country. Even then if
someone else is paying the bill maybe you care about the cost of roaming.
The prepaid sim will have a local number which maybe good for someone who
doesn't want to pay for a international call to reach you across town.
>
> My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
> unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
> reasons...
>
Next salary review you can point out the money you saved the company using
prepaid sims and offer to write it up as a guide for your company's other
travelers. I had a budy that said "let the bosses take the loses" but he
is looking for work now.
- 01-22-2005, 09:50 PM #20BruceRGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong -
they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as to
why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned off? To
provide a little more detail, this happened to me last summer in Asia
and again this winter in Central America. Both times we were on a
cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would turn on my phone
to check for VM.
On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases, later
in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there was billing
for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent minute, ONLY on
the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on days that I did not
turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
From:Jym L
[email protected]
> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
>
> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
> Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area
> of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
>
> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
> physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
> sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
> unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the calls
> immediately to the designated forwarding number.
>
> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
> never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
> network. Period.
>
> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
> midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
> "told" you...
>
> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
> TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
>
>
> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased
>> PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls
>> but you can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you
>> can always provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
>>
>> From:Stanley Reynolds
>> [email protected]
>>
>>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn
>>>> on your phone in the foreign country they send everything there
>>>> till midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone
>>>> (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
>>>
>>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
>>> your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
>>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
>>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
>>> you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
>>> what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
>>> recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
>>> place but why risk it ?
- 01-22-2005, 09:58 PM #21Jym LGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
> Could be incorrect but we all make mistakes just not sure who talked to
the
> correct person at T-mobile.
> Bruce talked to two different people and did get a bill. You talked to
> someone else and got a different answer guess if we take a poll of all the
> people who should know we may get closer to how it should work but then it
> may work different in different countries, one thing is for sure it
doesn't
> always work as it should.
I have a call in to my friend, will see and post what he responds, if I
can...
> > Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question,
or
> > address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I
will
> > trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...
>
> It must be true ;-)
I KNOW my friend, and I KNOW his overall reputation.
> The OP wished to use his unlocked T-mobile international with prepaid sims
> and not pay high roaming fees to T-mobile.
Yes. However, it then headed off into "generalizations"
> There is no reason to leave the phone at home unless you can not resist
> putting the t-mobile sim in the phone while out of the country. Even then
if
> someone else is paying the bill maybe you care about the cost of roaming.
> The prepaid sim will have a local number which maybe good for someone who
> doesn't want to pay for a international call to reach you across town.
Having explored this option, it depends on many factors... It primarily
depends on how much you expect to need your phone while you are roaming, and
depends on whom is calling...
For example, if you want it priamrily to stay in touch with your home base
in US (personal or business), this shifts your contact information to a
number that must be noted in files so that folks can reach you... It shifts
any costs (in addition to the Prepaid SIM) to the folks in the States who
need to get in touch with you. So it then becomes matter of how bad folks
need to get in touch with you...
> > My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
> > unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
> > reasons...
> >
> Next salary review you can point out the money you saved the company using
> prepaid sims and offer to write it up as a guide for your company's other
> travelers. I had a budy that said "let the bosses take the loses" but he
> is looking for work now.
Considering that my company had looked at that, and the extra costs involved
including purchase, extra time to figure out what number I am using now to
get in touch with me, are more prohibitive then paying international roaming
charges.
And just for the record, I do very well on my "salary reviews"
- 01-23-2005, 12:25 AM #22steveGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network to
network.
In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
<[email protected]> wrote:
> OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong -
> they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as to
> why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned off? To
> provide a little more detail, this happened to me last summer in Asia
> and again this winter in Central America. Both times we were on a
> cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would turn on my phone
> to check for VM.
> On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
> turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases, later
> in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there was billing
> for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent minute, ONLY on
> the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on days that I did not
> turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
>
>
>
> From:Jym L
> [email protected]
>
> > They were both wrong. Simple as that...
> >
> > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
> > Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area
> > of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
> >
> > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
> > physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
> > sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
> > unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the calls
> > immediately to the designated forwarding number.
> >
> > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
> > never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
> > network. Period.
> >
> > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
> > midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
> > "told" you...
> >
> > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
> > TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
> >
> >
> > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased
> >> PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls
> >> but you can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you
> >> can always provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
> >>
> >> From:Stanley Reynolds
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn
> >>>> on your phone in the foreign country they send everything there
> >>>> till midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone
> >>>> (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
> >>>
> >>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
> >>> your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
> >>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
> >>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
> >>> you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
> >>> what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
> >>> recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
> >>> place but why risk it ?
>
>
- 01-23-2005, 12:36 AM #23BruceRGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
That fits with what the TMo reps explained except they seem to think
that midnight (somewhere) is the expiration point. So, is there a way
to force a proper deregistration? That would solve the porblem of the
billing issues.
From:steve
[email protected]p
> The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
> Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network
> to network.
>
>
>
> In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong
>> - they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as
>> to why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned
>> off? To provide a little more detail, this happened to me last
>> summer in Asia and again this winter in Central America. Both times
>> we were on a cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would
>> turn on my phone to check for VM.
>> On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
>> turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases,
>> later in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there
>> was billing for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent
>> minute, ONLY on the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on
>> days that I did not turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
>>
>>
>>
>> From:Jym L
>> [email protected]
>>
>>> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
>>>
>>> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with
>>> midnight. Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in
>>> home area of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
>>>
>>> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
>>> physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
>>> sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
>>> unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the
>>> calls immediately to the designated forwarding number.
>>>
>>> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
>>> never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
>>> network. Period.
>>>
>>> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
>>> midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
>>> "told" you...
>>>
>>> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
>>> TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
>>>
>>>
>>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally
>>>> purchased PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or
>>>> incoming calls but you can check your VM regularly and return
>>>> calls. Of course you can always provide the foreign # to whoever
>>>> needs it.
>>>>
>>>> From:Stanley Reynolds
>>>> [email protected]
>>>>
>>>>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you
>>>>>> turn on your phone in the foreign country they send everything
>>>>>> there till midnight without regard as whether you turned off
>>>>>> your phone (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
>>>>>
>>>>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn
>>>>> on your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
>>>>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
>>>>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not
>>>>> bill you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In
>>>>> other words what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be
>>>>> just bad luck to recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your
>>>>> phone in the wrong place but why risk it ?
- 01-23-2005, 12:57 AM #24steveGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
I suppose you could activate unconditional forwarding. The
deregistration bit was just a guess.
It doesn't seem worth the trouble, really.
s
In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
<[email protected]> wrote:
> That fits with what the TMo reps explained except they seem to think
> that midnight (somewhere) is the expiration point. So, is there a way
> to force a proper deregistration? That would solve the porblem of the
> billing issues.
>
> From:steve
> [email protected]p
>
> > The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
> > Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network
> > to network.
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong
> >> - they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as
> >> to why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned
> >> off? To provide a little more detail, this happened to me last
> >> summer in Asia and again this winter in Central America. Both times
> >> we were on a cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would
> >> turn on my phone to check for VM.
> >> On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
> >> turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases,
> >> later in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there
> >> was billing for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent
> >> minute, ONLY on the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on
> >> days that I did not turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:Jym L
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >>> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
> >>>
> >>> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with
> >>> midnight. Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in
> >>> home area of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
> >>>
> >>> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
> >>> physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
> >>> sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
> >>> unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the
> >>> calls immediately to the designated forwarding number.
> >>>
> >>> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
> >>> never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
> >>> network. Period.
> >>>
> >>> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
> >>> midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
> >>> "told" you...
> >>>
> >>> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
> >>> TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally
> >>>> purchased PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or
> >>>> incoming calls but you can check your VM regularly and return
> >>>> calls. Of course you can always provide the foreign # to whoever
> >>>> needs it.
> >>>>
> >>>> From:Stanley Reynolds
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>>
> >>>>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you
> >>>>>> turn on your phone in the foreign country they send everything
> >>>>>> there till midnight without regard as whether you turned off
> >>>>>> your phone (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn
> >>>>> on your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
> >>>>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
> >>>>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not
> >>>>> bill you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In
> >>>>> other words what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be
> >>>>> just bad luck to recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your
> >>>>> phone in the wrong place but why risk it ?
>
>
- 01-24-2005, 09:09 PM #25Andy M - Tampa BayGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
"BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased PP
> SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls but you can
> check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you can always provide
> the foreign # to whoever needs it.
>
I've been to the UK 5 times and Kenya once in the last 2 years. I took my SE
T300 (unlocked, of course) and sometimes had my US T-Mo SIM in the handset.
No charge. Not once. Never received an SMS, never sent one, no voicemail
notifications received. FYI, the last trip was end of Sept 2004. In the UK,
I used a BTCellenet/O2 SIM (PAYG/pre-paid) and did not get any SMS/Vmail
from T-Mo (of course i shouldn't). And as Bruce has mentioned, always gave
my foreign SIM number to family, close friends and the boss. The SIM is the
brain, the handset the body; you need both to make a call, unless it is 911.
- 02-03-2005, 07:27 AM #26Stuart FriedmanGuest
Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..
I think the dumb rep thought that we was talking about using a prepaid
CALLINGCARD for the international leg of a call where the local leg was
placed with a roaming T-Mobile phone.
Of course, this theory would have made his entire point of the call (e.g.
unlocking the phone) meaningless.
Stu
"Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 20 Jan 2005 06:41:35 -0800, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I have t-mobile service. I am travelling to Asia and i want to use my
>>GSM phone there with local prepaid card.
>>I called t-mobile for unlocked code, they said they will give me in 48
>>hours.. that's good, BUT they also told me when i use prepaid card in
>>Asia, i will also be using my airtime minutes!!!! IS THAT
>>TRUE?????????????
>
> That's absolutely positively false! Using another SIM you will have
> nothing to do with T-Mobile.
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