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  1. #16
    Jym L
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    They were both wrong. Simple as that...

    There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight. Even
    if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say NYC,
    or system time in Bellevue, WA?

    If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically power
    the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
    settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
    automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
    forwarding number.

    If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never try
    to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.

    Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system midnight
    or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told" you...

    That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
    Technical Support Engineer.


    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased PP
    > SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls but you
    > can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you can always
    > provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
    >
    > From:Stanley Reynolds
    > [email protected]
    >
    > >> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn on
    > >> your phone in the foreign country they send everything there till
    > >> midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone (they
    > >> didn't specify WHO's midnight though).

    > >
    > > Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
    > > your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
    > > installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
    > > put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
    > > you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
    > > what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
    > > recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
    > > place but why risk it ?

    >
    >






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  2. #17
    Stanley Reynolds
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..


    "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > They were both wrong. Simple as that...

    If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
    >
    > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight. Even
    > if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say NYC,
    > or system time in Bellevue, WA?


    All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay is
    dependant on the time and date of the call.

    >
    > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically

    power
    > the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
    > settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
    > automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
    > forwarding number.


    In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system works
    the way it should ?

    >
    > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never

    try
    > to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.
    >
    > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system

    midnight
    > or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told" you...
    >
    > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
    > Technical Support Engineer.


    It must be true ;-)

    I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't put
    it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
    something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
    with your phone and money on my next trip :-)


    <snip>






  3. #18
    Jym L
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..


    "Stanley Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > They were both wrong. Simple as that...

    > If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
    > >
    > > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.

    Even
    > > if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say

    NYC,
    > > or system time in Bellevue, WA?

    >
    > All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay

    is
    > dependant on the time and date of the call.


    The time reference had nothing to do with "time stamp" for billing...
    Referenced to the "until midnight" comment alledged to have been made by teh
    customer care rep... which again, regardless of time reference was
    incorrect...

    > > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically

    > power
    > > the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to two
    > > settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
    > > automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
    > > forwarding number.

    >
    > In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system

    works
    > the way it should ?


    Well, yes... But, the previous comments about "midnight" et al, were made
    generally, as to how the system "works", which was incorrect, so again my
    statement was made generally...

    > >
    > > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find, never

    > try
    > > to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network. Period.
    > >
    > > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system

    > midnight
    > > or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told"

    you...
    > >
    > > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a TMobile
    > > Technical Support Engineer.

    >
    > It must be true ;-)


    Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question, or
    address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I will
    trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...


    > I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't

    put
    > it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
    > something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
    > with your phone and money on my next trip :-)


    Well, yes regarding removing SIM is true... But, even better, if you dont
    want to get charged, leave the device home in first place, in very secure
    locked location...

    My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
    unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
    reasons...





  4. #19
    Stanley Reynolds
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..


    "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Stanley Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Jym L" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > They were both wrong. Simple as that...

    > > If I'am one of the both what I'am I wrong about ?
    > > >
    > > > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.

    > Even
    > > > if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area of say

    > NYC,
    > > > or system time in Bellevue, WA?

    > >
    > > All my charges are stamped with a time as far as billing goes what I pay

    > is
    > > dependant on the time and date of the call.

    >
    > The time reference had nothing to do with "time stamp" for billing...
    > Referenced to the "until midnight" comment alledged to have been made by

    teh
    > customer care rep... which again, regardless of time reference was
    > incorrect...
    >

    Could be incorrect but we all make mistakes just not sure who talked to the
    correct person at T-mobile.
    Bruce talked to two different people and did get a bill. You talked to
    someone else and got a different answer guess if we take a poll of all the
    people who should know we may get closer to how it should work but then it
    may work different in different countries, one thing is for sure it doesn't
    always work as it should.

    > > > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you physically

    > > power
    > > > the handset off, a flag is set in the system that sets the system to

    two
    > > > settings, one of which is "handset unreachable" and the system will
    > > > automatically route all of the calls immediately to the designated
    > > > forwarding number.

    > >
    > > In a perfect world this is true but what makes you think every system

    > works
    > > the way it should ?

    >
    > Well, yes... But, the previous comments about "midnight" et al, were made
    > generally, as to how the system "works", which was incorrect, so again my
    > statement was made generally...
    >
    > > >
    > > > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,

    never
    > > try
    > > > to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home network.

    Period.
    > > >
    > > > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system

    > > midnight
    > > > or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors "told"

    > you...
    > > >
    > > > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a

    TMobile
    > > > Technical Support Engineer.

    > >
    > > It must be true ;-)

    >
    > Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question, or
    > address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I will
    > trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...


    It must be true ;-)

    >
    >
    > > I still think if you remove the t-mobile sim before you leave and don't

    > put
    > > it back in till you get back then you will not be billed. If you know
    > > something else as eazy to understand please let us know. Be glad to test
    > > with your phone and money on my next trip :-)

    >
    > Well, yes regarding removing SIM is true... But, even better, if you dont
    > want to get charged, leave the device home in first place, in very secure
    > locked location...


    So if you agree with me what was I wrong about ?

    The OP wished to use his unlocked T-mobile international with prepaid sims
    and not pay high roaming fees to T-mobile.
    There is no reason to leave the phone at home unless you can not resist
    putting the t-mobile sim in the phone while out of the country. Even then if
    someone else is paying the bill maybe you care about the cost of roaming.
    The prepaid sim will have a local number which maybe good for someone who
    doesn't want to pay for a international call to reach you across town.

    >
    > My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
    > unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
    > reasons...
    >

    Next salary review you can point out the money you saved the company using
    prepaid sims and offer to write it up as a guide for your company's other
    travelers. I had a budy that said "let the bosses take the loses" but he
    is looking for work now.





  5. #20
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong -
    they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as to
    why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned off? To
    provide a little more detail, this happened to me last summer in Asia
    and again this winter in Central America. Both times we were on a
    cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would turn on my phone
    to check for VM.
    On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
    turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases, later
    in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there was billing
    for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent minute, ONLY on
    the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on days that I did not
    turn the phone on. So what's causing that?



    From:Jym L
    [email protected]

    > They were both wrong. Simple as that...
    >
    > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
    > Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area
    > of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
    >
    > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
    > physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
    > sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
    > unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the calls
    > immediately to the designated forwarding number.
    >
    > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
    > never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
    > network. Period.
    >
    > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
    > midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
    > "told" you...
    >
    > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
    > TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
    >
    >
    > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased
    >> PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls
    >> but you can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you
    >> can always provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
    >>
    >> From:Stanley Reynolds
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn
    >>>> on your phone in the foreign country they send everything there
    >>>> till midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone
    >>>> (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
    >>>
    >>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
    >>> your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
    >>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
    >>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
    >>> you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
    >>> what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
    >>> recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
    >>> place but why risk it ?






  6. #21
    Jym L
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    > Could be incorrect but we all make mistakes just not sure who talked to
    the
    > correct person at T-mobile.


    > Bruce talked to two different people and did get a bill. You talked to
    > someone else and got a different answer guess if we take a poll of all the
    > people who should know we may get closer to how it should work but then it
    > may work different in different countries, one thing is for sure it

    doesn't
    > always work as it should.


    I have a call in to my friend, will see and post what he responds, if I
    can...

    > > Well, put it this way... If I pick up my phone and ask them a question,

    or
    > > address a problem... They have never steered me wrong before... So I

    will
    > > trust their statements long before any usenet "expert"...

    >
    > It must be true ;-)


    I KNOW my friend, and I KNOW his overall reputation.


    > The OP wished to use his unlocked T-mobile international with prepaid sims
    > and not pay high roaming fees to T-mobile.


    Yes. However, it then headed off into "generalizations"

    > There is no reason to leave the phone at home unless you can not resist
    > putting the t-mobile sim in the phone while out of the country. Even then

    if
    > someone else is paying the bill maybe you care about the cost of roaming.
    > The prepaid sim will have a local number which maybe good for someone who
    > doesn't want to pay for a international call to reach you across town.


    Having explored this option, it depends on many factors... It primarily
    depends on how much you expect to need your phone while you are roaming, and
    depends on whom is calling...

    For example, if you want it priamrily to stay in touch with your home base
    in US (personal or business), this shifts your contact information to a
    number that must be noted in files so that folks can reach you... It shifts
    any costs (in addition to the Prepaid SIM) to the folks in the States who
    need to get in touch with you. So it then becomes matter of how bad folks
    need to get in touch with you...

    > > My employer pays my phone bill whenever I roam... My SIM isnt involved,
    > > unless I want it to... And I do use it from time to time for other
    > > reasons...
    > >

    > Next salary review you can point out the money you saved the company using
    > prepaid sims and offer to write it up as a guide for your company's other
    > travelers. I had a budy that said "let the bosses take the loses" but he
    > is looking for work now.


    Considering that my company had looked at that, and the extra costs involved
    including purchase, extra time to figure out what number I am using now to
    get in touch with me, are more prohibitive then paying international roaming
    charges.

    And just for the record, I do very well on my "salary reviews"





  7. #22
    steve
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
    Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network to
    network.



    In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong -
    > they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as to
    > why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned off? To
    > provide a little more detail, this happened to me last summer in Asia
    > and again this winter in Central America. Both times we were on a
    > cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would turn on my phone
    > to check for VM.
    > On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
    > turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases, later
    > in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there was billing
    > for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent minute, ONLY on
    > the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on days that I did not
    > turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
    >
    >
    >
    > From:Jym L
    > [email protected]
    >
    > > They were both wrong. Simple as that...
    > >
    > > There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with midnight.
    > > Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in home area
    > > of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
    > >
    > > If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
    > > physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
    > > sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
    > > unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the calls
    > > immediately to the designated forwarding number.
    > >
    > > If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
    > > never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
    > > network. Period.
    > >
    > > Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
    > > midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
    > > "told" you...
    > >
    > > That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
    > > TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
    > >
    > >
    > > "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased
    > >> PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls
    > >> but you can check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you
    > >> can always provide the foreign # to whoever needs it.
    > >>
    > >> From:Stanley Reynolds
    > >> [email protected]
    > >>
    > >>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you turn
    > >>>> on your phone in the foreign country they send everything there
    > >>>> till midnight without regard as whether you turned off your phone
    > >>>> (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
    > >>>
    > >>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn on
    > >>> your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
    > >>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
    > >>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not bill
    > >>> you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In other words
    > >>> what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be just bad luck to
    > >>> recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your phone in the wrong
    > >>> place but why risk it ?

    >
    >




  8. #23
    BruceR
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    That fits with what the TMo reps explained except they seem to think
    that midnight (somewhere) is the expiration point. So, is there a way
    to force a proper deregistration? That would solve the porblem of the
    billing issues.

    From:steve
    [email protected]p

    > The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
    > Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network
    > to network.
    >
    >
    >
    > In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong
    >> - they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as
    >> to why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned
    >> off? To provide a little more detail, this happened to me last
    >> summer in Asia and again this winter in Central America. Both times
    >> we were on a cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would
    >> turn on my phone to check for VM.
    >> On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
    >> turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases,
    >> later in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there
    >> was billing for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent
    >> minute, ONLY on the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on
    >> days that I did not turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> From:Jym L
    >> [email protected]
    >>
    >>> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
    >>>
    >>> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with
    >>> midnight. Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in
    >>> home area of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
    >>>
    >>> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
    >>> physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
    >>> sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
    >>> unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the
    >>> calls immediately to the designated forwarding number.
    >>>
    >>> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
    >>> never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
    >>> network. Period.
    >>>
    >>> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
    >>> midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
    >>> "told" you...
    >>>
    >>> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
    >>> TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally
    >>>> purchased PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or
    >>>> incoming calls but you can check your VM regularly and return
    >>>> calls. Of course you can always provide the foreign # to whoever
    >>>> needs it.
    >>>>
    >>>> From:Stanley Reynolds
    >>>> [email protected]
    >>>>
    >>>>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you
    >>>>>> turn on your phone in the foreign country they send everything
    >>>>>> there till midnight without regard as whether you turned off
    >>>>>> your phone (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn
    >>>>> on your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
    >>>>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
    >>>>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not
    >>>>> bill you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In
    >>>>> other words what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be
    >>>>> just bad luck to recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your
    >>>>> phone in the wrong place but why risk it ?






  9. #24
    steve
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    I suppose you could activate unconditional forwarding. The
    deregistration bit was just a guess.

    It doesn't seem worth the trouble, really.

    s


    In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > That fits with what the TMo reps explained except they seem to think
    > that midnight (somewhere) is the expiration point. So, is there a way
    > to force a proper deregistration? That would solve the porblem of the
    > billing issues.
    >
    > From:steve
    > [email protected]p
    >
    > > The phone registers on a tower and doesn't deregister properly.
    > > Eventually the registration expires. This likely varies from network
    > > to network.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > In article <[email protected]>, BruceR
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> OK, I can certainly appreciate that the reps I spoke to may be wrong
    > >> - they usually are. So does anyone here have another explanation as
    > >> to why I would see thoses charges even when the phone was turned
    > >> off? To provide a little more detail, this happened to me last
    > >> summer in Asia and again this winter in Central America. Both times
    > >> we were on a cruise and upon arrival in port in the morning I would
    > >> turn on my phone to check for VM.
    > >> On each cruise I did that in two or three ports and then immediately
    > >> turned off the phone and put it back in the safe. In all cases,
    > >> later in the day when the phone was off and in a steel safe, there
    > >> was billing for incoming & outgoing calls in the same or subsequent
    > >> minute, ONLY on the days that I checked VM. No calls were billed on
    > >> days that I did not turn the phone on. So what's causing that?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> From:Jym L
    > >> [email protected]
    > >>
    > >>> They were both wrong. Simple as that...
    > >>>
    > >>> There is NOTHING in the system that has anything to do with
    > >>> midnight. Even if, would that be midnight in Bucharest, midnight in
    > >>> home area of say NYC, or system time in Bellevue, WA?
    > >>>
    > >>> If your handset or device is registered at anytime, and you
    > >>> physically power the handset off, a flag is set in the system that
    > >>> sets the system to two settings, one of which is "handset
    > >>> unreachable" and the system will automatically route all of the
    > >>> calls immediately to the designated forwarding number.
    > >>>
    > >>> If that flag is set in the system, it will never even try to find,
    > >>> never try to ring your handset, and never leave the T-Mobile home
    > >>> network. Period.
    > >>>
    > >>> Again, it has nothing to do with time zone, local midnight, system
    > >>> midnight or any such hooey... No matter how many reps or supervisors
    > >>> "told" you...
    > >>>
    > >>> That is from GSM system technical theory, and was confirmed by a
    > >>> TMobile Technical Support Engineer.
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>> "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>> news:[email protected]...
    > >>>> Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally
    > >>>> purchased PP SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or
    > >>>> incoming calls but you can check your VM regularly and return
    > >>>> calls. Of course you can always provide the foreign # to whoever
    > >>>> needs it.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> From:Stanley Reynolds
    > >>>> [email protected]
    > >>>>
    > >>>>>> have heard it from two people there. They claim that once you
    > >>>>>> turn on your phone in the foreign country they send everything
    > >>>>>> there till midnight without regard as whether you turned off
    > >>>>>> your phone (they didn't specify WHO's midnight though).
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Just so we don't confuse the OP or anyone else when you say "turn
    > >>>>> on your phone" you mean turn on your phone with the t-mobile sim
    > >>>>> installed. If you remove the sim before you leave the US and don't
    > >>>>> put it back in the phone till you return then t-mobile will not
    > >>>>> bill you, even if you use a prepaid sim in the same phone. In
    > >>>>> other words what is billed is the sim not the phone. It may be
    > >>>>> just bad luck to recieve a roaming charge for turnning on your
    > >>>>> phone in the wrong place but why risk it ?

    >
    >




  10. #25
    Andy M - Tampa Bay
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Yes, exactly. No TMo SIM = No TMo charges. Using a locally purchased PP
    > SIM is the way to go. You won't get your SMS or incoming calls but you can
    > check your VM regularly and return calls. Of course you can always provide
    > the foreign # to whoever needs it.
    >


    I've been to the UK 5 times and Kenya once in the last 2 years. I took my SE
    T300 (unlocked, of course) and sometimes had my US T-Mo SIM in the handset.
    No charge. Not once. Never received an SMS, never sent one, no voicemail
    notifications received. FYI, the last trip was end of Sept 2004. In the UK,
    I used a BTCellenet/O2 SIM (PAYG/pre-paid) and did not get any SMS/Vmail
    from T-Mo (of course i shouldn't). And as Bruce has mentioned, always gave
    my foreign SIM number to family, close friends and the boss. The SIM is the
    brain, the handset the body; you need both to make a call, unless it is 911.





  11. #26
    Stuart Friedman
    Guest

    Re: Using T-moible's Unlocked phone internationally..

    I think the dumb rep thought that we was talking about using a prepaid
    CALLINGCARD for the international leg of a call where the local leg was
    placed with a roaming T-Mobile phone.

    Of course, this theory would have made his entire point of the call (e.g.
    unlocking the phone) meaningless.

    Stu

    "Joseph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 20 Jan 2005 06:41:35 -0800, "Sam" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I have t-mobile service. I am travelling to Asia and i want to use my
    >>GSM phone there with local prepaid card.
    >>I called t-mobile for unlocked code, they said they will give me in 48
    >>hours.. that's good, BUT they also told me when i use prepaid card in
    >>Asia, i will also be using my airtime minutes!!!! IS THAT
    >>TRUE?????????????

    >
    > That's absolutely positively false! Using another SIM you will have
    > nothing to do with T-Mobile.
    >
    >
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